So after a bad qualifying yesterday, Hammy is the only driver who overtook so many cars today in the race. Eventhough he didn't win the race but he managed to minimize the damage by only losing a single point to Massa who started from P6 while Hamilton makes his way up from P15.

So much whiners in the live thread. Guess they don't like overtaking (or is it they don't like Hamilton)?

Would be good to know what he'd have done in a Ferrari today.

Hamilton Overtaking School starts from today.

If it wasn't for Lewis F1 wouldn't be worth watching, at almost every race it is him either doing the most overtaking or atleast attempting, people might not like his personality be he is the most exciting driver in F1.

The McLaren is the best in the wet. Even crappy Kovalainen brought in back home in 2nd.

He sure has the balls... but someday it ll hurt someone bigtime. He pulled some DANGEROUS moves today

F1 may be boring but not that boring. Were you born yesterday?

Lewis relied on other yielding to His Holiness. He did not show balls but arrogance

Like Senna, MS, Alonso, yes?

I see double standards on the horizon again.

It was rather painfull to watch. No one could do anything about him coming through like in a half lap at max.

Like I should´ve liked those guys´ruthlessness either? Lewis is brilliant no doubt but he should wait a minute (like a title or two) b4 trash-talking and trash-driving others. I´ve told before that I really would like to like LH but he makes is damn hard (pretty much the same scenario with USA, who are basicly likeable but with arrogant politics as he**).

senna - yes
ms- yes

alonso - no...alonso never behaved like that in a race!

Today other drivers backed down. In future, someone might say "Hmm...it's LEwis again. Let him back off a bit."

And Lewis won't. And we'll have a thousand-post thread on this forum.

Spot the odd one out there.

Senna
Schumacher
Alonso
Hamilton.

I'll give you a hint. Three of them are multiple championship winners, and the other hasn't won a single championship. If you are going to be as arrogant as saint Lewis, you should at least win ONCE first.

Yep, whereas the Ferrari looks strong in mixed conditions. Today was all about WHEN it stopped to rain. In full wet conditions Lewis had the car, the setup, etc. In drying/mixed conditions, Kimi was flying. Both were damn fast when the car allowed them to be, and "ok" when conditions weren´t good for their car/setup.

People need to understand it is not like Hamilton found 2 secs per lap from nowhere, only to LOSE 2 seconds per lap later, to Kimi who in his turn showed amazing speed. This isn´t witchcraft.

I DID offer "alternative" version in race thread:



Sounds more believable, huh?

NO.
He has a couple of nuts in a sack.

Lewis is just fantastic. As far as I'm concerned, he has brought F1 to life again. His overtaking moves are spectacular...my heart is in my mouth watching him. Those who criticise him obviously like to watch processional bores like Valencia. Well I don't...I prefer what we have seen today. Yes, Lewis does remind me of MS...but he reminds me even more of Ayrton Senna. And I never thought I would say that!

Lewis...

He put on an exhibition for the other 19 drivers to learn from.

All I spot is your bias.

Does that also apply to Alonso?

As when he won both his WDC he was the best wet weather driver out there, he was doing what Lewis was doing, that was all down to the Renault then?

No, Alonso saves it for practice sessions and testing ...

Hey maybe i have the solution to this lewis and overtaking complaints. He should copy the driving style of kimi. Sit back, relax and when is two laps to go, get the fastest lap accolades and if it doesn't work ring max to put the silver in its place. Some people never cease to amaze

It depends from where you watch it. Actually this weekend was McLaren+Hamilton weather. Plus Monza, where McLaren creamed Ferrari last year. Plus Ferrari struggling on wet track.

And at the end Massa got closer to Hamilton in the WDC...

Wow, are you truly that blind??

Q: Does Hammilton really have Balls?
A: Yes.

Q: Does Hamilton have the Balls?
A: To do what exactly? Sex?

I think you need to work on your comprehension seeing as though you completely replied to a post out of context, making your own post completely irrelevant.

As someone mentioned, Balls should go on AS text replacement list, eg balls => flowers

whiner

Well I don't know if Hamilton and Kova had different set ups or what, but compare what they did in the race. Hamilton finishes 17 seconds behind despite having an unscheduled stop and having to fight through traffic.

If it's all the car, then what on earth is Kovalainen doing?

If only it had rainen a bit more at the middle part of the race, we'd have had a fantastic fight between Vettel and Lewis, because they were pretty much a class apart.

Really. His car was much faster than many of the rivals. But when it counted (Massa, Heidfeld, Alonso, Kubica) instead of overtaking a single one he had to defend from Webber being faster than him. What do you want to learn from that? That his team mate with the same car came second and he was seventh?
Those are facts and not your wet dreams.

say again?

Lewis was great today, but did he actually during the entire race ever set the fastest lap? how can he be schooling the other 19 when he was never the fastest? Do ppl already have the complete lap times so i can confirm this?

Its easy to put on a passing-frenzy display at Monza when your car is easily more than 1 sec faster than the rest of the field. The Mc looked on rails, specially under breaking. It was too easy.

But, lets remember Barrichello in his maiden win for Ferrari at Hockenheim. I dont remember Rubinho having to bang wheels in his way. Hamilton just crosses the line, many times, in a clumsy banzai-style typical of his youthful arrogance.


BTW, if Lewis really has bigger balls than the rest, why didnt he try to pass Massa at the end.

Lap 38

Ok Lewis has no flowers then

He has some big cojones no doubt. But I am surprised he has not been warned by the stewards for dangerous driving. No I am dead serious -

1. Putting Glock off the track onto wet grass at 120mph.
2. Chopping in front of Alonso - unnecessary and totally intentional.
3. Weaving in the braking zone while defending from Webber - ultimately hitting him off the track.


Plus he was one of the drivers who was always cutting the second part of the turn 2 chicane with both wheels inside the kerb lining. A lot of drivers did that and I am surprised they let it happen. Lewis was riding the rumble stripes all the time .


He is fabulous driver. I think he is the best in F1. But - this is dangerous driving. In two weeks he has gone from being a hero to a total tosser for me. He was again brilliant in the wet but he it crossing the limit.

i think kimi is the best in mostly dry(ing) on inters track condition
lewis reminds me of zinardi or montoya in CART actully. and greg moore

At the beginning of the race Hamilton's pace was very poor. I was shocked at the beginning that he is so slow. Apparently, MP-23 isn't working good when there's a lot of water.

Once the track started to dry Hamilton started to race faster. He was flying over the kerbs and that shows how greatly McLaren car is balanced in comparison to others in low grip conditions. Their car & Toro-Rosso are allmighty in those conditions I must say.

And I still can't believe why McLaren want to keep Kovalainen...

I wonder what will Glock & Webber say after the race about the incidents.

How many people did his competitors overtake?

Facts are facts, but you manipulate them pretty poorly.

How many times have his competitors had faster cars than the people they raced, yet were not able to overtake, regardless of conditions being wet or dry (over the course of the season... not just this race)?

Heikki couldn't do it... and all he had to do was pass a Torro Rosso

Nice

Today shows just how much set up and car characteristics influence performance in those conditions.

Don't know if true or not.

Lewis said he was taking it easy the first laps, letting himself get up to speed on the track

Plus he did have a full tank



Heikki's perfect I think, a Rubens number two, good but never going to threaten.



Spurnout, are you going to answer the Alonso question, when he was fastest in the wet in his WDC years was that down to the Renault?

Maybe, but in this case it´s more down to car. I don´t belive in Lewis going from 2 secs faster to 2 secs slower in few minutes, without car/setup difference. As I pointed out earlier...it even makes sense: higher tyre temps -> good at rain, as too low tyre temps are the issue for pretty much everyone. Lower tyre temps -> good at drying conditions, as inters/wets literally melt away. Now compare Ferrari & McLaren tyre problems this year...bingo.

Sure he does-and he's a good driver too, but he's also got a McLaren-widely considered to be the best car in the wet and over the kurbs. He put on a great show today, but I could easily say, based on quali that all he's really got is a big mouth. Mr. "I can feel the grip" couldn't manage to improve his time at the end of Q2 yesterday while Felipe Massa, considered by the "experts" around here to be a waste of a seat, especially in the rain, in a car that's not particularily good in the wet, did improve his time.

Maybe Massa's got the balls. He sure doesn't have the arrogance-that's refreshing and it makes it easy to root for him, too.

You tell me. Was he 2 secs faster before + after 2005-06?

Look 3 races back, he said Sutil should have stopped and made way for him in the pits.

Even though he may have had the best car on the grid, no doubt Lewis drove well and made the back end of the grid exciting.


BUT, and a big but, I find some of his moves troublesome; like pushing off Timo Glock and the unnecessary clash with Webber. He is one of the best on the grid right now and he has the best car on the grid so he really didnt have to do those moves. And its not just today, in my opinion he's still at many times just too aggressive. I'm not saying he should taxi the car around and wait for others to get out of the way a la Jenson, but should show some more clean racing.

Lewis has got balls from the same factory that produced balls for G. Vill, Mansell and Montoya.

They are as big as beach balls.