Rinehart
Aug 22 2008, 08:40
Originally posted by djellison
Without meaning to detract from the tragedy of so many people being killed in such an horrific way....
351 people were killed by a tropical storm in Burma a week before the Turkish Grand Prix this year....not a blink.
87,000 people were killed on the May 12th in an Earthquake. No one spared them a thought at Monaco 10 days later. Thats like the Madrid plane crash every day, for 18 months.
42 people were killed in bomb blasts in Algeria yesterday, and 54 today in a bomb blast in Pakistan. Where is their minutes silence?
And today, tomorrow, on qualifying day, on race day, next monday, tuesday...infact every single day, 8000 people are killed by AIDS in Africa.
Not saying that a moments silence isn't the right thing to do given that we have a Grand Prix in Spain so soon after an horrific accident like that - but it does need a little bit of context.
Doug
Not to take anything away from the Spanish victims, and I think Alonsos suggestion is a good one, but I agree with your thoughts above, particularly the natural tragedies, but I'm not so sure that sport should be politicised.
Imperial
Aug 22 2008, 10:19
This is an official (whatever that means in the context of human loss) time of mourning in Spain.
Fernando is Spanish. Is it not his own will to wish to express mourning in this way? Is it Spanish or Catholic tradition to express mourning in such ways?
As far as I am aware there have come no negative comments from Spanish forum members, so I say that until a tragedy happens in one of our countries (UK for me) just before a race how about people reserve judgement on what is and isn't appropriate behaviour (given the customs and dominant religion of the area)?
stevvy1986
Aug 22 2008, 10:25
apparently was a minutes silence at 11am our time which by the sounds of it included alot of drivers,team owners etc (didnt say if any didnt take part) but well done to those who took part,and well done fernando for organising it
It's not about Alonso, it is a Spanish event, it is correct for a Spanish event to pay its respects to such a recent Spanish tragedy, it was correct for Alonso to prompt them to do this.
This is also why I disagree with djellison's point, it is not proper for F1 to pay tribute to tragedies in general, except in extraordinary circumstances. If it felt the need to mark every tragedy then, with races only once a fortnight, it would very likely be holding a minute's silence before every race, a meaningless gesture. F1 isn't about mourning the ills of the world it is intended as an entertainment, a diversion from current affairs. If the host nation has suffered a tragedy immediately prior to the event, then it should pay its respects, but it shouldn't be expected to broaden that to the wider world.
Ross Stonefeld
Aug 22 2008, 11:05
Hmm, is this the beginning of the era of 3-minute silences?
NineOneSeven
Aug 22 2008, 11:26
Originally posted by lukywill
i didn“t die today. but possible you would not mourn me if i did.
I can say that genuinely for the first time I am agreeing with one of the most disagreeable characters on this board!
NineOneSeven
Aug 22 2008, 11:28
Originally posted by djellison
Without meaning to detract from the tragedy of so many people being killed in such an horrific way....
351 people were killed by a tropical storm in Burma a week before the Turkish Grand Prix this year....not a blink.
87,000 people were killed on the May 12th in an Earthquake. No one spared them a thought at Monaco 10 days later. Thats like the Madrid plane crash every day, for 18 months.
42 people were killed in bomb blasts in Algeria yesterday, and 54 today in a bomb blast in Pakistan. Where is their minutes silence?
And today, tomorrow, on qualifying day, on race day, next monday, tuesday...infact every single day, 8000 people are killed by AIDS in Africa.
Not saying that a moments silence isn't the right thing to do given that we have a Grand Prix in Spain so soon after an horrific accident like that - but it does need a little bit of context.
Doug
Well said that man!
thiscocks
Aug 22 2008, 11:37
Originally posted by djellison
Without meaning to detract from the tragedy of so many people being killed in such an horrific way....
351 people were killed by a tropical storm in Burma a week before the Turkish Grand Prix this year....not a blink.
87,000 people were killed on the May 12th in an Earthquake. No one spared them a thought at Monaco 10 days later. Thats like the Madrid plane crash every day, for 18 months.
42 people were killed in bomb blasts in Algeria yesterday, and 54 today in a bomb blast in Pakistan. Where is their minutes silence?
And today, tomorrow, on qualifying day, on race day, next monday, tuesday...infact every single day, 8000 people are killed by AIDS in Africa.
Not saying that a moments silence isn't the right thing to do given that we have a Grand Prix in Spain so soon after an horrific accident like that - but it does need a little bit of context.
Doug
Exactly. I have never understood why sports thats are in no way connected to a public tragedy feel the need to 'pay respects' to people who have died outside the sports world. It just seems really cheap, tacky, and just a way for the sportsmen/women to look good.
Ross Stonefeld
Aug 22 2008, 11:40
In this case it's understandable since it's a very big story in Spain and that's where they are racing. It was as much the event organising a tribute as Alonso personally deciding something should be done. If they weren't racing in Spain you wouldn't have seen anything.
Imperial
Aug 22 2008, 13:23
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
Hmm, is this the beginning of the era of 3-minute silences?
That started long ago mate.
Whilst I don't disagree with silences in general, I do disagree with this competition that's been going on the last few years with various silences. I remember the UK Queen Mum got 2 minutes, because I remember hiding in the toilets at work so I didn't have to take part in it !!!
I'm positive a few 3 minute silences have taken place.
Some of my jokes are paid tribute with 3 minute silences.
Imperial
Aug 22 2008, 13:52
Originally posted by Orin
Some of my jokes are paid tribute with 3 minute silences.
Good one.
Schuting Star
Aug 22 2008, 21:21
Originally posted by Ross Stonefeld
In this case it's understandable since it's a very big story in Spain and that's where they are racing.
I made that point and yet you reminded me why I don't post any more?
Anomnader
Aug 22 2008, 21:36
Originally posted by tonhitux
I've been reading this forum for some time now and it never stops surprising me how far people here will go to bash their hated drivers.
This is one of the two comments that have really shocked me about the plane crash. The other one was on an American forum where someone said the Spanish people deserved that tragedy because some weird reason I just forgot now.
Not to drift off topic but you totally missed jesee point, he was'nt aiming at bashing Alonso, he mentioned Alonso (as this is the current topic ) AND OTHER DRIVERS.
How generally if they really wanted to help then there is better and other ways then just a minutes silence.
Suntrek
Aug 23 2008, 00:40
Originally posted by Imperial
This is an official (whatever that means in the context of human loss) time of mourning in Spain.
Fernando is Spanish. Is it not his own will to wish to express mourning in this way? Is it Spanish or Catholic tradition to express mourning in such ways?
As far as I am aware there have come no negative comments from Spanish forum members, so I say that until a tragedy happens in one of our countries (UK for me) just before a race how about people reserve judgement on what is and isn't appropriate behaviour (given the customs and dominant religion of the area)?
It has already happened. Just before the British GP 2005 the London bombings took place. I don't remember if they held a minute of silence but PW asked Alonso about his thoughts about it in the press conference.
Fernando, your thoughts on this Grand Prix in the context of some of the events that have happened in London over the last few days. Can you talk to us about Formula One's approach to this tragedy.
FA: I think we are all very sad and this is not good at all, I think, what happened in London in the last few days. All the Formula One people, we want to express our respects for the victims and their families and put a good show on for them tomorrow. The sport, especially Formula One, cannot do much on this occasion.
Ross Stonefeld
Aug 23 2008, 04:40
Originally posted by Schuting Star
I made that point and yet you reminded me why I don't post any more?
?
pottiella
Aug 24 2008, 02:49
Originally posted by Suntrek
It has already happened. Just before the British GP 2005 the London bombings took place. I don't remember if they held a minute of silence but PW asked Alonso about his thoughts about it in the press conference.
so that's to be held against him now?
What is Fernando to say anything other than that in that event? I'm sure if Jenson or DC asked for anything as mark of respect, none of the drivers would have objected. Fernando had to make the effort this weekend, else do you think any of the other drivers would have said anything different to what Fernando did in 2005?
For heaven's sake...
Speaking of which, I didn't know the drivers were all wearing spanish flags on their helmets; it's a lovely gesture in my opinion, and a great way to show the drivers are united in their respect for the spanish nation's grief. Fernando didn't suggest it, so whoever did (and if in the driver's briefing, I can only imagine it wasn't a Spaniard!) good on them. Fernando must have enjoyed making 20 flag stickers!
le chat noir
Aug 24 2008, 03:07
just some questions, if anyone knows the answers (not making judgement):
did they have any silence for dc's pilots?
did they have any silence for graham hill and co?
did they have any silence for colin mcrae?
pingu666
Aug 24 2008, 04:27
think there was for colin, or atleast tributes. in motorbiking theres normaly a silence or they do a lap or something, notsure if they do much for the average road racer that dies, the big ones get tributes...
speaking of which, i need to see if i can put up the big poster i got of robert dunlop and martin finnigin...
Originally posted by djellison
Without meaning to detract from the tragedy of so many people being killed in such an horrific way....
351 people were killed by a tropical storm in Burma a week before the Turkish Grand Prix this year....not a blink.
87,000 people were killed on the May 12th in an Earthquake. No one spared them a thought at Monaco 10 days later. Thats like the Madrid plane crash every day, for 18 months.
42 people were killed in bomb blasts in Algeria yesterday, and 54 today in a bomb blast in Pakistan. Where is their minutes silence?
And today, tomorrow, on qualifying day, on race day, next monday, tuesday...infact every single day, 8000 people are killed by AIDS in Africa.
Not saying that a moments silence isn't the right thing to do given that we have a Grand Prix in Spain so soon after an horrific accident like that - but it does need a little bit of context.
Doug
Difference is this tragedy occurred in the country where the race is happening, if the GP had been on when the earthquake happened in China I fully expect there should have been a tribute. Don't just bring up things to drag down someone trying to do something noble.
Ross Stonefeld
Aug 24 2008, 08:52
I don't know if it's noble, it seems a bit reactionary. The moment of silence by the organisers on Friday was nice, but it's "just" a plane crash. I mean if it was full of nuns and orphaned children we could all cry softly, but this is running the risk of turning into a PR thing.
I'm a little surprised there is another minute silence on the grid. I thought the point had been made on Friday to be honest.
Originally posted by pRy
I'm a little surprised there is another minute silence on the grid. I thought the point had been made on Friday to be honest.
James Allen said Alonso had asked for permission but it had been denied, it would have been a bit OTT.
Suntrek
Aug 24 2008, 16:39
Originally posted by pottiella
so that's to be held against him now?
What is Fernando to say anything other than that in that event? I'm sure if Jenson or DC asked for anything as mark of respect, none of the drivers would have objected. Fernando had to make the effort this weekend, else do you think any of the other drivers would have said anything different to what Fernando did in 2005?
For heaven's sake...
Speaking of which, I didn't know the drivers were all wearing spanish flags on their helmets; it's a lovely gesture in my opinion, and a great way to show the drivers are united in their respect for the spanish nation's grief. Fernando didn't suggest it, so whoever did (and if in the driver's briefing, I can only imagine it wasn't a Spaniard!) good on them. Fernando must have enjoyed making 20 flag stickers!
I think you misunderstood my post.
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