The LH - TG incident with Glock checking the grass grip
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hFiv9_3Lf8U
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Well Vettel just made my day for his dominant display in the STR, and for the "you can say we had the balls to do it". And some balls indeed. lol 
Great race by Kubica, Hamilton, Massa, Heidfeld, Alonso, and im sure im forgetting someone
Raikkonen was setup for a dry race obviously and once again he got the fastest lap in the final moments... (kimi, FL dont give points in f1, mate, dont forget that)
I didnt like that maneuver of Hamilton with Webber, but i dont think we need another penalty. but if RBR protest, they might have a case. might being the key word.
Hamilton was the most entertaining driver, but he was never really the quickest even if he overtook 5 or 6 cars. im just saying this to try to avoid ppl going orgasmic about him again. if there was a rainmaster today, it was a "rainmeister", if u know what i mean ;)
Great race by Kubica, Hamilton, Massa, Heidfeld, Alonso, and im sure im forgetting someone
Raikkonen was setup for a dry race obviously and once again he got the fastest lap in the final moments... (kimi, FL dont give points in f1, mate, dont forget that)
I didnt like that maneuver of Hamilton with Webber, but i dont think we need another penalty. but if RBR protest, they might have a case. might being the key word.
Hamilton was the most entertaining driver, but he was never really the quickest even if he overtook 5 or 6 cars. im just saying this to try to avoid ppl going orgasmic about him again. if there was a rainmaster today, it was a "rainmeister", if u know what i mean ;)
Originally posted by Dolph
He cant touch the white line under braking. That'd be suicide on a wet track. And that amount of room that Hamilton left for Webber is not reasonable when you are braking from 370 km/h on a wet track
He cant touch the white line under braking. That'd be suicide on a wet track. And that amount of room that Hamilton left for Webber is not reasonable when you are braking from 370 km/h on a wet track
Of course not, there is enogh space, so he doesn`t have too.
Originally posted by Dolph
He cant touch the white line under braking. That'd be suicide on a wet track. And that amount of room that Hamilton left for Webber is not reasonable when you are braking from 370 km/h on a wet track
He cant touch the white line under braking. That'd be suicide on a wet track. And that amount of room that Hamilton left for Webber is not reasonable when you are braking from 370 km/h on a wet track
Pedantic mode:
370km/h with the V8s? In the wet?
Try 330km/h max ;)
Originally posted by awake27
And will be interesting if Peter Windsor (if he even noticed) will say the same on the matter as on the Schumi-Alonso incident Silverstone 2003.
And will be interesting if Peter Windsor (if he even noticed) will say the same on the matter as on the Schumi-Alonso incident Silverstone 2003.
Yes, I thought of the same incident when Glock had to put two tyres on the grass.
It's the kind of incident which is harsh and probably unfair, but the stewards won't take any action as it can be considered "hard racing".
Originally posted by RuB
The LH - TG incident with Glock checking the grass grip
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hFiv9_3Lf8U
The LH - TG incident with Glock checking the grass grip
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hFiv9_3Lf8U
Agree a bit harsh, but can he see him?
I bet webbers car was damaged. He was clearly faster than hammy untill the incident. I wonder what he has to say about it. Very nice of Rider and Blundell to have a look at lewis squeezing webber and glock of the track and condemning it.
Originally posted by peroa
Of course not, there is enogh space, so he doesn`t have too.
Of course not, there is enogh space, so he doesn`t have too.
Tell me how this is 1.5 car widths
Kinda half joking here but Webber needs to get out of the way. Not for LH, but for ANYONE. He's a guy who will ruin anyone's drive. He can be 30 laps down and he'll impede progress to a fault. For laps on end. It's one thing if you're competing for points (yes, they always are; I know) but if a clearly faster driver who is fighting for podium should not be held up when you're putzing along in 10th. That was NOT the case today, however, as it was unlikely (short of a downpour 3 laps into LH's first pitstop). And it's a "masterful" maneuver (take the inside line and then veer outward before the other guy turns in). It won't always work and today it "didn't". The goal is not to have contact and they did. It looks like Webber turned into LH but what choice did he really have? Shades of last week. I'd like to see Webber in a better car because he is hardnosed and would make a very interesting guy to try to get around on days he's losing pace from the front.
Originally posted by Chui
I don't think there is any doubt who the quickest, most talented driver in F1.
I don't think there is any doubt who the quickest, most talented driver in F1.
I think there's a lot of doubt, actually. And until we see the candidates in better/more equal equpment, it's a tough one to call.
Something about Vettel's drive today made me think he'd annihilate the field in a Ferrari or a Mac.
Originally posted by EvilPhil II
Those Ferrari engines are very suspicious in the Toro Rosso. On more than 3 occasions when Vettel is exiting the first chicane and the pit box you can hear what sounds like the early traction control systems kicking in.
Those Ferrari engines are very suspicious in the Toro Rosso. On more than 3 occasions when Vettel is exiting the first chicane and the pit box you can hear what sounds like the early traction control systems kicking in.
Yep, I heard that too.........mentioned it many pages back........
Red Balls jr now third fastest...
FA 2 STR?? HP keep a'coming.
FA 2 STR?? HP keep a'coming.
Have you seen how Rosberg leaves space for others? That was a piece of sportsmanship.
Originally posted by NinjaMouse
Yep, I heard that too.........mentioned it many pages back........
Yep, I heard that too.........mentioned it many pages back........
Get a life. You think you can hear something the FIA can't detect?
btw, u guys noticed how coulthard just couldnt manage to finish the race without an incident while being overtaken? when will it stop? 
I wonder if LH was aware that Glock responded? We don't see Louie checking his mirrors as Glock exits the track...
I think Glock needs to discuss this with LH.
I think Glock needs to discuss this with LH.
Originally posted by EvilPhil II
Those Ferrari engines are very suspicious in the Toro Rosso. On more than 3 occasions when Vettel is exiting the first chicane and the pit box you can hear what sounds like the early traction control systems kicking in.
Those Ferrari engines are very suspicious in the Toro Rosso. On more than 3 occasions when Vettel is exiting the first chicane and the pit box you can hear what sounds like the early traction control systems kicking in.
I wouldn't read too much into it. The cars make such a racket and the on-board mics aren't the best to cope with 130dB+ at those frequencies.
Originally posted by Cenotaph
btw, u guys noticed how coulthard just couldnt manage to finish the race without an incident while being overtaken? when will it stop?
btw, u guys noticed how coulthard just couldnt manage to finish the race without an incident while being overtaken? when will it stop?
Yep, DC has balls
Originally posted by Dolph
And that amount of room that Hamilton left for Webber is not reasonable when you are braking from 370 km/h on a wet track
A car's width is enough room. And Webber had a car's width.
And that amount of room that Hamilton left for Webber is not reasonable when you are braking from 370 km/h on a wet track
Hamilton was entitled to move back towards the outside before turn in, we saw car after car after car do that today.
Webber was far enough alongise (i.e. more than half a car's length) to expect to be given a car's width of room. He got given it. If he didn't make proper use of it, that's his problem.
Originally posted by ClubmanGT
Tell me how this is 1.5 car widths
Tell me how this is 1.5 car widths
Even then they touched wheels wtf was lewis thinking if he is even thinking?
Originally posted by TickTickBooom
I think there's a lot of doubt, actually. And until we see the candidates in better/more equal equpment, it's a tough one to call.
Something about Vettel's drive today made me think he'd annihilate the field in a Ferrari or a Mac.
I think there's a lot of doubt, actually. And until we see the candidates in better/more equal equpment, it's a tough one to call.
Something about Vettel's drive today made me think he'd annihilate the field in a Ferrari or a Mac.
FIA(t) may wish to check the ECU of the STR... they won't, of course.
Originally posted by Deeq
Even then they touched wheels wtf was lewis thinking if he is even thinking?
Even then they touched wheels wtf was lewis thinking if he is even thinking?
Watch the video, not just one pic ...
Originally posted by TickTickBooom
Get a life. You think you can hear something the FIA can't detect?
Get a life. You think you can hear something the FIA can't detect?
Got a life thanks.
Maybe you are deaf? Go and listen to when he first leaves the pits after his first stop........I heard something "like" traction" control...and as I said, I mentioned it a few pages back.......
Originally posted by EvilPhil II
Those Ferrari engines are very suspicious in the Toro Rosso. On more than 3 occasions when Vettel is exiting the first chicane and the pit box you can hear what sounds like the early traction control systems kicking in.
Those Ferrari engines are very suspicious in the Toro Rosso. On more than 3 occasions when Vettel is exiting the first chicane and the pit box you can hear what sounds like the early traction control systems kicking in.
Couldn't it be just the rev-limiter that kicks in due to super wheelsping?
Originally posted by Gareth
A car's width is enough room. And Webber had a car's width.
Hamilton was entitled to move back towards the outside before turn in, we saw car after car after car do that today.
Webber was far enough alongise (i.e. more than half a car's length) to expect to be given a car's width of room. He got given it. If he didn't make proper use of it, that's his problem.
A car's width is enough room. And Webber had a car's width.
Hamilton was entitled to move back towards the outside before turn in, we saw car after car after car do that today.
Webber was far enough alongise (i.e. more than half a car's length) to expect to be given a car's width of room. He got given it. If he didn't make proper use of it, that's his problem.
But since it was Hamilton, its
Originally posted by Gareth
Webber was far enough alongise (i.e. more than half a car's length) to expect to be given a car's width of room. He got given it. If he didn't make proper use of it, that's his problem.
Webber was far enough alongise (i.e. more than half a car's length) to expect to be given a car's width of room. He got given it. If he didn't make proper use of it, that's his problem.
The fact that Webber was right on the white line and still got hit clearly indicates he was not given a car's width.
Originally posted by Chui
FIA(t) may wish to check the ECU of the STR... they won't, of course.
FIA(t) may wish to check the ECU of the STR... they won't, of course.
And why would they do that?
Originally posted by ClubmanGT
The fact that Webber was right on the white line and still got hit clearly indicates he was not given a car's width.
The fact that Webber was right on the white line and still got hit clearly indicates he was not given a car's width.
Did you watch the video? WHo turned into who?
Originally posted by ClubmanGT
Maybe you should check out this year's Hockenheim race, where Lewis ran two cars off the road at the hairpin even though he was clearly faster and didn't need to.
You Lewis fanboys need to make up your mind. Either he didn't move over, and he's innocent, or he did and it's OK because everyone else was a bully to him first.
Maybe you should check out this year's Hockenheim race, where Lewis ran two cars off the road at the hairpin even though he was clearly faster and didn't need to.
You Lewis fanboys need to make up your mind. Either he didn't move over, and he's innocent, or he did and it's OK because everyone else was a bully to him first.
And you bashers need to make up your minds when its ok for other drivers but wrong when Lewis does it.
Originally posted by Scotracer
I wouldn't read too much into it. The cars make such a racket and the on-board mics aren't the best to cope with 130dB+ at those frequencies.
I wouldn't read too much into it. The cars make such a racket and the on-board mics aren't the best to cope with 130dB+ at those frequencies.
The sounds from his first pit stop came from a high TV camera.........and it did have a familiar "blip blip blip blilp" sound to the engine.......
I'd like to see his first pit exit again, with good sound......
Originally posted by Deeq
Even then they touched wheels wtf was lewis thinking if he is even thinking?
Even then they touched wheels wtf was lewis thinking if he is even thinking?
Winning. Even when it was "impossible"? Making up as much ground as possible since he rightfully feels he was robbed last week?
BTW, I like the clarification of the rules. LH should not have been penalized for shining a light on how poorly written it was.
I'd have passed out had he pinched me like that in the rain. I have "mad respect" for all of the drivers out there.
Originally posted by ClubmanGT
The fact that Webber was right on the white line and still got hit clearly indicates he was not given a car's width.
The fact that Webber was right on the white line and still got hit clearly indicates he was not given a car's width.
He got hit when he turned in with Hamilton right beside him. You can clearly see it on the video.
Originally posted by Chui
Winning. Even when it was "impossible"? Making up as much ground as possible since he rightfully feels he was robbed last week?
Winning. Even when it was "impossible"? Making up as much ground as possible since he rightfully feels he was robbed last week?
he didn't get robbed
if any, he was let easy today as miss hamilton would have started to cry if he was called today to calm down his bonehead moves. touched 2 drivers and pushed one off track..classy
I think Lewis was so slow in his third stint because he pushed too hard in his first laps with wet tyres.
On the contrary, Alonso was faster than Heidfeld, Massa and Hamilton because in his first laps with his tyres it was still pretty wet (he was the first or the second driver to try wet tyres) and he didn't overdrive his car.
There have been other races where this has happened to other drivers (being very slow with wet tyres).
On the contrary, Alonso was faster than Heidfeld, Massa and Hamilton because in his first laps with his tyres it was still pretty wet (he was the first or the second driver to try wet tyres) and he didn't overdrive his car.
There have been other races where this has happened to other drivers (being very slow with wet tyres).
Even Martin Brundle was luke-warm on Hamiltons move.. .Put it this way - there were all sorts of passes and attempted passes into that corner - Webber and LH were the only ones to touch - what this suggests is that all the other drivers on the inside line gave more space.
I don't think that LH did anything illegal (though if it had caused an accident he'd be nailed for causing an avoidable...) but I do think that if he continues to make these sorts of moves it will, in the end, bite him.
I don't think that LH did anything illegal (though if it had caused an accident he'd be nailed for causing an avoidable...) but I do think that if he continues to make these sorts of moves it will, in the end, bite him.
Originally posted by NinjaMouse
Got a life thanks.
Maybe you are deaf? Go and listen to when he first leaves the pits after his first stop........I heard something "like" traction" control...and as I said, I mentioned it a few pages back.......
Got a life thanks.
Maybe you are deaf? Go and listen to when he first leaves the pits after his first stop........I heard something "like" traction" control...and as I said, I mentioned it a few pages back.......
No, but maybe all the stewards and other teams are deaf because they obviously can't hear what you think you heard.
You should e-mail Ron Dennis. Imagine what he'd do for you if you were the one to give him the info that got Ferrari removed from Formula One.
Originally posted by ClubmanGT
The fact that Webber was right on the white line and still got hit clearly indicates he was not given a car's width.
The pic in this thread is post contact, not before.
The fact that Webber was right on the white line and still got hit clearly indicates he was not given a car's width.
Webber had a car's width when they collided, they hit because Webber twitched right.
Originally posted by MikeTekRacing
he didn't get robbed
if any, he was let easy today as miss hamilton would have started to cry if he was called today to calm down his bonehead moves. touched 2 drivers and pushed one off track..classy
he didn't get robbed
if any, he was let easy today as miss hamilton would have started to cry if he was called today to calm down his bonehead moves. touched 2 drivers and pushed one off track..classy
Well, you call it as you see it. The rules as written does not warrant the penalty. And Coulthard claimed to have had the same done to him but since he was nowhere near challenging FIA(t) nothing was done.
Originally posted by lokiman
He got hit when he turned in with Hamilton right beside him. You can clearly see it on the video.
He got hit when he turned in with Hamilton right beside him. You can clearly see it on the video.
Ok, so he should continue being forced out wide. Ok.
I have no problem with calling other drivers on this. It's dangerous and it's too much. Lewis got hard done by last week, but this is a very unsavoury aspect of his racing style that could end up with someone getting really badly hurt one day. As long we're crippling the spectacle of the sport through safety measures, we need to make sure our drivers don't act like dolts and make it all for naut.
Originally posted by TickTickBooom
No, but maybe all the stewards and other teams are deaf because they obviously can't hear what you think you heard.
You should e-mail Ron Dennis. Imagine what he'd do for you if you were the one to give him the info that got Ferrari removed from Formula One.
No, but maybe all the stewards and other teams are deaf because they obviously can't hear what you think you heard.
You should e-mail Ron Dennis. Imagine what he'd do for you if you were the one to give him the info that got Ferrari removed from Formula One.
FIA(t) would never throw Agnelli's play thing out of F1. Never.
Originally posted by TickTickBooom
No, but maybe all the stewards and other teams are deaf because they obviously can't hear what you think you heard.
You should e-mail Ron Dennis. Imagine what he'd do for you if you were the one to give him the info that got Ferrari removed from Formula One.
No, but maybe all the stewards and other teams are deaf because they obviously can't hear what you think you heard.
You should e-mail Ron Dennis. Imagine what he'd do for you if you were the one to give him the info that got Ferrari removed from Formula One.
Instead of hoaving a cow....why don't you go and listen to it?
I'm GLAD Vettle won....I think he is great.........and have said so previously........chil the fk out man.......
Others heard it too, and I heard a similar sound yesterday from Massas car as he went through a chicane....and mentioend that also,....
As someone above has said, maybe it was the rev limiter kicking in........but the sound reminded me of TC......
OK? Jesus..calm down....lol.
Originally posted by MikeTekRacing
he didn't get robbed
if any, he was let easy today as miss hamilton would have started to cry if he was called today to calm down his bonehead moves. touched 2 drivers and pushed one off track..classy
he didn't get robbed
if any, he was let easy today as miss hamilton would have started to cry if he was called today to calm down his bonehead moves. touched 2 drivers and pushed one off track..classy
Who are you and what have you done with the ardent Schumacher fan who normally posts under this name?
Originally posted by ClubmanGT
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Ok, so he should continue being forced out wide. Ok.
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Ok, so he should continue being forced out wide. Ok.
No, he should have backed off. He had a car directly beside him and bizarrely decided to turn into it.
Could someone start a poll? SHould lewis be punished for dangerous driving (again) at monza?
- Glock incident
- Webber incident
- he also cut alonso off on the straight.
- Glock incident
- Webber incident
- he also cut alonso off on the straight.
Originally posted by ClubmanGT
Ok, so he should continue being forced out wide. Ok.
I have no problem with calling other drivers on this. It's dangerous and it's too much. Lewis got hard done by last week, but this is a very unsavoury aspect of his racing style that could end up with someone getting really badly hurt one day. As long we're crippling the spectacle of the sport through safety measures, we need to make sure our drivers don't act like dolts and make it all for naut.
Ok, so he should continue being forced out wide. Ok.
I have no problem with calling other drivers on this. It's dangerous and it's too much. Lewis got hard done by last week, but this is a very unsavoury aspect of his racing style that could end up with someone getting really badly hurt one day. As long we're crippling the spectacle of the sport through safety measures, we need to make sure our drivers don't act like dolts and make it all for naut.
The moment they touch Hammy is turning into the corner ...
Webber was trying to avoid going to the grass and was trying to make the curve, of course he turned right. Hamilton was the one that change sides while braking, which is one of those things all drivers agree you can't do. dont try to put this on Webber, Hamilton was too aggressive and in a close to illegal way.
But i doubt RBR will protest that, so there's nothing more to discuss here. its over, move on and start prainsing the guy that one a race in a Toro Rosso, instead of discussing those ridiculous fights for points of backmarkers like Hamilton and Webber.
But i doubt RBR will protest that, so there's nothing more to discuss here. its over, move on and start prainsing the guy that one a race in a Toro Rosso, instead of discussing those ridiculous fights for points of backmarkers like Hamilton and Webber.
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