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D.M.N.
Renault shift focus to 2008 preparations

By Jonathan Noble Monday, August 20th 2007, 11:03 GMT

World champions Renault have decided to shift their focus to preparing for 2008 as they bid to recover the form they lost this season.

The Enstone-based team have failed to finish on the podium this year and look set to lose out to BMW Sauber in the fight for third place in the constructors' championship, behind Ferrari and McLaren.

And although the team are not completely writing off this year's campaign, technical director Bob Bell has confirmed that work at their factory is now focusing on 2008 rather than driving forward developments for this year.

"We will have some minor aerodynamic upgrades in Turkey, and a new aero package in Monza adapted to the very low drag set-up we require there," said Bell. "We will also be working hard to extract more performance at the track from our most recent developments.

"Back at the factory, though, the moment has come to focus our energies on 2008. We have always said that our problems this year would not compromise next year's programme, and that remains the case."

Bell has hinted that the team are pursuing some new concepts for the 2008 car, having finally got to the bottom of why their R27 fell short of expectations.

"Our design and development resources are already focusing intently on 2008," he said. "We began work on the car early, and our approach has been quite different to recent years.

"First and foremost, we had to be certain that our development tools were working correctly. Once this was confirmed, we began putting a lot of energy into the design of the new car.

"The project is on time, and we have been exploring some very interesting new development paths."


Just looking at this, Renault have quite frankly done even worse this year than last year! The "new development path" obviously took them down the wrong path!
otoelpiloto
well, don't think so, maybe their first steps were on the wrong direction, but from montmelo on they've moved forward and still are, a new improvement is expected in car performance for valencia, and it's fair to say that in alonso's hands the car looked even stronger than bmw these last races
undersquare
From what scarbs was saying, the engine is costing them maybe 0.3/lap.

If Carlos Ghosn hadn't mothballed the engine development facility, they'd be up with BMW wouldn't they?

But I think they lost too much design talent after 05/06 to be right at the front.
HoldenRT
If design talent = French rubber, then yes.
yr
Originally posted by otoelpiloto
well, don't think so, maybe their first steps were on the wrong direction, but from montmelo on they've moved forward and still are, a new improvement is expected in car performance for valencia, and it's fair to say that in alonso's hands the car looked even stronger than bmw these last races


But it is rather a case of BMW going backwards lately than Renault going forward whic makes Renault looking better at the moment. If you remember, BMW was only a fraction slower than two leading teams early in the season, now they seem to be quite a bit behind.
otoelpiloto
Originally posted by yr


But it is rather a case of BMW going backwards lately than Renault going forward whic makes Renault looking better at the moment. If you remember, BMW was only a fraction slower than two leading teams early in the season, now they seem to be quite a bit behind.


I don't see the difference has increased between the 2 top dogs and bmw, it remains basically the same, I rather believe it's been reduced by average teams which are clearly improving, case of toyota and trulli and glock performances and renault
yr
Originally posted by otoelpiloto


I don't see the difference has increased between the 2 top dogs and bmw, it remains basically the same, I rather believe it's been reduced by average teams which are clearly improving, case of toyota and trulli and glock performances and renault


It seems that guys who work in BMW doesn´t seem to think so:

"BMW motorsport boss Mario Theissen said the German squad were unsure about the reasons for their lack of pace at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Neither Robert Kubica nor teammate Nick Heidfeld could make an impression in the race, despite the Pole having started from fourth position.

Kubica finished down in eighth, while Heidfeld, starting from 16th, wound up 10th.

Theissen said the team will have to analyse the race to find out why they were so slow.

"We were completely off the pace during the race," said Theissen. "Neither driver was able to do the lap times we expected after the sessions on Friday and Saturday. It was the same on both tyre compounds.

"The reason for that is currently not clear, but we shall analyse everything."

Kubica welcomed the point scored, but admitted the race had been hard.

"This was a difficult race. We were very slow and I was struggling with the overall grip of the car. I had massive oversteer and could not really push. I was trying hard to keep the car on the track. Anyway, one point is better than nothing."

After their poor showing, BMW Sauber lost second place to McLaren in the standings."
otoelpiloto
Originally posted by yr


It seems that guys who work in BMW doesn´t seem to think so:

"BMW motorsport boss Mario Theissen said the German squad were unsure about the reasons for their lack of pace at the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Neither Robert Kubica nor teammate Nick Heidfeld could make an impression in the race, despite the Pole having started from fourth position.

Kubica finished down in eighth, while Heidfeld, starting from 16th, wound up 10th.

Theissen said the team will have to analyse the race to find out why they were so slow.

"We were completely off the pace during the race," said Theissen. "Neither driver was able to do the lap times we expected after the sessions on Friday and Saturday. It was the same on both tyre compounds.

"The reason for that is currently not clear, but we shall analyse everything."

Kubica welcomed the point scored, but admitted the race had been hard.

"This was a difficult race. We were very slow and I was struggling with the overall grip of the car. I had massive oversteer and could not really push. I was trying hard to keep the car on the track. Anyway, one point is better than nothing."

After their poor showing, BMW Sauber lost second place to McLaren in the standings."


and? all teams have bad races
undersquare
Originally posted by HoldenRT
If design talent = French rubber, then yes.


lol.gif Several Renault guys were poached though, weren't they, after the successes? I remember in first testing for the 05 season Jense was quoted saying how fast the Renaults looked in the corners. I don't follow Renault that closely but I think there was a bit of an A team there at the time, then they didn't have the money to keep it together.
papa
Originally posted by undersquare


lol.gif Several Renault guys were poached though, weren't they, after the successes? I remember in first testing for the 05 season Jense was quoted saying how fast the Renaults looked in the corners. I don't follow Renault that closely but I think there was a bit of an A team there at the time, then they didn't have the money to keep it together.


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and plus what You wrote about engine explains current Renault situation
MikeTekRacing
Originally posted by otoelpiloto
well, don't think so, maybe their first steps were on the wrong direction, but from montmelo on they've moved forward and still are, a new improvement is expected in car performance for valencia, and it's fair to say that in alonso's hands the car looked even stronger than bmw these last races

yeah, they are improving but that is quite easy when you first race like sh*t.
compared to last year they seem to be even a little worse (toyota are up there with them, red bull are up there).
ok, engine has not improved, but why is mark webber mixing it with alonso?
yr
Originally posted by otoelpiloto


and? all teams have bad races


Oh, I thought that by "in hands of Alonso Renault has looked stronger than BMW in last races" you were talking about Hungary. Where else has Renault looked stronger than BMW lately then? In Germany perhaps, but that was a Renault in the hands of Piquet.
KERS
The problem now is the engine , and thats something Alonso cant do anything about. Give them a ferrari engine and they would be back to 2005/06 form. Hes done his part with the chassis.
ViMaMo
What abt tracks where brute Horsepower isnt a factor? Renault should be competitive on those......... maybe Valencia?
Risil
Originally posted by KERS
The problem now is the engine , and thats something Alonso cant do anything about. Give them a ferrari engine and they would be back to 2005/06 form. Hes done his part with the chassis.


Ferrari supply engines to two backmarkers already. If it wasn't for Renault's misplaced corporate pride, there's no reason why they shouldn't switch. Maybe Fernando should get on his Valentino Rossi box and demand it. stoned.gif
Buttoneer
Originally posted by KERS
The problem now is the engine , and thats something Alonso cant do anything about. Give them a ferrari engine and they would be back to 2005/06 form. Hes done his part with the chassis.
Absoplutely right. Alonso's aero tweaks and his suspension developments have pushed the team forwards brilliantly. It's now up to the other 700 staff to prove they deserve their salaries.
Clatter
Originally posted by Buttoneer
Absoplutely right. Alonso's aero tweaks and his suspension developments have pushed the team forwards brilliantly. It's now up to the other 700 staff to prove they deserve their salaries.
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marchi-91
I don't think there is any doubt that Fernando is doing a Michael 2005 and out driving the car.
Renault made a mistake last year by focusing on the 08 car when in effect they lost both drivers that made the substantial development of the car.
Buttoneer
Now that's a very different point and one I agree with. I know a lot of posters will disagree with the view but IMO Alonso has been driving his little socks off this year if only to ensure he's a great advert to his next team. Either way he has for the most part been let down by circumstance and the car, rather than by his skills.
MikeTekRacing
Originally posted by KERS
The problem now is the engine , and thats something Alonso cant do anything about. Give them a ferrari engine and they would be back to 2005/06 form. Hes done his part with the chassis.

why is red bull faster with the same engine sometimes?
Suntrek
Originally posted by Buttoneer
Absoplutely right. Alonso's aero tweaks and his suspension developments have pushed the team forwards brilliantly. It's now up to the other 700 staff to prove they deserve their salaries.


Would have been better if they'd proved their worth before they put the piece of junk that's called the R28 on track, though. wink.gif
Anomnader
Originally posted by marchi-91
I don't think there is any doubt that Fernando is doing a Michael 2005 and out driving the car.
Renault made a mistake last year by focusing on the 08 car when in effect they lost both drivers that made the substantial development of the car.


If Alonso is doing a MS 2005 then what is piquet doing as he's the one that got on the podium
marchi-91
Originally posted by Anomnader


If Alonso is doing a MS 2005 then what is piquet doing as he's the one that got on the podium


An Tiago Monteiro 2005 indinapolis.
D.M.N.
Originally posted by Anomnader


If Alonso is doing a MS 2005 then what is piquet doing as he's the one that got on the podium


If the safety car never came out at Hockenheim, Piquet would be down in like 13th.
Madeup Name
If Renault engine = -.3 secs, but Alonso = +.6 secs, that still makes Renault faster overall, surely? Or have I got my maths wrong again?
airwise
Toyota have clearly overtaken them and Red Bull have at least kept pace. I must say that Trulli fellow must be a remarkable development driver. I think Renault have some talented engineers but they have lost the technical advantages that saw them with back to back championships and it will take some time for them to get a similar advantage - if indeed they ever do again.
BiH
Originally posted by Madeup Name
If Renault engine = -.3 secs, but Alonso = +.6 secs, that still makes Renault faster overall, surely? Or have I got my maths wrong again?



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cathal
It will be interesting nxt year but I dont think its going to shift things up too much. Renault will still be 4th - 6th quickest on the grid. I still think ven with the new regs you still need to spend more tan renault are on development.
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