molive
Sep 18 2008, 01:33
Williams, Toyota, BMW or Toro Rosso have offered Bruno a job for next year, but we dont know exactly what kind.
"Já poderíamos fechar um contrato hoje, mas ainda estou procurando algo melhor. Quero ser piloto oficial e não de testes. Willians, Toyota, BMW e Toro Rosso já me fizeram propostas. Mas ainda estou estudando e negociando", disse o piloto.
We could already sign a contract today, but I'm stil looking for something better. I want to be an official driver, and not a tester. Williams, BMW, Toyota and Toro Rosso have made offers. But, I'm still studying and negotiating.
"O mercado ainda está um pouco confuso. Então é preciso ter calma para fazer a escolha certa e conseguir as melhores condições".
The driver market is still a bit confusing. So, we have to be calm to make the right choice and get the best conditions.
"Não quero chegar de qualquer jeito. A GP2 é a melhor categoria de acesso à F-1. Então, se não rolar uma ida à F-1 da forma que eu espero, é na GP2 que seguirei correndo", completou.
I dont want to arrive in F1 in whatever way. The GP2 is the best feeder to F1. So, if it doesnt happen in F1 the way I want, GP2 is where I'll keep racing.
So, offers have been made, but Bruno seems quite confident he will get to F1, and that he can get a driver role intead of a tester job.
Imo, a team like Toyota would be perfect. They have wades of cash to spend, the Senna name is huge in Japan, and they sell a lot of Corollas in Brazil.
DiStefano
Sep 18 2008, 01:48
iSport
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Merc
molive
Sep 18 2008, 02:09
Originally posted by DiStefano
or Merc
Who knows, if Heikki doesnt up his game...;)
Atreiu
Sep 18 2008, 02:16
Toro Rosso seems as a team smal enough to not crush him under pressure from the word go, but also organized and competent enough to allow you to develop through the season, ergo Vettel and Bourdais. Of course they are on a high now and it can cloud my judgement, but that's how I feel.
If he only gets a testing contract, then he should race in GP2 for another year as well, IMO.
pingu666
Sep 18 2008, 02:22
why not IRL ?
SeanValen
Sep 18 2008, 03:58
Originally posted by molive
Who knows, if Heikki doesnt up his game...;)
Senna name back at Mclaren
Lewis with the yellow helmet on
And you got Senna back with his yellow helmet

almost.
Spooky
lustigson
Sep 18 2008, 07:29
A year's worth of testing might not be too bad for Bruno Senna Lalli, I reckon.
Clatter
Sep 18 2008, 08:40
Originally posted by lustigson
A year's worth of testing might not be too bad for Bruno Senna Lalli, I reckon.
I've never been a fan of the spend a year testing route as I believe the best way to learn racing is to race, and with the current testing limits I really think the value of being a test driver is limited.
Buttoneer
Sep 18 2008, 10:42
I agree clatter. testing days are mostly used by the race drivers these days. If he can't come in and race then he shouldn't come in.
Perhaps we can get rid of one old name for another and he can replace Piquet?
wewantourdarbyback
Sep 18 2008, 11:10
I wouldn't mind seeing him replace Nakajima, but i suspect that's doubtful.
Clatter
Sep 18 2008, 11:16
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
I wouldn't mind seeing him replace Nakajima, but i suspect that's doubtful.
Hasnt he already been confirmed for next year?
He will probably go to Toro Rosso, Williams could happen, BMW maybe if they really want somebody else than Alonso to replace Heidfield, Renault I don't think they want two brazilians, big names tough, Toyota they seem to be going at the right direction with their current drivers, Mclaren I can see it happening, but not as his first team. Who ever gives him his first test drive, will give us a big sign to where he will be driving. I find it strange why he hasn't got a test drive yet if he wants to be in F1 next season. I hope he gets it soon!
wewantourdarbyback
Sep 18 2008, 11:23
Originally posted by Clatter
Hasnt he already been confirmed for next year?
But what does that mean in this day and age?
lustigson
Sep 18 2008, 11:24
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
But what does that mean in this day and age?
Exactly. One F. Alonso Díaz was confirmed at McLaren for 2008 and '09...
Perigee
Sep 18 2008, 11:25
Would he really go to the team that killed his uncle?
aditya-now
Sep 18 2008, 11:26
If Alonso stays at Renault, Senna will go to BMW/Torro Rosso, Heidfeld at Torro Rosso/BMW.
If Alonso goes to BMW, Heidfeld will go to Renault, Senna to Torro Rosso.
These are outrageously wild guesses on my part, but that´s the fun of it.
Bourdais should stay at Torro Rosso in any case, I hope they keep him.
A Senna should always stay away from Williams!
wewantourdarbyback
Sep 18 2008, 11:26
Originally posted by Perigee
Would he really go to the team that killed his uncle?
You really want to get into that false allegation?
Buttoneer
Sep 18 2008, 11:37
Originally posted by aditya-now
A Senna should always stay away from Williams!
Agree, but this is B Senna.
molive
Sep 18 2008, 12:35
Originally posted by Clatter
I've never been a fan of the spend a year testing route as I believe the best way to learn racing is to race, and with the current testing limits I really think the value of being a test driver is limited.
It hasnt killed Massa's career, though.
Originally posted by molive
It hasnt killed Massa's career, though.
There wasn`t a testing limit in 2003, now was there ...
tahadar
Sep 18 2008, 12:43
Originally posted by Perigee
Would he really go to the team that killed his uncle?
you should probably restate that; williams were absolved of all charges.
Clatter
Sep 18 2008, 12:58
Originally posted by molive
It hasnt killed Massa's career, though.
Never said it did, but did it make him a better driver? And as has already been pointed out there was no mileage limit.
postajegenye
Sep 18 2008, 13:01
I think he will be a test driver.
Earthling
Sep 18 2008, 13:03
Doesnt anybody want to state that Renault powered the Williams FW16 too?
C'mon guys.... keep up with all the options about A. Senna's death.
Any1 know where the carbon fiber or the steel rods and whatnot were made too?
Perigee
Sep 18 2008, 13:14
Originally posted by tahadar
you should probably restate that; williams were absolved of all charges.
Can of worms, anyone...?
But was there ever a clear, definitive, cause given for the crash?
And wasn't OJ absolved too?
lustigson
Sep 18 2008, 13:35
Originally posted by Perigee
And wasn't OJ absolved too?
Yes, but Williams were absolved by a professional judge, while mr. Simpson was 'absolved' by a jury.
Now back on topic? ;-)
connerz
Sep 18 2008, 13:37
I haven't really been impressed by him. He can only do himself a disservice by entering too early.
lustigson
Sep 18 2008, 13:39
Originally posted by connerz
He can only do himself a disservice by entering too early.
My thoughts exactly. Hence my remark about a year of testing above. Although I also understand the remarks about testing limit et al.
Perigee
Sep 18 2008, 13:42
Originally posted by lustigson
Now back on topic? ;-)
Yeah, probably for the best
molive
Sep 18 2008, 14:01
Originally posted by connerz
I haven't really been impressed by him. He can only do himself a disservice by entering too early.
IRRC he only has 4 years of racing experience. I'd say that doing stuff "too early" hasn't been a problem for Bruno. His learning curve has been absolutely steep.
Ricardo F1
Sep 18 2008, 14:11
Stay in GP2, test for someone.
molive
Sep 18 2008, 14:27
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Stay in GP2, test for someone.
I'd say that's probably the most sensible decision. BUT, this is F1, and perfect timing and bad/good decisions can make or break one's career. A good offer now could not happen again next year.
Anyway, it looks like he's being well advised and should decide soon what is best for him, given the choices he's facing.
Henri Greuter
Sep 18 2008, 14:39
Originally posted by molive
I'd say that's probably the most sensible decision. BUT, this is F1, and perfect timing and bad/good decisions can make or break one's career. A good offer now could not happen again next year.
Anyway, it looks like he's being well advised and should decide soon what is best for him, given the choices he's facing.
Do you really think that, after watching the GP2 season, that he really deserves an F1 ride?
Or for that matter, any other of the GP2 drivers of this season?
One of the red Bull hotshots (Horner?) indicated such in an interview he had with Duthc TV commentators last Sunday at Italy.
Henri
Ricardo F1
Sep 18 2008, 15:17
Originally posted by molive
A good offer now could not happen again next year.
Is he going to get one this year?
lustigson
Sep 18 2008, 15:24
Originally posted by Henri Greuter
One of the red Bull hotshots (Horner?) indicated such in an interview he had with Duthc TV commentators last Sunday at Italy.
It was Horner, I believe, yes. He did have point. Striking is that the guy who eventually won the championship, being Giorgio Pantano, has been in the series for 4 (!) years, while he had almost a full season of F1 before, AND 3 more years of F3000 before that.
If I had to pick my driver from the current GP2 pack, I'd consider Senna, though. If he wouldn't prove to be the real deal, he'd at least be very marketable, I guess.
I'd look very seriously at Lucas Di Grassi, too. He missed 6 races early in the season and still came in third, 1 point adrift from Senna in 2nd, and 13 points behind Pantano.
Other names that look promising, are Romain Grosjean, Pastor Maldonado and Alvaro Parente.
(By the way, both Di Grassi and Grosjean are on Renault's payroll.)
The Lonely
Sep 18 2008, 15:29
Di Grassi is the best driver in GP2 this season imo. However I can't see him in an F1 race seat next year unfortunately
primer
Sep 18 2008, 16:06
Bruno Senna should take up a Force India race seat if he is offered one. Honda might be another option.
I can't see any other teams giving him a race seat. Another year in GP2 for him would be best, really.
molive
Sep 18 2008, 18:00
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Is he going to get one this year?
I meant, IF he gets a good one he SHOULD take it, as it might not happen again next year.
He said he already got some offers, but didnt disclose the terms.
Originally posted by Henri Greuter
Do you really think that, after watching the GP2 season, that he really deserves an F1 ride?
Depends on how you define "deserve".
Imo Bruno is a very talented driver. Is he a potential F1 winner? imo, yes, given how quickly he developed. Of course, he could also be damm slow once he sits in a F1. Piquet Jr, for instance, was mega fast in Gp2 and struggled like hell in F1 (against none other than 2 time WDC Alonso, but that's a whole different topic).
Bruno was very close to winning the GP2 title. He took the fight to Pantano (which is a lot more experienced) to the very last weekend. If not for some mechanical failures and bad luck (even hitting a dog, for crying out loud!) he probably would have been champion before Monza.
As for Di Grassi, I agree, he is also a very good prospect. He is actually testing for Renault as we speak, so, who knows, maybe he ends up replacing Nelsinho, who knows. He definetely was one of the top guys in Gp2 this year.
Jacquesback
Sep 18 2008, 18:28
Originally posted by molive
If not for some mechanical failures and bad luck (even hitting a dog, for crying out loud!) he probably would have been champion before Monza.
Exactly.
glorius&victorius
Sep 18 2008, 18:46
I'd say Torro Rosso. No better place for Bruno to develop then under Berger and Ascanelli... its a bit of a shielded environment...
....one former experienced F1 driver who understands how top F1 drivers operate, and one genius technical director....
Ferrim
Sep 18 2008, 21:12
Originally posted by molive
"Já poderíamos fechar um contrato hoje, mas ainda estou procurando algo melhor. Quero ser piloto oficial e não de testes. Willians, Toyota, BMW e Toro Rosso já me fizeram propostas. Mas ainda estou estudando e negociando", disse o piloto.
I know this is a pretty lame question but... why do you use to find "Willians" in portuguese media sooooooo often? I don't know why they write it with an n so many times. Ok, probably you haven't seen it as many times as I, because I am spanish and therefore can (more or less) understand portuguese, so I visit several portuguese sites form time to time. I've noticed this often, and can't understand why. It's weird.
It's similar to another thing I didn't understand. When Jordan was racing a lot of people liked to write it "Jordon"...
connerz
Sep 18 2008, 21:16
Being marketable is exactly the danger. They are marketing his name rather than his ability.
aditya-now
Sep 18 2008, 22:33
Originally posted by The Lonely
Di Grassi is the best driver in GP2 this season imo. However I can't see him in an F1 race seat next year unfortunately
You might well see him at Renault next year. Not sure if they gonna retain Piquet...
aditya-now
Sep 18 2008, 22:36
Originally posted by glorius&victorius
I'd say Torro Rosso. No better place for Bruno to develop then under Berger and Ascanelli... its a bit of a shielded environment...
....one former experienced F1 driver who understands how top F1 drivers operate, and one genius technical director....
...one genius technical director who was in fact the one to keep Ayrton at McLaren in 1993 - besides the 1 million $ per race retainer, that is....
Would surely be the best environment for Bruno!
molive
Oct 15 2008, 18:54
Bruno will test for Honda.
The article says Bruno will take part in the first collective test session in November, and will be offered a testing job with Honda for 2009. The deal was sealed by Viviane Senna (Ayrton's sister) and Nick Fry.
It also says that either Di Grassi or Nelsinho will drive for Honda in 2009 alongside Button. I find this idea very strange.

I mean, why dump Rubinho for a newbie? Neither Nelsinho nor Lucas can do as well as RB is doing right now (which is, better than Jenson).
mursuka80
Oct 15 2008, 19:09
What Bruno has is Legendary name nothing more.I havent seen anything that suggests that his F1 material.Beaten by Pantano that says it all.Screw nepotism
lustigson
Oct 15 2008, 19:37
Originally posted by mursuka80
What Bruno has is Legendary name nothing more.I havent seen anything that suggests that his F1 material.Beaten by Pantano that says it all.Screw nepotism
Although Bruno might not be as fast as his late uncle, 7 wins and 13 podiums in as little as 89 races isn’t all that bad.
Bruno started his auto racing career as late as 2004. He did 5 races in Formula BMW and Formula Renault, and then moved to Formula 3, scoring 3 podiums in the last seven races of the 2005 British F3 season. In 2006, Senna won 3 of the 4 Formula 3 support races at the Australian Grand Prix. He finished British F3 in 3rd place with 4 wins and another 4 podiums.
Senna then won his 3rd GP2 race, in 2007, and finished that season in 8th place, having scored another 2 podiums. In the 2007-2008 GP2 Asia series, he was on the podium twice, finishing 5th in the championship. This season he won 2 races and took 4 podiums on his way to 2nd in the standings.
mursuka80
Oct 15 2008, 19:40
Originally posted by lustigson
Although Bruno might not be as fast as his late uncle, 7 wins and 13 podiums in as little as 89 races isn’t all that bad.
Bruno started his auto racing career as late as 2004. He did 5 races in Formula BMW and Formula Renault, and then moved to Formula 3, scoring 3 podiums in the last seven races of the 2005 British F3 season. In 2006, Senna won 3 of the 4 Formula 3 support races at the Australian Grand Prix. He finished British F3 in 3rd place with 4 wins and another 4 podiums.
Senna then won his 3rd GP2 race, in 2007, and finished that season in 8th place, having scored another 2 podiums. In the 2007-2008 GP2 Asia series, he was on the podium twice, finishing 5th in the championship. This season he won 2 races and took 4 podiums on his way to 2nd in the standings.
Like i said not F1 material yet.He needs one year at GP2 to prove that his fast.
lustigson
Oct 15 2008, 19:51
Originally posted by mursuka80
Like i said not F1 material yet.He needs one year at GP2 to prove that his fast.
I get your point... but a 3rd year in GP2? That would hardly do him good, I believe. But there aren't a lot of options, I guess, or Senna should go for the new Formula 2 championship. Otherwise it might be F1 now or never.
Levike
Oct 16 2008, 04:57
Originally posted by mursuka80
What Bruno has is Legendary name nothing more.I havent seen anything that suggests that his F1 material.Beaten by Pantano that says it all.Screw nepotism
I think you weren't see him at Silverstone in the rain.
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