cynic mode on
No one knew about the investigation until after kimi crashed (at earliest). Any sort of penalty handed the win to massa.
So whats to say Bernie isnt behind all of this, on the premise that a close championship fight will get people watching, the journalists scribbling and more people watching.
Hes a slippery git at the best of times, I really wouldnt put it past him!
cynic mode off
Whatever the cause of the current situation its hard to see how this doesnt damage the image of the sport. Bernie really needs to think about that and the FIA need to have a think about how they are viewed from within the sport/industry.
Full Version: Italian Grand Prix Early Discussion Thread
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
I would like to make a prophesy.
[B]LEWIS HAMILTON WON`T SEE THE CHECKERED FLAG IN MONZA. [/B]
I would like to make a prophesy.
[B]LEWIS HAMILTON WON`T SEE THE CHECKERED FLAG IN MONZA. [/B]
Yeah, right....
More like a wish...
every chance he wont :/
how well do the cars fire out of the ascari? chicane without TC? i still hope its epic
how well do the cars fire out of the ascari? chicane without TC? i still hope its epic
Originally posted by pingu666
every chance he wont :/
how well do the cars fire out of the ascari? chicane without TC? i still hope its epic
every chance he wont :/
how well do the cars fire out of the ascari? chicane without TC? i still hope its epic
IMO they've been far more boring since they got rid of V10s. They were awesome under acceleration, even with TC. I'd suspect this year at Monza will be no different from any other track.
http://weather.msn.com/tenday.aspx?wealoca...forecast:tenday
I know it's still early but 95% chance of rain on Saturday and Sunday!
1.Alonso
2.Massa
3.Kimi
Ham = DNF
I know it's still early but 95% chance of rain on Saturday and Sunday!
1.Alonso
2.Massa
3.Kimi
Ham = DNF
So many conspiracy theories. I'll add one too. 
Starting grid. Superb pole by Kovalainen ahead of Hamilton, Massa, Kubica, Raikkonen. Top10 is rounded up with Vettel, Trulli, Alonso, Bourdais and Heidfeld.
Race start. Kovalainen stalls on the grid with Hamilton and Massa blasting into T1. Massa tries to go though the inside, but hits Hamilton, who spins. Raikkonen can't avoid a suddenly stalled Massa and hits him. Red flag. Stewards decide Hamilton has to be disqualified from the Grand Prix - the reasoning is that he caused an avoidable accident - and won't be allowed to take the restart. Mclaren tries to appeal - the appeal will take place after the race. Telemetry and other stuff will be analyzed after the race, no time for this atm.
Start 2. Kovalainen happily takes his #1 grid position he couldn't use at the first start. Kovalainen makes a brilliant start and flies away from everyone. In the last sector on lap1 at Variante Ascari Raikkonen and Massa collide and spin while in P3 and P4 behind Kubica. Red flag, of course.
Start 3. Kovalainen makes a nice getaway, but Massa takes the first chicane straight and goes into the lead. At the back there is a major pile-up with Coulthard taking out most of the second half of the grid. Kovalainen runs wide and Raikkonen makes it Ferrari 1-2. Someone has been injured and needs help to get out of the wreckage in the middle of the road, but stewards decide for a safety car.
Rolling start: Massa, Raikkonen, Kovalainen, Kubica, Trulli, Vettel, Bourdais, Heidfeld.
6th lap. Raikkonen spins in Variante della Roggia and Kovalainen avoids him by going straight on. Raikkonen resumes in 4th. Kovalainen is awarded a stop and go (not drive through!) penalty for purposly cutting the chicane.
Massa's first pitstop. Mechanics make a mockery of it. Kubica takes the lead ahead of Raikkonen and Massa. Kovalainen has been handed another stop and go for almost hitting another car on the pitlane after "unsafe release" following his previous stop and go.
Kubica leads, all looks fine for BMW. Raikkonen and Massa are right behind though. Suddenly Kubica has been handed a drive through penalty for an unsporting behaviour ahead of Ferraris. Confirmation will come after the race.
Raikkonen leads Massa and on the last lap Domenicali says on the team radio: "Kimi, let Felipe pass for the championship". Kimi refuses to do it and after the Monza race Ferrari announces that the Finn will be sacked after this season. Trulli is a fantastic third until his engine mysteriously blows up on the penultimate lap. Later it turns out that a banana has been found in the cooling system of Toyota thanks to mad Tifosi, who couldn't stand the Italian driver catching the cruising Ferraris in the closing laps by 2 seconds a lap. So Kubica inherits third, but will get disqualified after the race, which means an awesome achievement for Toro Rossos - 3rd for Frenchman and 4th for German. Kovalainen and Heidfeld rouns up the top6.
McLaren's postrace appeal will end with the extension of Hamilton's race-ban by one race, it means including the Singapore Grand Prix.
Kubica's penalty was reasoned with forcing the Ferraris behind him to drive in dirty air and by passing backmarkers, which didn't enable Ferraris to get alongside him.
Kubica was disqualified, because during his last pitvisit he had almost ran over a Ferrari mechanic, who dangerously ran over the pitlane.
Starting grid. Superb pole by Kovalainen ahead of Hamilton, Massa, Kubica, Raikkonen. Top10 is rounded up with Vettel, Trulli, Alonso, Bourdais and Heidfeld.
Race start. Kovalainen stalls on the grid with Hamilton and Massa blasting into T1. Massa tries to go though the inside, but hits Hamilton, who spins. Raikkonen can't avoid a suddenly stalled Massa and hits him. Red flag. Stewards decide Hamilton has to be disqualified from the Grand Prix - the reasoning is that he caused an avoidable accident - and won't be allowed to take the restart. Mclaren tries to appeal - the appeal will take place after the race. Telemetry and other stuff will be analyzed after the race, no time for this atm.
Start 2. Kovalainen happily takes his #1 grid position he couldn't use at the first start. Kovalainen makes a brilliant start and flies away from everyone. In the last sector on lap1 at Variante Ascari Raikkonen and Massa collide and spin while in P3 and P4 behind Kubica. Red flag, of course.
Start 3. Kovalainen makes a nice getaway, but Massa takes the first chicane straight and goes into the lead. At the back there is a major pile-up with Coulthard taking out most of the second half of the grid. Kovalainen runs wide and Raikkonen makes it Ferrari 1-2. Someone has been injured and needs help to get out of the wreckage in the middle of the road, but stewards decide for a safety car.
Rolling start: Massa, Raikkonen, Kovalainen, Kubica, Trulli, Vettel, Bourdais, Heidfeld.
6th lap. Raikkonen spins in Variante della Roggia and Kovalainen avoids him by going straight on. Raikkonen resumes in 4th. Kovalainen is awarded a stop and go (not drive through!) penalty for purposly cutting the chicane.
Massa's first pitstop. Mechanics make a mockery of it. Kubica takes the lead ahead of Raikkonen and Massa. Kovalainen has been handed another stop and go for almost hitting another car on the pitlane after "unsafe release" following his previous stop and go.
Kubica leads, all looks fine for BMW. Raikkonen and Massa are right behind though. Suddenly Kubica has been handed a drive through penalty for an unsporting behaviour ahead of Ferraris. Confirmation will come after the race.
Raikkonen leads Massa and on the last lap Domenicali says on the team radio: "Kimi, let Felipe pass for the championship". Kimi refuses to do it and after the Monza race Ferrari announces that the Finn will be sacked after this season. Trulli is a fantastic third until his engine mysteriously blows up on the penultimate lap. Later it turns out that a banana has been found in the cooling system of Toyota thanks to mad Tifosi, who couldn't stand the Italian driver catching the cruising Ferraris in the closing laps by 2 seconds a lap. So Kubica inherits third, but will get disqualified after the race, which means an awesome achievement for Toro Rossos - 3rd for Frenchman and 4th for German. Kovalainen and Heidfeld rouns up the top6.
McLaren's postrace appeal will end with the extension of Hamilton's race-ban by one race, it means including the Singapore Grand Prix.
Kubica's penalty was reasoned with forcing the Ferraris behind him to drive in dirty air and by passing backmarkers, which didn't enable Ferraris to get alongside him.
Kubica was disqualified, because during his last pitvisit he had almost ran over a Ferrari mechanic, who dangerously ran over the pitlane.
Why does anyone think McLaren 1-2? It's an engine point and shoot track - I'd say if Ferrari don't 1-2 it'll be a massive surprise. Unless it rains. Then Hamilton must be favorite.
Its not just a point and shoot track. Its also very much how you can ride kerbs. If you get that right at the lesmos, especially the exit of lesmo 2, you could easely gain a few tenths to half a second on your competitors. If the macs have more mechanical traction, its bye bye Ferrari.
i think if it rains lewis will crash out. forums flooded with bitter alonso fans gleefully saying he isnt the rainmaster everyone has quitely thought, but is useless choker etc
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why does anyone think McLaren 1-2? It's an engine point and shoot track - I'd say if Ferrari don't 1-2 it'll be a massive surprise. Unless it rains. Then Hamilton must be favorite.
Why does anyone think McLaren 1-2? It's an engine point and shoot track - I'd say if Ferrari don't 1-2 it'll be a massive surprise. Unless it rains. Then Hamilton must be favorite.
I would say the Mac is better than the Ferrari over the curbs than the Ferrari is quicker in a straight line.
So whilst the Mac will be slightly slower than the Ferrari in a straight line, it will be quite a bit better over the curbs.
So much fans wanting Lewis not to finish. Surely they must be very bitter about the dominance he displayed in the closing laps of the Belgian GP. Afraid you Ferrari boys can't win on merit huh?
If Lewis collects another win at Monza, it will be ever so sweet
If Lewis collects another win at Monza, it will be ever so sweet
Grid:
1. Hamilton
2. Massa +0.1
3. Räikkönen +0.3
4. Kovalainen +0.6
Kovalainen will be fueled 4 - 5 laps heavier than Hamilton, Räikkönen will pit two laps after Massa who'll pit one lap behind Lewis.
Räikkönen leads the race after first pitstops, but his 2nd pitstop will be long enough for giving Massa a win. Ferrari 1-2, followed by Kovalainen. Hamilton will suffer a gearbox failure.
1. Hamilton
2. Massa +0.1
3. Räikkönen +0.3
4. Kovalainen +0.6
Kovalainen will be fueled 4 - 5 laps heavier than Hamilton, Räikkönen will pit two laps after Massa who'll pit one lap behind Lewis.
Räikkönen leads the race after first pitstops, but his 2nd pitstop will be long enough for giving Massa a win. Ferrari 1-2, followed by Kovalainen. Hamilton will suffer a gearbox failure.
Originally posted by potmotr
Nick Heidfeld has now been on there four times and he's supposed to be having a dreadful season.
Nick Heidfeld has now been on there four times and he's supposed to be having a dreadful season.
Heidfeld has his podiums not on race pace, but by using his brilliant race-craft in the strange or incident strewn races. That's not a critcism of him that's a positive if anything.
It's incredible that he is so close to Kubica on points, despite their contrasting seasons.
When was the last wet Monza race?
Originally posted by Hames Junt
When was the last wet Monza race?
When was the last wet Monza race?
I was thinking about that yesterday and couldn't remember...
Boy dont we love to bash Ferrari here 
If Ferrari are reliable they should be in the reckoning for a 1-2. I mean, even if Kimi doesn't qualify properly and takes his now customary P4 on the grid for the race, those Ferrari's are awesome in a straight line. McLaren might very well have better mechanical grip and ride the kerbs better but between Curva Parabolica and T1 and also between the penultimate corner and Curva Parabolica, the Ferrari's can make up a huge amount of time.
Having said all that, Ferrari were just as quick in a straight line last year but Alonso's magic saw them bite the dust. Lewis has been hauling that McLaren beyond its ability a couple of times this year - he just keeps pushing pushing pushing and at Monza he might be the difference in the race.
If Ferrari are reliable they should be in the reckoning for a 1-2. I mean, even if Kimi doesn't qualify properly and takes his now customary P4 on the grid for the race, those Ferrari's are awesome in a straight line. McLaren might very well have better mechanical grip and ride the kerbs better but between Curva Parabolica and T1 and also between the penultimate corner and Curva Parabolica, the Ferrari's can make up a huge amount of time.
Having said all that, Ferrari were just as quick in a straight line last year but Alonso's magic saw them bite the dust. Lewis has been hauling that McLaren beyond its ability a couple of times this year - he just keeps pushing pushing pushing and at Monza he might be the difference in the race.
Originally posted by kodandaram
Boy dont we love to bash Ferrari here
If Ferrari are reliable they should be in the reckoning for a 1-2. I mean, even if Kimi doesn't qualify properly and takes his now customary P4 on the grid for the race, those Ferrari's are awesome in a straight line. McLaren might very well have better mechanical grip and ride the kerbs better but between Curva Parabolica and T1 and also between the penultimate corner and Curva Parabolica, the Ferrari's can make up a huge amount of time.
Having said all that, Ferrari were just as quick in a straight line last year but Alonso's magic saw them bite the dust. Lewis has been hauling that McLaren beyond its ability a couple of times this year - he just keeps pushing pushing pushing and at Monza he might be the difference in the race.
Boy dont we love to bash Ferrari here
If Ferrari are reliable they should be in the reckoning for a 1-2. I mean, even if Kimi doesn't qualify properly and takes his now customary P4 on the grid for the race, those Ferrari's are awesome in a straight line. McLaren might very well have better mechanical grip and ride the kerbs better but between Curva Parabolica and T1 and also between the penultimate corner and Curva Parabolica, the Ferrari's can make up a huge amount of time.
Having said all that, Ferrari were just as quick in a straight line last year but Alonso's magic saw them bite the dust. Lewis has been hauling that McLaren beyond its ability a couple of times this year - he just keeps pushing pushing pushing and at Monza he might be the difference in the race.
Not the way I saw it in Spa. The Mac´s seem to have the legs on everything, including the Ferrari´s. On the fateful 3nd to last lap, Lewis was able to close up on Kimi considerably on the climb to the chicane. And Kovi´s demolition of Piquet on the same straight was pure HP. The Merc engine seems to have found some power somewhere.
I think the Mac is a far better package all round than the Ferrari at the moment. They should have it fairly easy in Monza, unless Ferrari can close the gap somehow.
Originally posted by Hames Junt
When was the last wet Monza race?
When was the last wet Monza race?
There never was a proper wet weather race at Monza. It started damp in 2004 and I think it was damp during a race back in the 70s as well.
I wonder how many times will we see pilots missing the braking points, cutting the chincanes and being penalized if it's wet...
Originally posted by Enkei
Afraid you Ferrari boys can't win on merit huh?
Afraid you Ferrari boys can't win on merit huh?
Recent FIA activity shows they can't.
Originally posted by ex Rhodie racer
Not the way I saw it in Spa. The Mac´s seem to have the legs on everything, including the Ferrari´s. On the fateful 3nd to last lap, Lewis was able to close up on Kimi considerably on the climb to the chicane. And Kovi´s demolition of Piquet on the same straight was pure HP. The Merc engine seems to have found some power somewhere.
I think the Mac is a far better package all round than the Ferrari at the moment. They should have it fairly easy in Monza, unless Ferrari can close the gap somehow.
Not the way I saw it in Spa. The Mac´s seem to have the legs on everything, including the Ferrari´s. On the fateful 3nd to last lap, Lewis was able to close up on Kimi considerably on the climb to the chicane. And Kovi´s demolition of Piquet on the same straight was pure HP. The Merc engine seems to have found some power somewhere.
I think the Mac is a far better package all round than the Ferrari at the moment. They should have it fairly easy in Monza, unless Ferrari can close the gap somehow.
Well if you look at Spa, the mac was really fast on the straight, not so in Valencia, but my gut feeling is that mac didn`t really nail the setup there.
Originally posted by D.M.N.
I think it's safe to say that both championships are now a two horse race. It seems like this will be decided in the International Court of Appeal (sadly). The weather could become a key factor, with low air pressure moving in and rain an outside possibilty. At this early stage, the weather sites are saying:
Weather Underground: Friday (20%), Saturday (None), Sunday (None).
Weather.com: Friday (50%), Saturday (30%), Sunday (30%).
MSN.com: Friday (65%), Saturday (95%), Sunday (95%).
IF it does rain for the race, PLEASE stewards DO NOT mess with the results.
Discuss.
I think it's safe to say that both championships are now a two horse race. It seems like this will be decided in the International Court of Appeal (sadly). The weather could become a key factor, with low air pressure moving in and rain an outside possibilty. At this early stage, the weather sites are saying:
Weather Underground: Friday (20%), Saturday (None), Sunday (None).
Weather.com: Friday (50%), Saturday (30%), Sunday (30%).
MSN.com: Friday (65%), Saturday (95%), Sunday (95%).
IF it does rain for the race, PLEASE stewards DO NOT mess with the results.
Discuss.
The weather has changed slightly from yesterday, with rain now moving in later in the weekend.
Weather Underground: Friday (None), Saturday (90%), Sunday (70%).
Weather.com: Friday (60%), Saturday (60%), Sunday (60%).
MSN.com: Friday (75%), Saturday (85%), Sunday (95%).
Food for thought:
Monza is the track in which Massa has his worse record currently. He never scored a point being 9th in 2005 and 2006, DNFed in 2002 and 2007, and was 12th in 2004. He has also never started from the front row. Last year he started from 3rd and the year before in 4th.
So, what do you expect for this race?
Monza is the track in which Massa has his worse record currently. He never scored a point being 9th in 2005 and 2006, DNFed in 2002 and 2007, and was 12th in 2004. He has also never started from the front row. Last year he started from 3rd and the year before in 4th.
So, what do you expect for this race?
Originally posted by DiStefano
http://weather.msn.com/tenday.aspx?wealoca...forecast:tenday
I know it's still early but 95% chance of rain on Saturday and Sunday!
1.Alonso
2.Massa
3.Kimi
Ham = DNF
http://weather.msn.com/tenday.aspx?wealoca...forecast:tenday
I know it's still early but 95% chance of rain on Saturday and Sunday!
1.Alonso
2.Massa
3.Kimi
Ham = DNF
Thats the best possible result for the chamionship standings.
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why does anyone think McLaren 1-2? It's an engine point and shoot track - I'd say if Ferrari don't 1-2 it'll be a massive surprise. Unless it rains. Then Hamilton must be favorite.
Why does anyone think McLaren 1-2? It's an engine point and shoot track - I'd say if Ferrari don't 1-2 it'll be a massive surprise. Unless it rains. Then Hamilton must be favorite.
According to rodlamas mclaren have a 25bhp advantage, so they should be favourites in all condition papi
Id imagine it would be a
Hamilton
Massa
Raikkonen/Kubica finish
Hamilton
Massa
Raikkonen/Kubica finish
looks like rain this weekend as well.. 60%-95% chance quoted on the usual sites...............
Finish line
1st Masai
2nd Krimi
3rd Robbo
4th Asturian
5th Kova
6th Sebbo I
7th Sebbo II
8th Webbo
9th Heidi
10th Jensen
11th och så vidare...
Carl Lewis hat keine Zeit! Time to f*** up!
1st Masai
2nd Krimi
3rd Robbo
4th Asturian
5th Kova
6th Sebbo I
7th Sebbo II
8th Webbo
9th Heidi
10th Jensen
11th och så vidare...
Carl Lewis hat keine Zeit! Time to f*** up!
Originally posted by Enkei
So much fans wanting Lewis not to finish. Surely they must be very bitter about the dominance he displayed in the closing laps of the Belgian GP. Afraid you Ferrari boys can't win on merit huh?
If Lewis collects another win at Monza, it will be ever so sweet
So much fans wanting Lewis not to finish. Surely they must be very bitter about the dominance he displayed in the closing laps of the Belgian GP. Afraid you Ferrari boys can't win on merit huh?
If Lewis collects another win at Monza, it will be ever so sweet
its more a feeling i think. no ones said he crashes off and destroys his own face.
im a fan of his, tho not fanatical or hugely lewis over anyone else, so just a feeling...
if lewis does win monza, then yeah, itll be sweet
Originally posted by peroa
Who is willing to take a bet?
I predict that one or both of the Ferrari drivers will cut one of the chicanes in Monza and will gain an advantage in the process of doing so.
Neither will get a penalty.
You heard it here first ...
Who is willing to take a bet?
I predict that one or both of the Ferrari drivers will cut one of the chicanes in Monza and will gain an advantage in the process of doing so.
Neither will get a penalty.
You heard it here first ...
And Hamilton will be penalised 10 grid places for being on the track at the same time as a Ferrari, and disturbing its air-flow. (And I'm a Ferrari fan, but I also think the Italians will do anything to help a Ferrari win)
What temperatures we should be expecting? It's pretty hot in Italy right now and forecasts are for even higher temps.
Originally posted by Ural
[B]Finish line
1st Masai
2nd Krimi
3rd Robbo
4th Asturian
5th Kova
6th Sebbo I
7th Sebbo II
8th Webbo
9th Heidi
10th Jensen
11th och så vidare...
Carl Lewis hat keine Zeit! Time to f*** up! [/B]
[B]Finish line
1st Masai
2nd Krimi
3rd Robbo
4th Asturian
5th Kova
6th Sebbo I
7th Sebbo II
8th Webbo
9th Heidi
10th Jensen
11th och så vidare...
Carl Lewis hat keine Zeit! Time to f*** up! [/B]
Good drugs.
Hamilton just needs to pray for rain, and McLaren needs to stop spending money on windtunnels and dynos and invest in lawyers.
We really need to stop all this technical talk and focus in on legal talent, this is F1.
sure??? i think hamilton will win, and i will be there to celebrate him...
Hi: 19°
Lo: 12°
With a 60-95% chance of rain showers.
Lo: 12°
With a 60-95% chance of rain showers.
Copied from Autosport Live:
I'm taking bets on neither Ferrari, McLaren nor BMW winning.
IF qualifying is wet, well
Wed 06:45
Monza and wet weather is a worrying combination, but one that Formula One is likely to see a lot of this weekend, as the sport moves towards round 14 of a season that is beginning to reach boiling point.
The initial forecast published on Monday, suggested that rain would be possible on Friday, with Saturday and Sunday mainly dry.
Since then, the forecasts have deteriorated considerably.
The GFS model pressure charts show that an area of low pressure will move much closer to Italy, and be more potent than originally thought. The consequences of this development will provide an alarming backdrop, to what was already guaranteed to be a highly charged weekend.
As you can see by scrolling through the pressure charts, a low pressure system is set to develop in north-west France early on Friday. It will deepen slightly and move south-east, towards Italy during the course of the weekend. Switching to the rainmap, the full extent of the rain associated with this low can be seen.
On Friday, the Formula One practice sessions are expected to escape with dry conditions prevailing, but only just. Later on, the showers and bands of heavy rain will arrive, soaking the track overnight.
Saturday and Sunday are widely expected to be very wet by most weather sources.Weather.com lead the way with a flat 60 percent chance of rain on all three days. Weather Underground are convinced, predicting a 90 percent chance of rain for Saturday and 70 percent for Sunday.
Local weather agencies are usually a better yardstick to guage wet forecasts by, as they tend to know their own climate in a more complete way than a mainstream forecast can give you. The percentages are equally high there as well. 3BMeteo forecast a 90 percent chance of rain on Friday night, with further rain expected on Saturday morning, Saturday night and throughout Sunday. Excite Italia suggest a 70 to 90 percent chance of rain across the weekend.
Temperatures are set to plummet as the low approaches. On Wednesday the maximum is expected to touch 30 degrees Celsius. By contrast, on Sunday the mercury may only peak at 17 degrees.
In summary, the forecast from Friday evening onwards is not good, and if the current predictions are maintained during the next 24 hours, concerns will quickly mount in the pitlane as low downforce meets low grip.
On Thursday we will take another detailed look at the weather ahead of the Friday practice sessions at Monza.
Monza and wet weather is a worrying combination, but one that Formula One is likely to see a lot of this weekend, as the sport moves towards round 14 of a season that is beginning to reach boiling point.
The initial forecast published on Monday, suggested that rain would be possible on Friday, with Saturday and Sunday mainly dry.
Since then, the forecasts have deteriorated considerably.
The GFS model pressure charts show that an area of low pressure will move much closer to Italy, and be more potent than originally thought. The consequences of this development will provide an alarming backdrop, to what was already guaranteed to be a highly charged weekend.
As you can see by scrolling through the pressure charts, a low pressure system is set to develop in north-west France early on Friday. It will deepen slightly and move south-east, towards Italy during the course of the weekend. Switching to the rainmap, the full extent of the rain associated with this low can be seen.
On Friday, the Formula One practice sessions are expected to escape with dry conditions prevailing, but only just. Later on, the showers and bands of heavy rain will arrive, soaking the track overnight.
Saturday and Sunday are widely expected to be very wet by most weather sources.Weather.com lead the way with a flat 60 percent chance of rain on all three days. Weather Underground are convinced, predicting a 90 percent chance of rain for Saturday and 70 percent for Sunday.
Local weather agencies are usually a better yardstick to guage wet forecasts by, as they tend to know their own climate in a more complete way than a mainstream forecast can give you. The percentages are equally high there as well. 3BMeteo forecast a 90 percent chance of rain on Friday night, with further rain expected on Saturday morning, Saturday night and throughout Sunday. Excite Italia suggest a 70 to 90 percent chance of rain across the weekend.
Temperatures are set to plummet as the low approaches. On Wednesday the maximum is expected to touch 30 degrees Celsius. By contrast, on Sunday the mercury may only peak at 17 degrees.
In summary, the forecast from Friday evening onwards is not good, and if the current predictions are maintained during the next 24 hours, concerns will quickly mount in the pitlane as low downforce meets low grip.
On Thursday we will take another detailed look at the weather ahead of the Friday practice sessions at Monza.
I'm taking bets on neither Ferrari, McLaren nor BMW winning.
IF qualifying is wet, well
I am quite sure that Mclaren has an big adavantage there!
Last year they used soft and medium and this year it is medium and hard. BTW is there any reason why Bridgestone chose to take harder tyres? It seems senseless to me. There was no problem last year with the soft and medium (like there was no problem at all in Spa last year with those tyres).
Just looked at the temperature. It will be 15-17°C. Too cold for Ferrari.
Last year they used soft and medium and this year it is medium and hard. BTW is there any reason why Bridgestone chose to take harder tyres? It seems senseless to me. There was no problem last year with the soft and medium (like there was no problem at all in Spa last year with those tyres).
Just looked at the temperature. It will be 15-17°C. Too cold for Ferrari.
Originally posted by hello86
I am quite sure that Mclaren has an big adavantage there!
Last year they used soft and medium and this year it is medium and hard. BTW is there any reason why Bridgestone chose to take harder tyres? It seems senseless to me. There was no problem last year with the soft and medium (like there was no problem at all in Spa last year with those tyres).
Just looked at the temperature. It will be 15-17°C. Too cold for Ferrari.
I am quite sure that Mclaren has an big adavantage there!
Last year they used soft and medium and this year it is medium and hard. BTW is there any reason why Bridgestone chose to take harder tyres? It seems senseless to me. There was no problem last year with the soft and medium (like there was no problem at all in Spa last year with those tyres).
Just looked at the temperature. It will be 15-17°C. Too cold for Ferrari.
i think the same...
where Bridgestone bring hard/medium mclaren is very fast, further monza should be a circuit suitable at mclaren... then i think we will see a new hockenheim...
Originally posted by hello86
I am quite sure that Mclaren has an big adavantage there!
Last year they used soft and medium and this year it is medium and hard. BTW is there any reason why Bridgestone chose to take harder tyres? It seems senseless to me. There was no problem last year with the soft and medium (like there was no problem at all in Spa last year with those tyres).
Just looked at the temperature. It will be 15-17°C. Too cold for Ferrari.
I am quite sure that Mclaren has an big adavantage there!
Last year they used soft and medium and this year it is medium and hard. BTW is there any reason why Bridgestone chose to take harder tyres? It seems senseless to me. There was no problem last year with the soft and medium (like there was no problem at all in Spa last year with those tyres).
Just looked at the temperature. It will be 15-17°C. Too cold for Ferrari.
It depends. It's about the drivers ability as well as the cars.
I'm sure I heard Kovalianens' retirement from Spa was gearbox....doesn't that get a grid penalty?
if its dry, mclaren dominance, if its wet, lewis dominance.
Originally posted by RacingMonk
I'm sure I heard Kovalianens' retirement from Spa was gearbox....doesn't that get a grid penalty?
I'm sure I heard Kovalianens' retirement from Spa was gearbox....doesn't that get a grid penalty?
I think its same as engine, you dont get penalised if you retire from the race.
Originally posted by Atreiu
I wonder how many times will we see pilots missing the braking points, cutting the chincanes and being penalized if it's wet...
I wonder how many times will we see pilots missing the braking points, cutting the chincanes and being penalized if it's wet...
Lots of cars missing braking points, lots of cars cutting chicanes, and only silver cars being penalised
Originally posted by Bogs
I see potmotr really doesn't like to treated like a child when he makes a childish statement.
I see potmotr really doesn't like to treated like a child when he makes a childish statement.
Most children don't.
Originally posted by kids like ash
if its dry, mclaren dominance, if its wet, lewis dominance.
if its dry, mclaren dominance, if its wet, lewis dominance.
I would say the opposite. If dry, Lewis dominates with Heikki nowhere, if it's wet even Heikki dominates the rest of the drivers.
Originally posted by Hames Junt
When was the last wet Monza race?
When was the last wet Monza race?
I don't think there's ever been one.
A practice or a qualifying session maybe, but not the race itself...
(hope it doesn't happen this weekend - the FIA/organizers/stewards would never be able to cope)
Originally posted by Enkei
So much fans wanting Lewis not to finish. Surely they must be very bitter about the dominance he displayed in the closing laps of the Belgian GP. Afraid you Ferrari boys can't win on merit huh?
If Lewis collects another win at Monza, it will be ever so sweet
So much fans wanting Lewis not to finish. Surely they must be very bitter about the dominance he displayed in the closing laps of the Belgian GP. Afraid you Ferrari boys can't win on merit huh?
If Lewis collects another win at Monza, it will be ever so sweet
I wonder if McLaren will be allowed to "compete" this weekend.
Originally posted by Hames Junt
When was the last wet Monza race?
When was the last wet Monza race?
1981 was the last time when rain (proper rain, not sprinkly) hit Monza. Quote from: http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/rr355.html
At the start Pironi made an exceptional start and he was fourth at the first chicane behind Prost, Reutemann and Arnoux. By the time the field arrived on the back straight Pironi was second. It did not last long Arnoux moved to second on the fifth lap and on lap six Laffite went to third (having overtaken Jones, Piquet and Reutemann). Villeneuve followed him but disappeared with turbo failure soon afterwards. Then Laffite began to drop back with a slow puncture and it began to rain! Jacques went off.
This left the two Renaults and the two Williams cars ahead but with a gap between them. Arnoux then went off at the Parabolica, swerving to avoid Eddie Cheever's abandoned Tyrrell and so Prost was left on his own.
There was then a huge accident at the Lesmo when Watson lost control of his MP4/1. It spun into the barriers and the engine was ripped from the tub. Watson emerged unhurt but the engine went across the road, causing Michele Alboreto to crash his Tyrrell. The next to arrive was Reutemann and he had to take to the grass and so he dropped behind Giacomelli. The Alfa driver was not in luck however and on lap 26 his Alfa went into the pits with his gearbox jammed. this put Piquet into third place behind Prost and Jones and it looked like staying that way until the last lap when his engine blew, which allowed Reutemann, de Angelis and Pironi to pass him. He picked up just one point and Reutemann moved three points ahead in the World Championship.
This left the two Renaults and the two Williams cars ahead but with a gap between them. Arnoux then went off at the Parabolica, swerving to avoid Eddie Cheever's abandoned Tyrrell and so Prost was left on his own.
There was then a huge accident at the Lesmo when Watson lost control of his MP4/1. It spun into the barriers and the engine was ripped from the tub. Watson emerged unhurt but the engine went across the road, causing Michele Alboreto to crash his Tyrrell. The next to arrive was Reutemann and he had to take to the grass and so he dropped behind Giacomelli. The Alfa driver was not in luck however and on lap 26 his Alfa went into the pits with his gearbox jammed. this put Piquet into third place behind Prost and Jones and it looked like staying that way until the last lap when his engine blew, which allowed Reutemann, de Angelis and Pironi to pass him. He picked up just one point and Reutemann moved three points ahead in the World Championship.
Ironically, a Renault won then. Maybe a sign of things to come this Sunday?
Looks a bad crash.
Meh, Lewis will be punished with a 20 grid positions penalty for putting ketchup on spagetti and bringing distaste into the sport.
Ferrari will set up the cars to run at ludicrous speed, but Kimi will manage to get his turned into a vacuum cleaner. He will score still fastest lap with it and finish in the points, tho.
Alonso will be able to ponder a new sense for life in the time it takes his Renault engine to reach the end of Monza's straights.
Piquet will continue testing Relativity by observing events happening at different speed relative to his teammate.
Barrichelo and Massa will cause a war between the brazillian gods of rain and sun. Hopefully someone will stop Webber's prays before they go wrong and it ends snowing.
Trulli will secretly paint red the white parts of his Toyota overnight, so he can get some attention at Monza.
Fisichella will let Ferrari lap him 20 times for the same reason. Then spin a fews times and go off track. Maybe attach some colorful helium balloons to his Force India. He will be caught once by the cameras.
Heidfeld secret twin will be discovered between the bushes with a BMW clone ready to jump in the track for 3rd at the last lap.
Hours after the race, someone among the public will realize that Button was actually racing, and will feel amazed.
Ferrari will set up the cars to run at ludicrous speed, but Kimi will manage to get his turned into a vacuum cleaner. He will score still fastest lap with it and finish in the points, tho.
Alonso will be able to ponder a new sense for life in the time it takes his Renault engine to reach the end of Monza's straights.
Piquet will continue testing Relativity by observing events happening at different speed relative to his teammate.
Barrichelo and Massa will cause a war between the brazillian gods of rain and sun. Hopefully someone will stop Webber's prays before they go wrong and it ends snowing.
Trulli will secretly paint red the white parts of his Toyota overnight, so he can get some attention at Monza.
Fisichella will let Ferrari lap him 20 times for the same reason. Then spin a fews times and go off track. Maybe attach some colorful helium balloons to his Force India. He will be caught once by the cameras.
Heidfeld secret twin will be discovered between the bushes with a BMW clone ready to jump in the track for 3rd at the last lap.
Hours after the race, someone among the public will realize that Button was actually racing, and will feel amazed.
Originally posted by Dark Monkey
Meh, Lewis will be punished with a 20 grid positions penalty for putting ketchup on spagetti and bringing distaste into the sport.
Ferrari will set up the cars to run at ludicrous speed, but Kimi will manage to get his turned into a vacuum cleaner. He will score still fastest lap with it and finish in the points, tho.
Alonso will be able to ponder a new sense for life in the time it takes his Renault engine to reach the end of Monza's straights.
Piquet will continue testing Relativity by observing events happening at different speed relative to his teammate.
Barrichelo and Massa will cause a war between the brazillian gods of rain and sun. Hopefully someone will stop Webber's prays before they go wrong and it ends snowing.
Trulli will secretly paint red the white parts of his Toyota overnight, so he can get some attention at Monza.
Fisichella will let Ferrari lap him 20 times for the same reason. Then spin a fews times and go off track. Maybe attach some colorful helium ballons to his Force India. He will be caught once by the cameras.
Heidfeld secret twin will be discovered between the bushes with a BMW clone ready to jump in the track for 3rd at the last lap.
Hours after the race, someone among the public will realize that Button was actually racing, and will feel amazed.
Meh, Lewis will be punished with a 20 grid positions penalty for putting ketchup on spagetti and bringing distaste into the sport.
Ferrari will set up the cars to run at ludicrous speed, but Kimi will manage to get his turned into a vacuum cleaner. He will score still fastest lap with it and finish in the points, tho.
Alonso will be able to ponder a new sense for life in the time it takes his Renault engine to reach the end of Monza's straights.
Piquet will continue testing Relativity by observing events happening at different speed relative to his teammate.
Barrichelo and Massa will cause a war between the brazillian gods of rain and sun. Hopefully someone will stop Webber's prays before they go wrong and it ends snowing.
Trulli will secretly paint red the white parts of his Toyota overnight, so he can get some attention at Monza.
Fisichella will let Ferrari lap him 20 times for the same reason. Then spin a fews times and go off track. Maybe attach some colorful helium ballons to his Force India. He will be caught once by the cameras.
Heidfeld secret twin will be discovered between the bushes with a BMW clone ready to jump in the track for 3rd at the last lap.
Hours after the race, someone among the public will realize that Button was actually racing, and will feel amazed.
Button could win.
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