Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Can I have a go. Holland, Ralte or Hengelo. I´ll settle for Hengelo 1982.
Can I have a go. Holland, Ralte or Hengelo. I´ll settle for Hengelo 1982.
Tight corner, narrow track, wherever it is
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Tight corner, narrow track, wherever it is
Originally posted by mfd
Tight corner, narrow track, wherever it is
Tight corner, narrow track, wherever it is
It is the Varsselring at Hengelo in 1981, tight/narrow ? not for guys like Boet van Dulmen who learned racing on the N.M.B. (Nederlandse Motorsport Bond) streetcircuits mostly half as wide as Hengelo.
If you like to see more than 100 Dutch circuits have look at www.wegcircuits.nl from Rob Semmeling.
Originally posted by picblanc
What gave it away Ton!!?
The other rider is Ian Ratcliffe. 1980 Brands Hatch PBI.
What gave it away Ton!!? The other rider is Ian Ratcliffe. 1980 Brands Hatch PBI. I used to come across Ian Ratcliffe when I bought my Avgas. He used to be one of the bosses at Popham airfield Nr. Basingstoke, and as far as I know would propably still be there if any of his old mates wanted to catch up with him.
(Just another piece of useless info.) On that note does anyone know what has happened to Phil, he hasn't posted for a while, and the humour level has dropped a bit!
Nigel
Originally posted by LamboNZ
I used to come across Ian Ratcliffe when I bought my Avgas. He used to be one of the bosses at Popham airfield Nr. Basingstoke, and as far as I know would propably still be there of any of his old mates wanted to catch of with him.
(Just another piece of useless info.) On that note does anyone know what has happened to Phil, he hasn't posted for a while, and the humour level has dropped a bit!
Nigel
I used to come across Ian Ratcliffe when I bought my Avgas. He used to be one of the bosses at Popham airfield Nr. Basingstoke, and as far as I know would propably still be there of any of his old mates wanted to catch of with him.
(Just another piece of useless info.) On that note does anyone know what has happened to Phil, he hasn't posted for a while, and the humour level has dropped a bit!
Nigel
i didn't know that,i used to go there for my avgas as well,from 92 /95 for my 350 honda.
small world innit
Originally posted by renzo
i didn't know that,i used to go there for my avgas as well,from 92 /95 for my 350 honda.
small world innit
i didn't know that,i used to go there for my avgas as well,from 92 /95 for my 350 honda.
small world innit
Hi Dennis, it would have been during that period too, I finnished racing in 96. He took over operations after Charlie Church, who owned the airfield, was killed when he crashed his Spitfire.
Ian Was the bald headed guy that would walk around with the air traffic control radio.
Nigel
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Can I have a go. Holland, Ralte or Hengelo. I´ll settle for Hengelo 1982.
Stu following Boet V D. Didn´t see the race, but no way Stu won
. Nobody beat Boet or Jack on those tracks, not even Stu. 
Thanks for that, I have not got any pics from the Dutch Street Races and it was a big part of my life. It wasnt to difficult for me as we were brought up on NZ road circuits. You are right thou, Boet and Jack were unbeatable and if you had, the crowd would have probably jumped the fence and kicked you!!
Can I have a go. Holland, Ralte or Hengelo. I´ll settle for Hengelo 1982.
Stu following Boet V D. Didn´t see the race, but no way Stu won
. Nobody beat Boet or Jack on those tracks, not even Stu. Originally posted by picblanc
What gave it away Ton!!? The other rider is Ian Ratcliffe. 1980 Brands Hatch PBI.
Was that Linda from Suzukis husband, Ian?
What gave it away Ton!!? The other rider is Ian Ratcliffe. 1980 Brands Hatch PBI. Bobo did me some damage once. We were at Spa in 82 and he had run out of brake pads. He begged me for a set and I gave him my last set of Ferodo's. He came back to my caravan with a couple of beers to say thanks. I decided to share one with Mark Sale and at the same time show him how I could take the top of without an opener. Head broke off the bottle and stabbed me betwen the thumb and first finger. Of to the notorious field hsopital at Spa and 5 stitchs with out anesthetic, lovely. Then back to the paddock, cap in hand, to work out with my mechanic how to shape a handgrip so I could still race. Chased Rocket Ron on the NSR500? 4 stroke the next day and did ok. It had a lot of power but was a bitch to stop so all went well..
Originally posted by LamboNZ
On that note does anyone know what has happened to Phil, he hasn't posted for a while, and the humour level has dropped a bit! Nigel
On that note does anyone know what has happened to Phil, he hasn't posted for a while, and the humour level has dropped a bit! Nigel
I think he's on holiday Nigel
Originally posted by LamboNZ
I used to come across Ian Ratcliffe when I bought my Avgas. He used to be one of the bosses at Popham airfield Nr. Basingstoke, and as far as I know would propably still be there of any of his old mates wanted to catch of with him.
(Just another piece of useless info.) On that note does anyone know what has happened to Phil, he hasn't posted for a while, and the humour level has dropped a bit!
Nigel
I used to come across Ian Ratcliffe when I bought my Avgas. He used to be one of the bosses at Popham airfield Nr. Basingstoke, and as far as I know would propably still be there of any of his old mates wanted to catch of with him.
(Just another piece of useless info.) On that note does anyone know what has happened to Phil, he hasn't posted for a while, and the humour level has dropped a bit!
Nigel
Yes he is on his hols, back Sunday I believe,
Originally posted by mfd
I think he's on holiday Nigel
I think he's on holiday Nigel
Oh, all right for some!
Just had a look at your site too Mike, awesome work. One thing I did notice was how the car guys designs were much simpler, with bold colours, as opposed to a lot of the bike decals with air brush style transfers that seem to be the go these days and unless you are really up close can not see them anyway.
Nigel
Originally posted by HEMEYLA
Nice picture Fu, Bobbe van de Broek @ Yamaha, Brands Hatch, 1976.
Nice picture Fu, Bobbe van de Broek @ Yamaha, Brands Hatch, 1976.
Morning all, thank you Ton,
Bobbe Van de Broek at Brands it might be 1977?
A quick WWW? anyone remember anything about this rider?
Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.
Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stuavant
[B] Was that Linda from Suzukis husband, Ian?
Hi Stu, yes he was.
[B] Was that Linda from Suzukis husband, Ian?
Hi Stu, yes he was.
Originally posted by picblanc
A quick WWW? anyone remember anything about this rider?
Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.
A quick WWW? anyone remember anything about this rider?
Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.
mal kirkham seems to ring a bell?
Canadian by the looks of his helmet.
Originally posted by LamboNZ
One thing I did notice was how the car guys designs were much simpler, with bold colours, as opposed to a lot of the bike decals with air brush style transfers that seem to be the go these days and unless you are really up close can not see them anyway.Nigel
One thing I did notice was how the car guys designs were much simpler, with bold colours, as opposed to a lot of the bike decals with air brush style transfers that seem to be the go these days and unless you are really up close can not see them anyway.Nigel
Thanks Nigel and yes, the old style in cars was different. I do believe you're correct too, as the complex stuff is less visible & distinctive. The trends that started in Motocross soon followed into Road Racing, yet the car helmets have lagged behind. From the moment the helmet manufacturers turned to transfers & decals, although better for them economically, I knew there were problems ahead!
If you think about how we can id riders in some of those tiny photo "WWW" on this thread, I'm sure we'd struggle to do the same with the current lot
Originally posted by renzo
mal kirkham seems to ring a bell?
mal kirkham seems to ring a bell?
ah,i think i may be thinking of mal KIRWAN
Originally posted by renzo
mal kirkham seems to ring a bell?
mal kirkham seems to ring a bell?
Kirkham is right, but Ron Kirkham. 1977 British GP and yes obviously from Canada.
Originally posted by picblanc
Kirkham is right, but Ron Kirkham. 1977 British GP and yes obviously from Canada.
Wow, this site is amazing. I knew Ron Kirkham. Somewhere in the dark recesses of my memory, that pic stirred a dulled brain cell. You´ve seen that guy, it said. Nah, said my other brain cell. Then, when you told us who it was, the wall between my two brain cells crumbled and I remembered. Ron Kirkham, dear oh dearie me. Wonder whatever became of him? Kirkham is right, but Ron Kirkham. 1977 British GP and yes obviously from Canada.
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Wow, this site is amazing. I knew Ron Kirkham. Somewhere in the dark recesses of my memory, that pic stirred a dulled brain cell. You´ve seen that guy, it said. Nah, said my other brain cell. Then, when you told us who it was, the wall between my two brain cells crumbled and I remembered. Ron Kirkham, dear oh dearie me. Wonder whatever became of him?
Wow, this site is amazing. I knew Ron Kirkham. Somewhere in the dark recesses of my memory, that pic stirred a dulled brain cell. You´ve seen that guy, it said. Nah, said my other brain cell. Then, when you told us who it was, the wall between my two brain cells crumbled and I remembered. Ron Kirkham, dear oh dearie me. Wonder whatever became of him?
Another Senior moment Rhodie!!
Originally posted by picblanc
Another Senior moment Rhodie!!
Another Senior moment Rhodie!! Fraid so.
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
Originally posted by subh
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
I will kick off! #22 on front left Marco Luchinelli on the Cagiva that was spoken about the other day.
IS THAT AGO AT THE BACK #1?
Originally posted by subh
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
#9 Alex George, next to Virginio Ferrari ( is it #11 ) head down behind screen
Originally posted by ESSEXBOY
IS THAT AGO AT THE BACK #1?
IS THAT AGO AT THE BACK #1?
I think its Dick Albas, but why he has #1?
Originally posted by mfd
#9 Alex George, next to Virginio Ferrari ( is it #11 ) head down behind screen
#9 Alex George, next to Virginio Ferrari ( is it #11 ) head down behind screen
Alex George is #9 on the left of #11 who is Virginio Ferrari
Originally posted by mfd
#9 Alex George, next to Virginio Ferrari ( is it #11 ) head down behind screen
#9 Alex George, next to Virginio Ferrari ( is it #11 ) head down behind screen
#21 Lansivuori, #15 Hartog...are those guys hanging from the balconies in the Paddock Club?
Originally posted by picblanc
I will kick off! #22 on front left Marco Luchinelli on the Cagiva that was spoken about the other day.
I will kick off! #22 on front left Marco Luchinelli on the Cagiva that was spoken about the other day.
Graham, I think it's a coincidence the colours are the same, but it's too early for a Cagiva
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mfd
Graham, I think it's a coincidence the colours are the same, but it's too early for a Cagiva [/QUOTE]
QUOTE]Originally posted by subh
1978
Marco Lucchinelli, Gianfranco Bonera
1979
Alex George ? (presumably not for the factory, if true)
1980
Virginio Ferrari, (and again George)
1981
Virginio Ferrari
1982
Jon Ekerold
1983
Virginio Ferrari, Jon Ekerold
1984
Marco Lucchinelli, Hervé Moineau, Pierre Bolle
1985
Marco Lucchinelli, Virginio Ferrari
1986
Juan Garriga, Marco Lucchinelli, Vittorio Gibertini
1987
Didier de Radiguès, Raymond Roche
1988
Randy Mamola, Raymond Roche, Massimo Broccoli
1989
Randy Mamola, Massimo Broccoli, Raymond Roche
1990
Randy Mamola, Ron Haslam, Alex Barros
1991
Eddie Lawson, Alex Barros, Raymond Roche, Marco Papa
1992
Eddie Lawson, Alex Barros
1993
John Kocinski, Doug Chandler, Mat Mladin, Juan Garriga, Carl Fogarty
1994
John Kocinski, Doug Chandler, Carl Fogarty
1995
Pier-Francesco Chili
I think that’s everyone. [/QUOTE]
Not according to Dan and his extensive archive,
Graham, I think it's a coincidence the colours are the same, but it's too early for a Cagiva [/QUOTE]
QUOTE]Originally posted by subh
1978
Marco Lucchinelli, Gianfranco Bonera
1979
Alex George ? (presumably not for the factory, if true)
1980
Virginio Ferrari, (and again George)
1981
Virginio Ferrari
1982
Jon Ekerold
1983
Virginio Ferrari, Jon Ekerold
1984
Marco Lucchinelli, Hervé Moineau, Pierre Bolle
1985
Marco Lucchinelli, Virginio Ferrari
1986
Juan Garriga, Marco Lucchinelli, Vittorio Gibertini
1987
Didier de Radiguès, Raymond Roche
1988
Randy Mamola, Raymond Roche, Massimo Broccoli
1989
Randy Mamola, Massimo Broccoli, Raymond Roche
1990
Randy Mamola, Ron Haslam, Alex Barros
1991
Eddie Lawson, Alex Barros, Raymond Roche, Marco Papa
1992
Eddie Lawson, Alex Barros
1993
John Kocinski, Doug Chandler, Mat Mladin, Juan Garriga, Carl Fogarty
1994
John Kocinski, Doug Chandler, Carl Fogarty
1995
Pier-Francesco Chili
I think that’s everyone. [/QUOTE]
Not according to Dan and his extensive archive,
#38 John Williams #47 Tom Herron above #4 Johnny Cecotto.
Found this one, WWW? might be easy for certain ones on here to identify?;)
Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.
Photo Copyrighted to Graham Etheridge, racebikepics.
Originally posted by subh
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
#34 Boet Van Dulman? #38 Jon Ekerold 3rd above #34, #35 Michel Rougerie behind Cecotto.
Just been thinking about the early Cagiva years - wasn't it a Suzuki in disguise until 82 ?
Originally posted by picblanc
1978 Marco Lucchinelli, Gianfranco Bonera
1978 Marco Lucchinelli, Gianfranco Bonera
Not according to Dan and his extensive archive,
That's fine Graham, so the first rostrum (with Lucky) for Cagiva was Mugello 1978.
I find this interesting as I can't find one single reference in any of the Motocourse reports for a Cagiva & all the stats show both riders on Suzuki. There are a few colour shots of the bike with the elephant on the side. I think it odd, considering all the others are either Yamaha or Suzuki, the reports don't make a mention of a "new" Italian bike. Off to look in the 79 issue.
Originally posted by picblanc
#34 Boet Van Dulman? #38 Jon Ekerold 3rd above #34, #35 Michel Rougerie behind Cecotto.
#34 Boet Van Dulman? #38 Jon Ekerold 3rd above #34, #35 Michel Rougerie behind Cecotto.
John Newbold #23 just behind #34 Boet van Dulmen, the "witte reus" on the works bike won the race, Kenny 2nd, Barry 3rd.
Found this one, WWW? might be easy for certain ones on here to identify?
Greg Johnson?
Greg Johnson?
Originally posted by subh
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
As it happens, I have the programme for this race, so I can mark your answers...
The Cagiva: The sources I’ve been looking at describe Lucchinelli’s 1978 bike as either a Suzuki or a Cagiva-Suzuki. I think you’re right and it wasn’t yet the real deal.
OK, right so far:
1 Alblas* (not Agostini), 4 Cecotto, 9 George, 15 Hartog, 21 Länsivuori, 22 Lucchinelli, 23 Newbold, 34 van Dulmen, 38 Williams (not Ekerold)
* A hint here is that a lot of the numbers seem to have been allocated alphabetically.
Looking at the 78 book reminded me Steve Baker rode for Nava Olio Fiat that year Suzuki in the GP, but I think a TZ750 in the F750 series - did you go to the round at Brands Graham?
Baker was Canadian - wasn't he? Just that on the Highsider he's down as American.
Baker was Canadian - wasn't he? Just that on the Highsider he's down as American.
11 is not Ferrari, but you have identified him correctly - it looks like an 11 but is 12 on the bike.
Same with Herron - not 47 but it is him and number is 17.
No need for guesses on 2 Roberts and 7 Sheene...
Same with Herron - not 47 but it is him and number is 17.
No need for guesses on 2 Roberts and 7 Sheene...
Originally posted by mfd
Looking at the 78 book reminded me Steve Baker rode for Nava Olio Fiat that year Suzuki in the GP, but I think a TZ750 in the F750 series - did you go to the round at Brands Graham?
Baker was Canadian - wasn't he? Just that on the Hiighsider he's down as American.
Looking at the 78 book reminded me Steve Baker rode for Nava Olio Fiat that year Suzuki in the GP, but I think a TZ750 in the F750 series - did you go to the round at Brands Graham?
Baker was Canadian - wasn't he? Just that on the Hiighsider he's down as American.
If I remember rightly he was supported by / run by Yamaha Canada in 1977 (and quite possibly before that too) but was from the US.
Originally posted by subh
If I remember rightly he was supported by / run by Yamaha Canada in 1977 (and quite possibly before that too) but was from the US.
If I remember rightly he was supported by / run by Yamaha Canada in 1977 (and quite possibly before that too) but was from the US.
Indeed you're right
http://www.motorcyclemuseum.org/halloffame...opage.asp?id=21
Originally posted by mfd
Looking at the 78 book reminded me Steve Baker rode for Nava Olio Fiat that year Suzuki in the GP, but I think a TZ750 in the F750 series - did you go to the round at Brands Graham?
Baker was Canadian - wasn't he? Just that on the Hiighsider he's down as American.
Looking at the 78 book reminded me Steve Baker rode for Nava Olio Fiat that year Suzuki in the GP, but I think a TZ750 in the F750 series - did you go to the round at Brands Graham?
Baker was Canadian - wasn't he? Just that on the Hiighsider he's down as American.
Thats what I thought Mike but I read about this in Classic racer and it says that he rode in the Canadian Yamaha colours because of his connection but is actually from the U.S. :\
Also I found this [/URL] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Baker_(motorcyclist) and for once
Ithink they might have got it right
Doh! too slow again
Originally posted by andyb1963
Thats what I thought Mike but I read about this in Classic racer and it says that he rode in the Canadian Yamaha colours because of his connection but is actually from the U.S. :\
Also I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Baker_(motorcyclist) and for once I think they might have got it right
Thats what I thought Mike but I read about this in Classic racer and it says that he rode in the Canadian Yamaha colours because of his connection but is actually from the U.S. :\
Also I found this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Baker_(motorcyclist) and for once
I think they might have got it right Yes Andy I was convinced but then I remembered "Bellingham" for some reason. Trivial pursuits
The other part I forgot was that Yamaha dropped him at the end of 77. I wonder what that was all about?
Originally posted by picblanc
I will kick off! #22 on front left Marco Luchinelli on the Cagiva that was spoken about the other day.
I will kick off! #22 on front left Marco Luchinelli on the Cagiva that was spoken about the other day.
Katayama , #8. And could it be Denis Ireland #46 (or is it too early for him?)
Originally posted by subh
If I remember rightly he was supported by / run by Yamaha Canada in 1977 (and quite possibly before that too) but was from the US.
If I remember rightly he was supported by / run by Yamaha Canada in 1977 (and quite possibly before that too) but was from the US.
And Wasn't Baker's OW31 one of the most lovely things to be seen before 2 strokes started sprouting silencers. Go on, Graham - I know you've got some pics...
Originally posted by chrisb
And Wasn't Baker's OW31 one of the most lovely things to be seen before 2 strokes started sprouting silencers. Go on, Graham - I know you've got some pics...
And Wasn't Baker's OW31 one of the most lovely things to be seen before 2 strokes started sprouting silencers. Go on, Graham - I know you've got some pics...
Agreed, they always had the "pure Yamaha " paint jobs. My pal was at Spa recently for the the classic meet and had some video which he brought round last week. Baker looked like he just popped out of the Yamaha production line the day before..going back a few pages I reckon Sarrons Yamaha 250 has the most beautiful lines as did the Pernod. Far better looking than the current 250's..
Originally posted by subh
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
This is a ‘who’ for you, over at the highsider photo site. You’ll see that it’s Spa 1978, but the whole field is there to ID:
http://www.highsider.com/textlager/uk_text...heene_78_05.htm
Hi,
Børge W Nielsen from Denmark (number looks like 24) is behind Tom Herron and almost next to Katayama (number 8?), in the right side of the picture it looks like Max Wiener from Austria number thirty something.
Can’t find myself behind the wall
, I was there did not qualify in the 250 and it was also the last year on the long street circuit.
Cheers,
Leif
Originally posted by chrisb
and wasn't Baker's OW31 one of the most lovely things to be seen before 2 strokes started sprouting silencers. Go on, Graham - I know you've got some pics...
and wasn't Baker's OW31 one of the most lovely things to be seen before 2 strokes started sprouting silencers. Go on, Graham - I know you've got some pics...
He'll be in nod land, but I've got one[img][IMG]http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8942/bakerjm9.jpg[/img][/IMG]
Originally posted by mfd
He'll be in nod land, but I've got one[img][IMG]http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8942/bakerjm9.jpg[/img][/IMG]
Can you get him to start it up please?
He'll be in nod land, but I've got one[img][IMG]http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/8942/bakerjm9.jpg[/img][/IMG]
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