Jacquesback
Sep 11 2008, 18:13
Why wasn't Kimi given a penalty for gaining an advantage by driving off track on the high grip runoff at Pouhon. He should receive a 10 grid penalty at Monza. Lewis also went off track but immediately made every effort to get back on track, Kimi on the other hand made absolutely no effort to get back on track and gained about six car lengths on Lewis.
Why no penalty or investigation?
Ricardo F1
Sep 11 2008, 18:14
Locked.
Jacquesback
Sep 11 2008, 18:15
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Locked.
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Ricardo F1
Sep 11 2008, 18:19
Jacquesback me mate, there's a million threads and this discussion has been in every one of them.
rolf123
Sep 11 2008, 18:25
simple. hamilton is a cheat. kimi is not. end of discussion.
Jacquesback
Sep 11 2008, 18:26
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Jacquesback me mate, there's a million threads and this discussion has been in every one of them.
As a seperate incident it really deserves it's own thread and discussion.
Enzo#1
Sep 11 2008, 18:32
Why do you start a new thread when there is a good number of them perfectly suited for that question?
Craven Morehead
Sep 11 2008, 18:48
lets just penalize all of them and get it over with. I'm sure the racing would be better if nobdy tries to pass for fear of being penailized.
Ricardo F1
Sep 11 2008, 18:51
Originally posted by Jacquesback
As a seperate incident it really deserves it's own thread and discussion.
Not really. It's all a bit irrelevant given he didn't finish the race. Neither driver did anything worthy of a penalty.
Lazarus II
Sep 11 2008, 18:52
When Kimi passed Lewis why weren't the yellow flags out for Rosbergs off? they sure should have been and therefore Kimi should have been required to give the position back.
Originally posted by Lazarus II
When Kimi passed Lewis why weren't the yellow flags out for Rosbergs off? they sure should have been and therefore Kimi should have been required to give the position back.
You can also draw a parallel with France 2002 Kimi v.s. Schumacher, yellow flags but Kimi was of the track and therefore Schumacher could overtake him, same here at Spa as far as I could see, Lewis was of the track when Kimi passed him.
Lazarus II
Sep 11 2008, 18:59
Originally posted by Mr G
You can also draw a parallel with France 2002 Kimi v.s. Schumacher, yellow flags but Kimi was of the track and therefore Schumacher could overtake him, same here at Spa as far as I could see, Lewis was of the track when Kimi passed him.
Why was Hamilton off track? because Rosberg was coming back on at an acute angle and Hamilton HAD to go off track to avoid him.
SchumiBoy
Sep 11 2008, 19:01
Originally posted by Lazarus II
Why was Hamilton off track? because Rosberg was coming back on at an acute angle and Hamilton HAD to go off track to avoid him.
Bad luck, doesn't mean that everybody else has to stop and wait for Hamilton
Jacquesback
Sep 11 2008, 19:04
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Not really. It's all a bit irrelevant given he didn't finish the race. Neither driver did anything worthy of a penalty.
So circumventing the rules is ok if you DNF? That doesn't make any sense. A rule is a rule and Kimi gained an advantage by driving off track through Pouhon. By definition of the rule he should receive a 10 grid penalty at Monza.
Lazarus II
Sep 11 2008, 19:07
Originally posted by SchumiBoy
Bad luck, doesn't mean that everybody else has to stop and wait for Hamilton
It's "bad luck" that the track marshalls were not waving yellow flags for the Rosberg incident
Lazarus II
Sep 11 2008, 19:09
Originally posted by Jacquesback
So circumventing the rules is ok if you DNF? That doesn't make any sense. A rule is a rule and Kimi gained an advantage by driving off track through Pouhon. By definition of the rule he should receive a 10 grid penalty at Monza.
That he gained an advantage through Pouhon is undeniable...unless you see the world through Kimi-colored glasses.
SchumiBoy
Sep 11 2008, 19:09
Originally posted by Lazarus II
It's "bad luck" that the track marshalls were not waving yellow flags for the Rosberg incident
They probably were, but no-passing doesn't apply to cars that are off the track
Lazarus II
Sep 11 2008, 19:13
Originally posted by SchumiBoy
They probably were, but no-passing doesn't apply to cars that are off the track
The point is that IF they were waving the yellow flags as they were REQUIRED to do, then Kimi & Lewis would have known that SOMETHING was amiss in the following corner. That notice could have prevented the accident that Kimi had and kept a great batlle alive for all us fans to watch to its conclusion.
steelyman
Sep 11 2008, 19:17
Originally posted by Jacquesback
Why wasn't Kimi given a penalty for gaining an advantage by driving off track on the high grip runoff at Pouhon. He should receive a 10 grid penalty at Monza. Lewis also went off track but immediately made every effort to get back on track, Kimi on the other hand made absolutely no effort to get back on track and gained about six car lengths on Lewis.
Why no penalty or investigation?
what exactly is the advantage here? didnt he take a route that was more distance than the actual track itself?
Kemmel
Sep 11 2008, 19:23
Both Kimi and Lewis ran wide
It would have been faster to stay on the track
Kimi did not overtake
So how the hell could he of gained an advantage?
Kimi did not finnish the race, so why would he get a penalty?
Craven Morehead
Sep 11 2008, 19:25
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Not really. It's all a bit irrelevant given he didn't finish the race. Neither driver did anything worthy of a penalty.

right on the money, honey. all these guys crying for more penalties makes me wonder why they watch racing. It was a great race and shouldn't have been meddled with by the stewards.
Lazarus II
Sep 11 2008, 19:28
Originally posted by Kemmel
Both Kimi and Lewis ran wide
It would have been faster to stay on the track
Kimi did not overtake
So how the hell could he of gained an advantage?
Kimi did not finnish the race, so why would he get a penalty?
I'd recommend rewatching the incident. Kimi stayed on the paved runoff (lewis came back on track as soon as possible over the curbing) and gained a tremendous amount of time back.
Dragonfly
Sep 11 2008, 19:30
Sorry but I think it's time our mods step in and put an end to these mushroom-after-rain like topics.
noikeee
Sep 11 2008, 20:19
I don't think Hamilton should've got a penalty, but suggesting this is even the same situation is taking the piss. One thing is overtaking someone through cutting a corner, another thing is to go all the way around on the outside of a corner.
Might as well say the driver gets an "advantage" everytime a car spins his way out of the track and is able to rejoin. But this whole "advantage" thing is pointless anyway.
Originally posted by Jacquesback
As a seperate incident it really deserves it's own thread and discussion.
It's time for you to stop crying. Grow up and sleep a couple of hours. Only doing so you will be able to see the reality (in a couple of years). But do not annoy the whole BB with your ignorant complaints. Please.
Scudetto
Sep 11 2008, 20:40
Originally posted by Lazarus II
Why was Hamilton off track? because Rosberg was coming back on at an acute angle and Hamilton HAD to go off track to avoid him.
So the real question is: "No penalty for Rosberg?"
The way he re-entered the track in front of Lewis and Kimi could have ended very, very poorly for all three of them.
Dragonfly
Sep 11 2008, 20:59
Somewhere on the official site I remember seeing Nakadjima as the man in the Williams there.
Enzo#1
Sep 11 2008, 21:07
The mods have to be drunk, asleep or on vacation otherwise this thread would be locked and merged.
wewantourdarbyback
Sep 11 2008, 22:08
I think I must be feeling Deja Vu here, seems like i've read this thread before
gerry nassar
Sep 11 2008, 22:17
Nothing wrong with the topic itself - but its been discussed in a number of existing threads. Please continue in one of those.
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