i think yes...I tell you more tommorow...Here it's eleven and i've school
The same at Spa
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/france_...Balde_85_02.htm

Bonuit Antony

Same brake set up in Manfreds picture of Balde as my Sarron one!? but different to Silverstone.

Good evening


Hello,

Very interesting, both Christian Sarron’s 1984 250 Yamaha and the J.F Balde Pernod Chevallier1985 bikes are for sale by the same company in France have a look at those two links and enjoy the pictures.

http://www.classic-motorbikes.com/stock.asp?Ref=FA20&Lang=en

http://www.classic-motorbikes.com/stock.asp?Ref=FA44&Lang=en

-Leif

PS! Think I will mortgage my house, cash in my retirement plan and put a deposit on one of those 2 bikes

Big smile to at http://www.courseshisto.com/en/accueil.php

This "Classic Motorbike" website is the one of the company that Hubert Rigal either works for , or owns ( fully or partly ) , I'm not sure

From memory the 1985 Pernod saga goes as such : at the beginning of the year , the Pernod management realised that their original design, which had not significantly evolved since the original drawings of 1981 , was starting to become totally outdated and uncompetitive against the japanese machinery . They were not prepared to fund a complete new design ( which would have been the only solution if they had been really serious about it ) but still decided to hire Alain Chevallier, who had gained a serious reputation with the bikes he had built with his own frames and self-tweaked Yamaha engines, with the mission to build a new frame and to do what he could to improve the old engine . This produced the bike which is advertised for sale in the linked page .

But this desperate attempt did not produce the expected miracle, the machine sadly proved uncompetitive, tensions appeared between the Pernod company head office and the bike racing team, and mid season the owners decided to call it a day and shut down the factory team, but still gave a budget to Jean-François Baldé in order to finish the season. From the Belgian Grand Prix onwards, I think Baldé had a choice of two bikes , the Pernod/Chevallier frame he had started the season with, but with a Yamaha engine fitted , and a real TZ, indeed one of Christian Sarron's previous year championship winning machines. He used the TZ, branded in Pernod colours, most of the time .

Morning!! How do you rate this guy? (keep it clean and not slanderous ;) ) I loved watching the guy...but then again I never shared a race track with him, was he wild as was said at the time by many, or just really quick and seemingly fearless.

Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.

He was bloody quick, without doubt, and roadracers the world over dream of his strength/weight ratio. That he was at times er, a little erratic, is well known and well documented, but he was brave as hell, and was right in the ballpark when power to weight ratios were handed out for racing in the small capacity classes, let alone a GP 500. Have seen him pull off some great wins in his younger years on the George Huse MBA 125, and TZ250, and couldn't help but spot him popping up from time to time in GB, the Continent, and even Daytona. I think his Loopy reputation was a little exaggerated, but to return to my original observation, he was Bloody Quick....

This guy has some awesome videos !
Some great stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6seLJvia0ko
Enjoy

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Come on Stu, say what you gotta say. I never saw the lad ride, but he did have a bit of a reputation didn´t he.

Excellent ! At some of the races I was as a spectator

I'd second that although some times his antics reminded me a little of the fairy tale rumplstiltskin ( stamping a hole through the floor) PMSL!!!

well he was different!,and certainly not affraid to go beyond the limit.
one of those charracters we need in racing at the moment.

I worked with Lewie in '86 on the carbon bikes, the year we went to reeds from discs. Lewie was fun to be around, on and off the track. I have some great stories but not sure I can tell them.

Frustrating sometimes though to work with as he fell down a bit, probably trying to impress when just relaxing and riding fast would have done it and he would probably have done better with us. He knew it was a short contract and that the V4 was imminent, it actually appeared at Misano, the last round of that season; Galina had been showing it in Italy. We came home to the UK and 2 days later I went back to the Galina workshops to collect it with a van and bring it to the UK. We then had a scout around it and tested at Donington which is where the group photo was taken on page 4 of the old forum, Maccas post 135.

Who is this and what model is it? it looks odd to me!!?

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Stating the obvious, it's Alphonsito Pons...

Someone had to Michael ;) Aye tiz Alphonso Pons.

Just me tonight then? WWW? I like this one!!

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The name's Lüscher, but I don't recall the first name... Peter? Bruno?? Stefan???

EDIT: Oh, and early eighties at Silverstone, I'd guess...

...and me, but I know nought mate!

Could be Bottom Straight at Brands though......

could be Sterling but more central UK than that.

Bruno is correct I think

Bruno Luscher 1983 (again!! :\ ) Silverstone
I don't have those two dots(above the u) on my keyboard, what are they called Michael?

Omlout or something similar? :\

Umlauts ;)

Ahhh! Thank you

Yes it's pic:wave:bla:wave:ncs favourite Silverstone spot

I will leave you with this one for tonight, Who and what is it? Yes I know its small but they have been to easy lately....clue well known rider with a well known family & he is from England. The bike not so well known!!

Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.

Stuart Graham, Snetterton?

It was the only place that you could get close enough (even with a 200mm telephoto lens!!) to the track for piccys, for those of us not lucky enough to get track side passes (like a certain person on here who is on his hols at the moment )
Now even that spot has gone

Snetters is right of course. This guy had a well known son.

tony jeffries,on a suzuki?

I have checked my pictures and all programmes of races where I took pictures - I did not find him.

But while digging through my old programmes I found something which amazed me: In the entry list for the 'Formula 1' race (500/750 two-strokes combined with 1200cc four-strokes) in May 1980 in Hockenheim there is an entry for Alex George on a Cagiva. Did Alex George really ever rode a Cagiva ?

Let's start the day with a WWH (Who and When in Hockenheim) - category 'difficult up to impossible'

Another (maybe stupid) question by me - in the collection of YouTube videos we yesterday thankfully were made aware of there is a video of the 350cc WC race in Hockenheim from 1981

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOQ-ybK-xKM

Close to the end of the video it is shown how Jon Ekerold and numerous other riders crash in the second chicane because of an oil trace on the track surface. I always had the impression that oil traces were predominantly a problem of races in which four-stroke bikes participated. Is that only my impression ?
And if not: what is the main reason for the difference ?

Tony Jefferies is right Dennis, but he is on a Munch 750.

Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.

I presume that the track was so slippery because in race bikes the petrol and oil is premixed before it was put in the fuel tank, so there would be an amount of two stroke oil on the track even if the petrol evaporated?

I attended that particular GP (as a spectator) and if my memory serves me correctly, Patrick Fernandez, who was lying third at the time, crashed his Bimota in the second chicane. The Bimota´s evidently had glassfibre fuel tanks (despite them being illegal I believe) and Fernandez´s tank was broken open on impact, depositing the fuel/oil mixture all over the track. About five riders directly following him went down before the marshals put out the oil flags. In fact, almost a lap later, Ekerold and Mang arrived at the crash scene, with Ekerold in the lead. He claimed later there were no oil flags out (maybe they had been withdrawn by then) and he crashed when he hit the oil still on the road. Mang, fortunately, saw him go down and was able reduce his speed in time. From where I was sitting in the stands, (on the exit of the Opel curve), one could see up the road to the exit of the chicane, and I remember seeing bikes flying everywhere as well as one machine explode in a ball of flame. How no one was seriously hurt remains a mystery.

Yeah, Alex rode a Cagiva for a season, but it was in the golden livery of his sponsors 'Golden Hermitite', so not sure if it was an actual works bike. Marco Lucchenelli rode one around the same time too.

The seal behind the clutch basket on a TZ350 propably

Seeing your picture of Mr Luscher, his helmet reminds me of Ian Redly's. Does anyone know the significance of the Swiss flag emblem on Ian's?

Elegantly sidestepped, Stu. My mum told me, if you can't say anything nice about somebody, etc etc.... which is how I was able to maintain radio silence during the unfortunate blowup with the Thai-based golfers recently...

Your Mum was a very wise Woman, my Mum told me the same thing...where would we be without our Mum....not here actually!!!

LOTTO 250...

40 Besendörfer
51 Gerwin or Dekanek
7 W. Hoffmann
37 Tomic
??????????????????????

Indeed Lotto ! None is correct. I will give some hints.

Race is 250 EC 1982.

#51 A German rider I never have heard of. Initials AU

#10 A swiss rider. Initials NC.

#7 Another swiss rider. Initials are TB.

#37 Is from Austria. Initials are EN.

Egel Neumair 37
Nedy Crotta 10
and

Crotta for #10 and Neumair for #37 is correct !

#7 is Thomas Bacher. And #51 is Albrecht Ulmer. Never ever heard of him

I just learned that Albrecht Ulmer was the winner of the German Yamaha Cup of 1981 (Yamaha XS400).
In those days it was common that the winner of the Yamaha Cup got a 250cc race bike as price - so maybe that's the bike he is on in the pic.

Is T. Bacher Swiss or Austrian...

I thought he is Swiss - but on the Highsider site he is listed as Austrian. And I have found him on a site which lists the Austrian bike racing champions as winner of the Honda Cup. So you are right with your doubt - he is Austrian.