Yes, Hamilton made a stupid mistake at the first corner. Just like Kovelainen, Massa, Alonso and Kubica. They all missed their braking point, probably due to the unexpected cold tyres (according to Alonso). But that's racing, isn't it? Drivers shouldn't receive a penalty for making a mistake.

This has never been penalised before ergo change of rules today.


BTW those that think everything they say is cool are generally wrong

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JfzfZaxD9I&feature=related

Take your pick. Either the driver forcing Kimi of track, or if no one did, Kimi for gaining an advantage going of track.

So which rule did he break? Come on, ante up.

Yeah right, he does

Uh-ohhh. many penalties to be dished out here:

To answer the question of this poll:

Clearly yes. And when you hit another driver and spin in a bonehead overtaking manouvre, you will be helped by the FIA*.

* If you're driving a red car that is.

If you are refering to the Hamilton move in the first corner... it looked like a bit suicide, I mean, evasive actions was not very foreseeable. Not sure in this case.

In general, I think no risk = no racing so... not sure in any case.

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the doubt

No, no, only for the coloured guy in the silver car and his finnish friend and not to forget their boss.

I`m pretty sure Maxxx likes to use another word for coloured, though, maybe something with n ...

Irrelevant. If there was a slight contact, which is somewhat usual, nothing happened other than a few drivers went a bit wide, which is also somewhat usual. Why Lewis was penalised remains a mystery.

Hard racing doesn't include moves that ruin tyres in one single turn. That can only be kamikaze driving: bad when they are alone, unacceptable when there's other drivers around.

You seem to forget massa at hungary...
Come on think smarter....

Kimi: "I got a pretty good start but then braking into Turn 1 I was trying to turn and there was first one McLaren and then a second," he said. "Both hit me and I had nowhere to go other than straight. I lost many places and had some damage on the front, I got back on circuit but was behind people."

Interesting screenshot:
[img]http://forum.digitalracing.nl/attachment.php?attachmentid=31&d=1223798200[/img]

Maybe HK touched him, but I don`t think the video show LH doing so ...

Sorry if this has been mentioned, but can anyone post the contents of Article 16.1?

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Where did he say this, because this is not from the post race TV conference? I recall him mentioning only Heikki.

Might well be. But ask yourself how often there have been actual contacts in lap1/turn1 in 58 years of formula one. How much of those actual contacts where not penalized? And now they suddenly chose to punish Lewis for even less? That's just so wrong i can't believe it actually...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71352

I wonder if Lewis' front-left tyre touched Kimi's rear-right tyre when he was going to overtake him at the start.

Forcing other drivers of track have been penalized many many times before. First corner or last corner of the race, the rules do not make a difference.

Since he didn't forced anybody so...

I'm sorry. Here it is:


Still an interesting shot.

Kinda exposes the farce of the stewardship.

According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html

I think Lewis will give them the bird.

Remember these other guys are only competing against each other, while Hamilton is competing against Max Mosley too.

Hamilton did not outbrake himself. He deliberately blocked 1/3rd of the grid.
If not, he shouldn't be driving an F1 car and rated so high if unable to predict the behavior of the car right after the start.
"Bu I didn't hit anyone" - bla, bla. The innocent lamb image could pass until May 2007.
I like aggressive drivers but not the dirty ones. It was for the good reactions from the others that there wasn't a melee at turn1.

The funny thing is that Hamilton received a penalty for enforcing Raikkonen to go off. While at Spa Hamilton received a penalty after being forced off by Raikkonen. Funny, isn't it?

Lewis sure has all the tools to give the bird to Max in the best possible manner, by driving like a champion: he's got the skill, he's got the car. Now he only needs to grow a brain that tells him how to use those tools.

I think you need to watch http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php...069#post3352069 again. The reason why there is a melee is that Kubica and Alonso ALSO goes wide, from a position way behind Lewis. They were in no way hindered by Lewis. We also see from that pic that Lewis was actually not forcing Kimi off - Heikki did that, Lewis only pushed him to the outside (which is in every way legal to do).

Only if the Scumeria are involved -obvios

Unfair driving from Hakkinen, a rare thing.

So you did not see the race?

Not really funny.

A shame that the best driver in the field, continue to place himself in these situations when there is no need.

Had he waited 1 corner longer at Spa he would have won.

Had he just slotted in behind Kimi today he would have been on the podium, possibly won.

Every - following - car has to adjust his trajectory and momentum [i.e. engage evasive maneuvers] unexpectedly because of Hamilton's boneheaded move so the stewards rightly punished the responsible driver.

Luckily [well except for DC and naka] his didn't cause another spa 1998/1999 this TIME.

He seems to have a problem with Kimi beeing near to him. There was also the Canada accident. Sad that it is often Kimi who suffers from Lewis mistkakes.

I rarely use smilies to describe my feeling, but this sentence sure as hell qualify!

Which McLaren is ahead of the other here, I can't tell and I couldn't tell despite the numerous replays on the telly either.

But you just have to appreciate the irony here, KWAK. Lewis WAS after all penalised for squezing Kimi of the track, which Kimi did to Lewis just a few races ago.

It kind of reminds me of Montoya's penalties from Malaysia 2002 versus USGP 2003, which was mirrored, yet Montoya got the penalty in both cases just like Lewis this year.

I'm getting so fed up with the standards of stewarding and the way they are making up penalties on the fly. It seems they are trying to do everything they can to discourage racing.

The incident today is something that has happened countless times before and has never resulted in a penalty, so why change that today?

LH

So true. Watching this sport has gone from enjoyment to complete frustration. Not because I cheer for one particular team or one particular driver, but because I follow this sport because I love motorsport and I expect something in return. This aint it.

If you like being a

So you say it was actually Heikki that forced Kimi out of the track? I've seen that you have argued this before, but your view is not exactly dominant in the various threads I have read. If this is true, then surly the stewards penalised Lewis for something completely different.

Perhaps I'm a clown, but can you please argue for what reason Lewis would deliberatly block seven (irrelevant) cars going into turn one while in at worst second position? Why would he do that, and while we're at it, why is not Lewis allowed to block when everyone else is?

No, they penalised Hamilton for something he didn't do.

Well, HK could have only be in front of LH into the first corner if he possessed star trek technology - beam me forward.
Watch the replays ...

My view not dominant?

Well, nothing personal mate (this actually goes to some other poster), how can one come here and discuss a race if not even watching it, remains a mistery ...

When's this ever happened before? The stewards are rewriting the rule book whenever McLaren are in the frame. The investigation was announced as "cars 1, 2 & 22", lumping them in altogether as though it was one incident. It seems that Hamilton's penalty was more of an apology to Ferrari for having to penalise Massa. I suspect Alan Donnelly's helping hand.

I have consistently supported Massa this season, in spite of all the loony polls setting one set of fans against another, but he is well supported by the FIA and its inconsistent application of the rules.

I might agree if a penalty had been awarded, even once, before in the 50 years I've been watching Grand Prix. Over these 50 years I have seen all sorts of ducking, diving, bumping and boring at the first corner but I have never before seen anyone penalised for it.

Will Massa be penalised for hitting Bourdais......................... not a chance in hell. Once they realised that Massa would have to be penalised for running into Hamilton, they had to find a way to penalise Hamilton so that he wouldn't gain points on Massa, quite simple to work out for anyone with half a brain cell in working order.

I've just seen that Bourdais was penalised for daring to be on the same track as a Ferrari - Just underlines what I just said -
As Monty Python said:

"Stop! Stop! This is getting silly..............."