Ahhhhhhhhhh Mr Fu we've missed you nice of you to put up Robbo's pic's of Stu winning 4 out of 4 on the BSA , at Chimay last weekend , the tz suffering clutch slip

Have you been away ???

Well done Stu!
No not been away, just taking a bit of a back seat for a change.

Pic taken at the Sachsenring last weekend




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Is that Soeli Saarinnen in center?

.... any offers for the gents ?

And Angel to the right of her ? ( or to her left, if you prefer )

whatever , yeah that's him

Manfred Herweh next to Carmen Espeleta 2nd & 3rd left?
Or maybe thats not Espeleta or Herweh!?

Yes it's Dorna guru Ezpeleta....and between him and Soeli are the 2 brothers of Jarno, undertakers by trade as you surely know.. they both carried him home from Monza...
and the bloke on the far right once lost a worldchampionship because he collected one point less ....Philippe

When you consider she must be well into her 60´s by now, she certainly looks great.
It was about time Jarno was honoured in this manner.

WWW? there are three of them. Who is the rider on the barrier in the third pic?





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Steve Tonkin?

No Rhodes, I dont know who it is, but I hope may be Tony Edwards might?

Donno about the riders Mr Fu , but nice to see Sonny and Cher top left with Rick Parfitt in light blue in the first pic . Then Dudley Moore far left with Neil Morrissey far right in the last shot . Oh a young James May in the middle , first pic
A star-studded crowd indeed !!!!!!

I swear, I think Sony and Cher are that delightfull SA couple, Greg and Maggie Barsdorf.

Fu,

Could it be Snetterton 1975? Can't get anyone from Pic 1. Pic 2 there's Mike Trimby in the Shell leathers and white helmet, and Roger Keene on his right - orange fairing with red helmet - number 176? Pic 3 Mick Patrick on Harold Coppock's 350 Yamaha (easy one though, his name is on the seat!). As for the chap on the barrier - looks familiar but can't think of the name.

All the best.

Ray

It is Snett 1975 Ray, Trimby & Mick Patrick & Roger Keen are correct.

Peter Clifford (I think!) 1st pic blue and white leathers, centre of pic.
Alex George, 2nd pic to thr left of Trimby, red Shell leathers.

Nigel

Err!! no Nige.

Umm... Pete Melnik maybe with the blue leathers?

The other one looks like Alex Georges helmet, and says Alex on the back of it.

Not Pete, it says Alan. Alex Georges helmet had a green band.

His picture has been on before - isn't he Peter Labuschagne ?

Bit early for Peter I would have thought

Julian Soper with the black and white striped helmet
Graham(?) Young on the green Rottweiler
Alan Blasdell (?) on the red König next to Mick Patrick
Another Mr Young on the #118 Rottweiler

Oh give up I was only seven then!

It has to be Tony Mang then, although I must confess I don't recognize him at all .

No offense meant to Tony, but is there a reason ( outside of his multiple world titles) why he was called to take part in the Saarinen tribute ? Unlike Nieto, I don't think his path crossed Jarno's in the Grand Prix.... the earliest Mang appears in the results is at the 1975 Austrian Grand Prix, and - strangely enough - on a 350cc "SMZ" ! Any details on that 350 SMZ , Renn ? Was it an updated/overbored version of the famous Maïco-based V-twin 250cc SMZ that he and Sepp Schögl had built for Dieter Braun for the 1971/72 seasons, or a totally different machine with just the same name....

Tony Mang was a mechanic for Dieter Braun before he raced.

No not me I was riding a 250 in that year, but I can see Julian Soper on Willy Ryans' Crescent, blue/yellow leathers on an orange bike with high level exhausts. Mike Trimby on a 750 Yamaha behind him, the blue twin with the single disc is, I think, the Raceway with a rider I should know usually rode a 500 Kettle Norton. Not Peter Clifford, the red bike is Alan Benalack. Your 'James May' is in fact Ed Curtis brother of Chris and now Newmarket Club chairman.
Just been through my programs for that season of Natonals at Snetterton, Revetts and Hubbard TV Rental and cannot find a set of race numbers that tally from 31st March, 25th May or 13th July

Hi Philippe, don't know why he took part, probably he is representing more or less that era for most of the people over here and he ist still well known ....and he was part of the "circus" as Braun's mec as stated by Mick. The 350 SMZ is a little bit of mystery, because I don't know why they digged it out in '75 again and ran it in the 350 cc class. As you know, it was quite promising in '72, making a fine debut at the 250 German GP, where Braun gained 2nd place ahead of Saarinen, but after that they ran into a lot a minor teething troubles and abandoned the project at the end of the season, at least for the GPs ( I remember faintly that Mang rode it in the junior championship in Germany though ). Quite interesting that is was quite competitive in the 350 class 3 years later on such a fast track as the Salzburgring is ( or at least was)

Yes, quite. I would have thought Dieter Braun would have been a more appropriate guest.

In '72 didn't Dieter run a home-built watercooled 250 in the GPs? I think it may have been a sleeved-down 350A as the customer TZ 250 wasn't available until the following year.

I well remember him on the SMZ in '72 at the Nürburgring and I'm quite sure he finished the season with that bike. He changed to a Yamaha the following worldchampionship winning year of course. In '72 there were no watercooled TZs available, air cooled TD3/TR3 were state of the art IIRC

Great Snetterton pictures!
Is it one of the Revetts (Chris?) on the Maxton to the right of Soper? And Jeff Cookbain on the Tony Foale TZ (blue leathers/white stripes, thirty-something?).

It is in 1973 that Dieter rode a home-built watercooled 250 Yamaha ( and won the world championship with it ) and the bike, as Mick wrote, was based on a re-sleeved 350TZA engine - the production watercooled TZ indeed only came out in 350 size in 1973 , the 250 version was produced only the following year.

This quite trustable site tells that the 250 came out in June 73...

http://www.tz350.net/tz250page.htm

and this one

http://www.classic-motorrad.de/bikes/Yamah...amaha-Racer.htm

show both watercooled as available for '73 and quite frankly that's how I recall it

Sorry Renn, my mistake on the year of course, the year of the first production watercooled TZ350A was '72 and the first TZ250 was '73, I'm quoting from memory, ah, how the years fly by....

It was in Jarno's championship winning year that Dieter ran his 'home brewed' watercooled 250 ('72)

I hate to seem to fight against evidence, but I think the topic needs to be investigated deeper....I'm fairly sure (from memory, of course....) that the 350TZ indeed came out in large numbers very early in 1973 ( so that all riders were equipped for Daytona for instance ) but that the 250 Grand Prix season started with all riders (except of course factory riders Saarinen and Kanaya) aboard air-cooled TD3's , or former "factory" watercooled bikes from the previous years in various importers teams ( for instance Patrick Pons had an "ex-Gould" -I think- watercooled 250 for Sonauto ) , or home-brewed specials like Braun ( who had ridden the SMZ in the previous season ) . If the 250TZ came out later in the season ( June ? ) that might have been in Asia or the US , but most european riders would have already been equipped for the season I think.

Anyway, there are people much more qualified than me on this forum to answer this clue , Don from the US for instance, but I think the matter is worth investigating.

Picture 1
#125 Charles Moody 500 Dominator? Behind on TZ (white Helmet) Colin Wilson,
Tony Nash (orange Helmet) riding Vaughn Youngs TZ700.
Possibly Chris Curtiss, (orange leathers, white helmet on front row far right?)
#35 Jeff Crookbain (blue & white) Tony Foale 354 Yamaha.
#93? (TZ350) Dave Oliver.
Julian Soper (blue & Yellow leathers) on 500 Ryan Cresent.

Pic 2
Crookbain, Oliver, Soper.
Chris Revett (yellow & red helmet)
#169 Alan Rogers
Mike Trimby TZ700 Yamaha.
#170 Roger Keen.
Tom Newell 500 (Arter Matchless?) hidden by mechanic.
#51 Clive Wall TZ350
Just see Rex Caunt TZ350 (WR Bearings Yamaha)

Pic 3
#90 Anthony Barr, 750 Seeley Commando.
#61 Dave Saltwell (Blue leathers,Helmet) TZ350 Yamaha.
#118 Vaughn Young on Tony Nash TZ700 Yamaha.
#110 Mick Patrick TZ350 Yamaha.
#119 in prog as Donald Clements (750 Stewart Commando)

Snetterton July 12th 1975.
Dont know rider on barriers in third pic, not Peter Labuschagne though, to early, he arrived in (1976/77?)

WWW?
One well known to most?

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Morning Buster I'll have a punt at Steve Parrish

Morgen, Tony Rodger on the 700... outrageous 'Jarno' angle on little TZ handlebars - don't know the rider.....

Tom Newall is on the Raceway, a 500 cc twin two stroke. It could be Chris Curtis, right leathers and bike but I don't recognise the hat.

We were at the home of Graham and Roz Godward yesterday for their 25th wedding anniversary. A group of us that had not been together for 23 years but for 19 years previous to that were as thick as thieves (quote only, thieves were never that thick!!!!!!!!). We had loads to reminisce about, of course.
The group photo was taken and as soon as I have it I will post it, so beware and tuck the kids up in bed.

I have introduced then all to the web site.

If memory serves, 162 is ................! (we have had a similar pic of him before, so I'll let others play!). Crafty one Graham

Your right Barry, he has appeared a good few times over the past few years on the forum.

Tony Rodger is right Russell.

Could 162 be Kevin Wrettom?

Correct Mick.

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Snett 1975, with the Bombhole grandstand in the background.

WWW? This English rider, not to well known, but had a famous Father, so who is he? and his well known Dad?

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Roger Oliver?

Stunned!! Have we had him before!!? So who is his Dad then Barry?