Now that we have set precedent and outbraking yourself and not taking anyone out (no contact with your car) will we see races in the future where this penalty is handed out again?

So the question stands:

If a formula 1 driver outbrakes themselves and runs wide without contacting another driver, possibly causing other drivers to take evasive action or run wide themselves, does it constitute a drive through penalty for all races going forward?

Well they had to come up with something...

Depends if you make other cars take evasive action because of your dangerous slip

If it was Coulthard instead of Kimi we'd have seen 5 or 6 cars out in the first corner

Yes, dangerous driving is the same, with or without contact. At that point, he ruined some peoples races and indeed, it was avoidable.

it's not as if he ran wide by accident, he was aggressive, tried to outbrake everyone and lost out.

Exactly.

The thread starter tries to position contact as the only possible bad consequence when it isn't. Argument is flawed, I won't even answert his crap of a poll.

Look were Raikkonen ended up because of his action, look how many cars had to move around to avoid colision.

Good penalty.

If Lewis was halfway down the pack and outbreaked like that, there'd be a huge pile up.

Penalty justified.

outbraking yourself and not hitting anyone, maybe not

going wide and bringing everyone with you, probably yes!

Lewis fans crying, nothing new.
Waste of internet space

I guess when forcing everyone to go wide in T1 to avoid a crash while losing positions does deserve a penalty.. Lewis was a mess ..

Stupid question from someone that did not understand what happened today.
Nobody with brain should vote.

Seems thous saying yes don't watch F1, we have seen this many times in the past and has not ever warranted an investigation.

Watch video before voting

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fFQtXE-PprY

It was HK that put KR off the track.

Harsh penalty IMO

Lewis had his car going well into the first corner. It is a shame that he did not have his brain in gear.

This is a dumb thread.

Well, as can be seen in the video LH forced nobody of the track but himself at that moment.

I don`t think he can be held responsible for other drivers orientating on his too late braking point, because that happened right there, even KR was too late for the corner.

Shall I go back in time...France 1999:

Here and here at 01:50 for clearer, outside view

Hakkinen outbraked himself and took Alesi wide with him, but there is a difference between choosing to brake late and simply have nowhere to go, as happened with today's first corner.

Ridiculous poll-options!

Where's the alternative "yes, if you force another car to take evasive action to avoid accident" for instance...? Or the standard "other" option

Can't vote.

Official FIA Answer -

Pre Fuji race start 12th October 2008 - NO

Post Fuji race start 12th October 2008 - YES

unbelievable... the minute i saw that, i thought lewis would get a penalty. and here we are discussing how evil the FIA is... please, that was a dumb maneuver is every single way. all he did was prove that Kubica was right.

You gotta give it to Hamilton. Singlehandedly he has now forced TWO rule interpretation changes this season.

I think the Ferrari apologists owes us an answer to why this driving behaviour, which has not been penalised EVER before, should be now?

tire smoke should equal a penalty now

Exactly, he'll receive a good bollocking in the next drivers meeting I think.

Thank you Torch.
I was unsure about it until after I watched that video.

If any of you are still unsure, just pause the video at 8 or 9 seconds.

The premise you present is wrong. The question should be, does outbraking yourself in a stupid overtaking move and ruining the race of a couple drivers deserve a penalty'. Yes it does.

Kimi even said in the PC that "I think Heikki hit me harder".

So, he should get a grid penalty next race then? Because the stewards now is so consistent?

There is no 'always' or 'never' in F1, as the rule book is re-written every season. F1 racing 2008 is run differently than all years past.

Liking or not liking that hard racing is no longer allowed does not change the rules. And the rules are that you can not force a (or multiple) other drivers of track, and Hamilton were the cause of 4 drivers moving to the outside of the racing line in corner one, changing the race for all 4 in the process.

The rules stupid as they may be, should apply to all drivers including Lewis Hamilton.

fair enough but (according to official decisions by the FIA) it didn't before today

Depends on your car color....

The only driver getting caught out was Kimi. That's not a "couple" of drivers.

Don't mind them changing it every season it's when they change it during the race that I object

No it does NOT, because it never has before. There's ALWAYS a huss-and-tumble going into the first corner when you have standing starts. It's part of the game.

Where were all those penalties at Spa just this year after the first corner, where this thing happen habitually?

Remind me, how many people were penalized for this at Spa?

0

So changing the race for other drivers are punishable now? Even, my oh my, forcing other drivers to take alternate lines? I nomally don't stoop to exaggerations but this IS getting to the point where perhaps intervall starts would be better.

Which four drivers by the way? I run that replay over and over and the only driver affected by Lewis seem to be Kimi.

Oh, I just remember Spa. Where Kimi FORCED Lewis outside the track. Which one got the penalty?

Only red cars involved ...

Really? Not even to the guy who actually rammed someone from behind at the start?


Whatever...

I cant believe this penalty. a complete . totally unfair.

Kimi said he was hit by both McLarens. There was contact.

Which they have not done.

Not understand which drivers you wanted penalized at Spa.

Lewis says otherwise:

“We both got the same penalty but I didn’t hit anyone and he did, so I guess that’s just the name of the game,”

Viewing the incident in a vacuum, giving Lewis a penalty is not that unfair. However, given that he was the first driver in the history of Formula 1 to be penalized for outbraking himself, lap 1 or not, the case against him becomes much more dubious.

No changing a race is not punishable.

Breaking the rules are punishable, which is why Hamilton got a drive through, the drivers affected did not get their positions back.

Well Lewis himself think he deserved the penalty. So i can vote in this stupid poll.

Then someone is lying there.

Got a quote?

This quote suggests otherwise:

“We both got the same penalty but I didn’t hit anyone and he did, so I guess that’s just the name of the game,”

I vote Kimi after watching the video again

He's just twisting the facts, never mind him...