Has anyone got sight of any mockups or artists impressions of what the new 2009 F1 cars will look like given the new regulations...? Educated guesses, wireframes, solid models... Paintbrush, Photoshop...

Cheers

plg101

I think you'll find some of these in the 2009 Tech Regs thread

something like this?

The closest to the regulations done by our friend smirkoff on the F1technical forums.

The front wing assembly needs some fine tweaks but is very close to the regulations, so does the rest.



A new version should come soon refleting some changes.

Note that this is smirkoff's interpretation of rules, not all F1 cars would look the same necessarily.

Such a shame sharky engine covers won't be banned, too.


Nicely done, btw

OMG That is Fugluy!!!!

F1Racing Magazine had another artistic rendering of what a 2009 car might end up looking like and it's pretty similar to the picture posted by Ogami musashi.

One of the things that seems to really 'unbalance' the car aesthetically is the small and narrow rearwing.

Thanks - 2009 cars look better in my view - much purer. All starts to make sense now... :-)

Oh and thank god for the return of slicks...

slicks in 2009?!!!!

And it isn't even in Renault livery yet!

imo the rear wing should have been wider with maybe a fixed profile or single element, it looks hidious that narrow with those huge end plates

its alright apart from the rear wing, that thing looks crap

In the rendering the following points of the regulations are present (from front to the rear):

-The nose can't be lower than 200mm above the Reference Plane (the RP is 50mm above the ground)
-The center section of the front wing 500mm wide, is standard, its placement, incidence and profile is fixed and only one element (one airfoil section, the standard section) can be contained in this area. Its position is unknown but surely on the RP, in any case this section can't be higher than 125mm above the reference plane.
-only pillars are allowed in the standard section area between this and the bodywork highest point(275mm), so no bridge wings are allowed here.
-Outside of that area, the number of elements is not restricted, the width is the same than now.
-The movable parts are the flaps of the outer parts of the wing.
-Those outer parts can be 75mm from 100mm above the RP
-from a point between the front wing trailing edge to a point forward of the cockpit no bodywork other than the nose is allowed; this effectively cuts a part of the actual bargeboards
-Sidepods have a minimum radius in 3 defined volumes and must form a smooth continuous curve. Other than mirrors, no airfoil is authorized till the rear wheels (so no ramp wings).
-The shark fins are still allowed.
-The rear wing assemble must be with two central struts not more, not less.
-rear wing end plates must extend on the totality of the area covered by the struts+rear wing assembly.
-rear wings main elements are limited to two and must not be lower than 730mm above the RP
-An additional wing can be disposed between 200 and 400mm above the RP


Not seen/correction to be made/variations allowed:

-The front wing leading edge is to be before the nose end
-The end plates will be like the ones used this year
-An integrated bargeboard and lower sidepods structure is allowed, just at the entry of the cockpit, below 100mm above the RP, in this area turning vanes are autorized (but simpler)
-Sidepods can have more cut (do not need to be squarish)
-Diffuser central section that could go up to 400mm above RP is banned, all width is restricted to 175mm above RP, but instead of only that central section, next year all width of the diffuser will be allowed to lie on the RP (this year, except the central section 300mm wide, the other parts, 700mm wide had to be 50mm above RP).

Adrian Sutil said that the Force India car will look a bit like the cars from 1997.

So no beam wing? Similar to the rear wing on IRL cars?:
[img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3256/2665663502_b269b606f8.jpg?v=0[/img]

Well, it depends what you hear by beam wing. If you talk above wing just before (forward of) the struts no, no beam wing allowed then.
But behind struts a wing element is allowed. In fact this elements is already there on 2008 cars and is used as a coupling element with the diffuser.

And yet you'd still complain about the lack of overtaking.

No Brightness, you could have a wing the full width but giving the same downforce as a narrow wing by changing the profile.

McLaren have been running a 2009 spec car up and down the runway at RAF Cottesmore today, away from prying eyes, some RAF lads took photographs but they were made to delete them from their cameras :\

How can they be made to delete them?

Yeah, that looks like a real fast....... F3 car to me!

Aesthetically, the nose is still too long and high, imho. And as someone already said, the shark fin has to be banned!

Something definitely doesn't look right with the proportions of, well, everything, but especially the front and back wings...

The back wing looks a bit like the most dangerous rumble seat ever..

Ogami, I don't understand this part. How can the diffuser sections either side of the central section lie on the reference plane. The reference plane is the lower part of the stepped bottom correct? The outer diffuser section will have to lie on the upper part of the stepped bottom, which is above the reference plane (50mm?), unless the 2009 regs allow flat bottoms.

Obi

Looking at it carefully, it wouldn't be nearly as bad if the thing had HUGE rear tires, thats what it needs

Well, it seems to me the RP is 50mm below the stepped plane, but i'll check.

In any way the central part can go as low as 50mm above the ground, while the lateral parts have to lie on the lower parts of the flat bottom.
Next year all parts can lie 50mm above the ground but the central part that use to raise as high as 400mm is banned, thus the central part for 09 will only raise 175mm above RP and its length will be lower (the same lenght than the lateral parts).

I see.

Cheers

Obi

Quite simple, photography on RAF bases is strictly monitored at the best of times, and technically is banned. It's down to the base CO to set the rules. If Mclaren have come onto a base and said they want no photography and the base commander agree's then it becomes illegal under military law. Personnell get caught taking photos they are told to delete them, if they dont they will be arrested and face court marshall or criminal proceedings.

@Obi,

Okay, RP is the lowest part of the car that runs the skid plank. Step plane is 50mm above it and this is where lateral parts of the diffuser are.

The central part can be as low as the RP.

Next year then all part can lie on the RP, lateral parts will go higher (175mm vs 125mm) but the central part will go far lower (175mm vs 400mm).

Chewie where did you got the information about mclaren running a 09 spec car?

That part of the regulations (driver-adjustable flaps) still has me baffled.. has this been ever tested in the real world yet? I'd be interested to see a demonstration or even a simple illustration of that system in particular... I assume some simple and very small wireless servomechanism, but even that sounds busy over there, on the wings of an F1 car..

I'm very skeptical about that idea..

Whatever happened to that split rear wing idea?

Think bernie saw the split wing and decided it was shit as most title sponsors are one big word, not two small ones.

That would be the most beautiful car since sliced bread.

If you get your sliced bread out of a landfill.

Too right,

The only thing i like is the slicks, the new wide front wing looks stupid and the narrow rear wing looks even worse!!!!

I bet it doesn't help overtaking at all either!!!

come to think of it... 'a smooth continuous curve' is a very vague concept. They might also sculpt something like this to have some more airflow control but still have 1 'smooth continuous curve'...

hope not....

So they can have sidepod undercuts and bargeboards, just smaller?

There are three defined volumes for the sidepods (that basically go from front to aft of the car and high to low) in which two rules have to be fulfilled:

-Forming a continuous tangent curve.
-Having a minimum 75mm radius.

This actually forces the sidepods to be smooth and reduce the cut of them.
It is also stated that no other opening than cooling and exhaust pipes are allowed.

Just ahead of the sidepods there's an additional rule that states no closed section can lie in this area but asks for a crash structure to be fully enclosed with bodywork.
As such it makes that a kind of integrated brageboard (integrated to the fuselage to the sidepods) is allowed and in this little area you can have some turning vanes because the two rules of the volumes (continuous curve and 75mm min raidus) do not apply there.

To visualize, this area run from the actual front of the sidepods to the beginning of the cockpit and is situated below the inlet levels.

You can still have sidepods undercuts but they'll be less pronounced.

so maybe 2004 level sidepod undercuts,

I allready knew about the no side pod louvers, that's gonna seriously hurt the engines which require more cooling!!!

Alright, I'll give you that the wings are probably going to look even worse than they are right now.
But I'm not going to miss that junk they've been throwing to the cars at wind tunnels, (flipflaps, horn wings, flapflips, dumbo ears, flopflaps, etc.)
Plus, we're finally going to get rid of the grooved tyres.

Something like this?

[img]http://www.autosport.com/gallery/picture_free.php/dir/2008eur1/image/l__h0y5240-2[/img]

The most beautiful F1 car was the Jordan 191 - with the Lotus 79 being a close 2nd ... I am sure that a bunch of you young whippersnappers are rushing to to Forix site or Googling for pictures right now !

Just dot my copy of autosport, there is a mockup of the F1 2009 car in there, no bargboards at all.. the car looks pretty teriable, i'm a lil worried that it'll be slower than a gp2 car!!!

You haven't been looking at many testing times have you.

No need for googling, Jordan 191 is one of my favourites too. And yes, I've been a fan back then.
Just appalled of the cars now.

Was sliced bread already invented in the early 90s?

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They probably see sharky engine covers as a place they can sell to the sponsors, as it's quite big and rather visible.