One thinks FIA's support should suffice...

Yes it was lucky but lacking fighting spirit? He did fight against kimi and lost, then he didnt have the pace to match kimi and lewis so he couldnt fight them. And we could say the same thing with kimi in hungary as well.

Over this whole year massa deserves it more then kimi.

Yeah sure. Kimi showed nothing the entire season and after giving up a sure win and stuffing it on the wall he's Mr. Fighter now.

Too bad the last race is not in Finland with Kimi leading easily and then having to be held at the pits handling Massa the win and the championship... at least they would be equal....

i have to admit that at this point ferrari should back massa, and im sure kimi will be okay with that. sure, a dnf can change a lot, but now kimi needs that a catastrophic end for hamilton happens again as it did last season, while massa only needs to finish a race in front of hamilton to get back in the lead.

According to Kimi's comments after the race, there is no help coming for next two races.

If Ferrari lets that, I'm not sure it's wise. I know Kimi is supposed to be their mega star driver, but I cannot imagine the same happening to Hamilton as last year again. And Kimi would need something like that to win the title. While Massa still has a realistic chance. Sorry, but at the moment the team's interest is to make Kimi do the supporting role.

"It is not up to me if he (Massa) wins or not," he said. "I will do the best I can do and we see what the situation is. I try to win races and we will see what happens."


KR doesn't seem being too keen on playing support role for Massa.

I hope he is not serious about those comments. He cannot suddenly forget that Massa contributed to his title last year.

As far I remember, Massa came to his help only after it was mathematically clear that Massa cant win. So Kimi is dead serious that he aint going to help before its really over.

if ferrari wants so, it's better....
but i think kimi don't help so much massa, he goes on to do bad races! on spa, only piquet hit wall, and a world champion can't do these mistakes...

this is debatable. "Mathematically clear" is not the right answer - It is more like what is realistic and what is not.

But he was keen enough to fluke a WDC by Massa's help.

hmm last year massa provided help after monza, mostly behind the scenes stuff i guess, ending in gifting the win to kimi in brazil.

massa's drive at spa is better than what most are giving him credit for, it was solid and he brought it home (1st\2nd)

kimi can still do it, but i think kimi should now be the backup driver

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"Starting from Monza, Raikkonen must start driving for Massa," the Austrian told the Swiss newspaper Blick. "Any other team strategy would not make sense."

Anything but full spport for Massa would be insane. I don't like Kimi's comments but he is right in saying ti is not up to him - it is up to his paymasters and the team will tell him to play along, just as it told Massa one year ago to KR's own benefit.

I think Ferrari would have already told Massa to play Nr 2 if it was the other way around. The problem is Kimi is a WDC and paid a lot to be the team's star driver, so the team probably find it more difficult to make the right decision quickly in this case. It will cost them the title, if they cannot put the team's interests ahead of Kimi's.

I dont know what 'behinds the scenes' means or what value it could possible have. Massa only helped Kimi in the last race of the season when he had no chance for the wc, yet many are speaking like massa helped him for half the season. Last year Kimi won the wc from 17 points behind with 2 races to go , now hes 19 behind with 5 races to go. I dont think he should help massa yet, although if It would be the smartest policy from Ferrari.

LAST YEAR 5 RACES FROM FINISH STANDINGS:
HAMILTON:84
ALONSO:79
MASSA:69
KIMI:68
KIMI 16 POINTS FROM TOP COMPARED TO THIS YEAR'S 19, BUT AT THE END WORLD CHAMPION. SO IT SEEMS TO ME A LITTLE BIT HARD TO PERSUADE KIMI THAT HIS WDC CHANCES ARE OVER.
FURTHERMORE, LAST YEAR, FOR THE LAST 5 RACES MASSA NEVER ACTUALLY HELPED KIMI AS HE FINISHED ABOVE MACLARENS ONLY IN SPA AND BRASIL. ONLY IN THE LAST RACE ANYONE COULD SAY THAT HE TOOK SECOND IN ORDER TO HELP KIMI KEEP HIS CHANCES ALIVE.
SO MASSA GET YOUR ASS DOWN AND START WORKING. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIMI DOES IF YOU CONSTANTLY KEEP FINISJING ABOVE HAMILTON.

Yep, Kimi's not out of it yet. Five races makes a maximum of 50 points to play for. 17 behind at this stage is not the best situation, but hardly insurmountable.

My opinion: Kimi already helped Massa in Spa. He "gave" him 6 points in comparism to Hamilton, which is more help than Kimi evr got from Massa last year.
So the rest is up to Massa.

Besides: I don´t like it that Massa says: it is up to Kimi to help me. Kimi and Ham and Alonso never said such things. For me this is very poor behaviour.

KIMI COULD TAKE FIVE WINS AND STILL MASSA WOULD BE CHAMPION AS LONG AS HE KEEPS HIMSELF ABOVE HAMILTON. I CAN'T SEE HOW KIMI COULD HELP HIM. IT'S UP TO HIM. THIS STATEMENT IS A LOOSER'S STATEMENT.

please read what he said, then comment upon it

besides bashing for nothing and living in a fantasy world where kimi is god, can you please stop writing like kindergarden children with CAPITALS?
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I still can't rate Massa highly....

Dunno..it's just a hunch or feeling on my part.....but I've lost some respect for him this year. Great move in Hungary.......but...other things stick in my mind...

Silverstone..that was just embarassing.....really.

The Valenica Pit Stop....got no problem with the pitstop myself, happens all the time, there should have been no fine....not unless the FIA go back to Canada and fine Kimi, or the 100 other races over the years where this happens....what DID piss me off was his statments about how the other driver in the pits..the one already on the road and in front..should have got out his way as he was leading the race.....as if everyone is supposed to get out of his way......

And his early calls toooo early, for Kimi to support him........again, he seems to want everyone to help him win....can't he do it himself?.....

I dunno..he seems a bit of a whinger.....and seems to expect everyone, including rivals, to help him to the champions top spot......

IF he does win, I hope it is by a clear margin...but I dunno......I think Kimi has a better chance against Hamilton, I really do. In a street race wheel to wheel race (if allowed) I think Hammy will blow Massa right off the road as he did in Hockenheim...where as I think Kimi is a real fighter....

I know this is wrong, but I still see Massa as a "clear track" winner....if he gets in front, he does great...but I have'nt seen him "race" much.....though I did see a great clip of him and Kubican fighting in the rain in Japan..so..well.....

I'm just not sold on Massa yet......very mixed feelings....

I want him to win it on merit....but at the moment, it almost sounds as if he wants the red carpet laid out in front of him, and for everyone else to bow and scrape and get out of his way.......

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THE ONLY REASON I'M WRITTING WITH CAPITALS IS FOR YOU, HOPING YOU WILL READ AND UNDERSTAND BETTER WHAT I WROTE.
TOUGH CHANCE. YOU SEE AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT TO.
AS FOR THE FANTASY I'M LIVING IT'S NOTHING COMPAREDS TO YOURS THAT SOMEDAY YOU WILL SEE MASSA WDC. THE FIRST BRASILIAN WDC AFTER THE GREAT AYRTON SENNA.BLASPHEMY!

Stop it, please. It just looks awful to read, I'm having a hard time taking anything written like that seriously.

Last year had the points been similar I dont think anyone would have asked Kimi to support Massa because there were two mac drivers in the fight. This year mac have had all their effort behind hamilton virtually from day 1 so its a kind of different situation. Part of me doesnt want them to put it all behind Massa as i'm not overly confident he can deliver. However given the situation, I think its all they can do.

It doesn't make it any easier to read or understand. On the contrary. If you have a point it will be read and understood. If you don't follow the conventions how to present your views many won't read them at all.

I was only joking. Never thought that capitals would have that effect on you. Shouldn't judge a comment only because it was written in capitals though. One can always skip it and read the next one. Let's move on

not worth answering, but heck, couldn't help it
you've got issues with that blasphemy thing ;)
massa will win it if he can, if he can't he won't. senna has nothing to do with it. nor his nationality.

yes
it's not like he could really help THAT much.
I mean it's only if kimi somehow is in front of massa with 1 place or something similar.
that way
-"no team orders" => kimi doesn't really gain anything important from massa (he has a huge point gap to massa, 1-2 points won't shrink it)
-"team orders" => massa can gain (or not lose) 1-2 valuable points to hamilton (the point gap is a lot smaller, 1-2 points can make a heck of a difference).
other than this...kimi can't do much for massa, and there is no need to. it's not like he's miles faster and will have to stop on track to let massa through. it's just that he will not be allowed to finish directly in front of felipe (or even worse, in front of felipe with hamilton leading both of them)

edit: one more thought. they could stop that qualy 2 war and give them both "optimal" strategy (+ - 1 lap, of course). they won't race directly, so it wouldn't really matter who gets the extra lap.

I don't know why all the fuss about Kimi helping Massa. He can barely help himself. How is he going to help Massa ? People are getting to excited about Spa but the fact is he still classified 2 spots behind Massa with a lighter car and in a long track like Spa that's a lot heavier.

"If it is necessary, he should help. He is a very fair guy, as I am too. That is part of our job."

Me too, dunno what all the fuss is about. Maybe its because anything will do for a little bash?

the truth is if kimi wins the next race, with massa second and lewis third, massa is first in the wdc standing again. so kimi doesnt really need to hand is position to massa or anything. ultimately its up to the team to decide, and at this point it looks like massa can do it on his own, if its not necessary for kimi to help, then why would he?

And if Massa loses by 2 points at the end? I thought in a way it was good for Ferrari that Kimi didn't finish in Spa. If he had, he'd have probably finished between Hamilton and Massa taking 2 points away from Massa while not really improving his own, already slim WDC chances...

No its about what is in the contract and its very unlikely that Kimi has agreed to take such commands when he can still theoretically win the title.

Usually only threat is that driver is not allowed to drive, that would cost Ferrari millions and millions and they cant threat about future either as they want to keep Kimi in the team.

Well, can you see the future? What if Massa has a couple of dnfs towards the end and it's actually Kimi that needs those 2 points that he hypothetically "takes away"?

Maybe I don't understand, but I thought after the incident where Barichello let Schumacher win the race that "Team Orders" were a thing of the past...

It came back as "Team Strategy"

They made a rule where it's illegal for a team to determine finishing order, or anything that adjusts what would otherwise be the finishing order.

However this was a knee-jerk reaction that accomplished nothing, because now instead of saying "Kimi, please let Felipe past for the title", they'll say "Kimi, Felipe is behind you" and Kimi would know what is expected. Just as McLaren would say "Heikki, Lewis is 10 seconds behind you with 2 laps to go" is code for "you know what the right thing to do is".

So it's now put back onto the driver....they can decide to let someone past without penalty.