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wow! that was harsh

Does it really surprise you even one little bit?

I am the biggest Ferrari fan on the planet, and I think that's fucked up.

Terrible, terrible decision

This is really getting stupid, how on earth, what did they expect Seb to do, stop and let Massa go, he was hit from the side when he was in front of Massa, and kept his line.

No surprise there

i think it was a legit racing incident, but if someone would get punished it would be bourdais, obviously, why some ppl thought massa could get a penalty is beyond me, but that's the forum we got.

anyway, i dont think this decision is fair, but lets not make such a fuss for a point, hopefully it wont mean anything in the end.

Crap. No penalty should have been imposed on either. It was Massa's fault more than SB, if anyone was to blame. At least it allows for the possibility of a one point championship

Can it be appealed?

Another point given to Massa by Maxxx, for me he now needs to win this championship by at least seven points for it to be deserved

Because, Seb kept his line, Massa was behind and went into his side and massa moved into him.

On lordy, lordy me. What the heck is going on? As far as I could see there's very little Bourdais could have done to avoid that incident - Massa chopped him.

For what it's worth, I don't believe this is reflective of any 'pro-Ferrari bias'. I think this is further reflection of F1 stewards feeling that they are obliged to apportion blame and hand out penalties for just about everything. F1 is definitely over-policed these days.

I see no reason to amend my earlier opinion.

The 'incident' was Massa's fault, how does Seb score a penalty??

Because the FIA have certain targets set for this year.
The biggest one is hand a red car the championship regardless.

But hey, it's all right, it makes the championship nice and close and gives Massa a better chance of winning it for beloved Ferrari.

If I were Lewis Hamilton, I wouldn't even bother turning up for the last two races, the FIA have already decided who should win.

watch it again and carefully, on the replay from the front you can clearly see Seb's front right is in the air before the impact, also check his line, he seems to clip the inside of the corner and drift out.

I hate all these stewards decisions, every time there is an on track battle the stewards feel the need to get involved, its racing ffs, cars are going to touch.

This is ridiculous.

I haven't seen an onboard yet but i must say from what was seen on the live feed i did not see anything wrong with sebs move. The only way it could have been even remotely his fault is if he understeered directly into Massa, by a lot! Anyone have an onboard?

again, i dont think seb did anything to deserve this penalty, he defended his position as a driver should do, but he was the one leaving the pits and as such massa had priority. its not like massa ran into him, he took the normal racing line, it just happened to be a car on it lol.

Merge the threads...

Expected.

Yet it has no logic at all for fans of racing.

On the left people are screaming that they want more wheel-to-wheel fight - whole F1 world wants it. By declaration, FIA works through technical regulations to achive that.

On the right FIA is doing exactly the opposite. Technical regulations are going in that way (for more wheel-to-wheel fights), but at the same time FIA also creates space for arbitrary decisions in races. Thus space for manipulations are far more bigger then before.

Drivers will always fight and we'll always enjoy in them, but these kind of decisions are choking it.

Was 100% certain that would happen the second he spun the car on track, Bourdais caused an avoidable contact, and will get you a penalty these days in F1.

I would have said it was Massa who caused an avoidable contact as it was him who went into Bourdais.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71360

Of course you would say that!

This will probably help you.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=e2u93VT7m2s

And of course can't be appealed either....

25 sec penalty is like a death sentence!!!!

Massa went for the racing line into that corner, point of contact happened when Bourdais was at least half a car length behind... Still think the penalty was harsh, the move stupid by Massa.

He could have given him a bit more space, avoided contact and got the position.

Um thanks. I do not approve of this kind of penalty if you got that impression. And that was not I wanted to imply with my comment. It was more a comment on you

That may be you would say that, however no according to the rules and regulations under which F1 is being conducted, those make it Bourdais, where fore he was handed the penalty.

You shoud read the rules first ...

Penalised for existing, that sucks..

Shhhhhhh: Canada 1998

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ykv7dYrGSBs

Schumacher got a penalty for this. So Bourdais' penalty is correct and consistent.

Which rule did I get wrong?

Article 39.2 - 2008 F1 sporting regulations

Schumacher pushed Frentzen onto the grass. How is this anyway consistent with what happened today?

I'm still at a loss as to how Bourdais could have avoided the incident, apart from braking too early and letting hom through

Hard to judge without seeing Bourdais' onboard. If he indeed had an understeer and went into Massa the penalty would be justified. If Bourdais kept his line and Massa just went in too tight, it would be Massa's fault. That side shot really shows nothing.

Hi, Adrian Sutil here. Can you please send this to Uncle Max? I need some points or something. Like the 5 I was going to get at Monaco before someone caused avoidable contact.

Quickly forgotten is that one, ensign.

Bourdais is very angry about his penalty - apparently fully justified. The co-commentator on RTBF, a racing driver himself and neutral regarding Ferrari, said basically the same thing Bourdais commented later, when it had just happened. It's a penalty to close the WDC a bit more. The corruption in the FIA goes like that.

yet another pornography

CRAP!


He dived to the inside to avoid Massa who, on the other hand could have easily avoided the accident by giving Seba just a tad more more room, which he had plenty of. Plus, he should have known Seba will be there, what was in his mind? That he will break 10 meters earlier than usual just because he is fighting a Ferrari? Stupid, stupid decision.


Oh, and WTF is up with announcing the decision after the race? They had plenty of time to give him stop and go for that. CRAP, CRAP, CRAP. It really made me angry.

Frentzen was in Schumacher's blind spot, it was a complete accident. I remember at the time itv saying it was absurd and they'd never seen a penalty for such an incident...

But it's ok guys, I knew you'd want to ignore or discredit such evidence... because it doesn't fit you current waa waaa Ferrari theme.

Unfortunately that incident is totally irrelevant because it is totally different, if you can't see that then thats because it also doesnt fit your current agenda

Way to flip what I said to you back onto me. Can't wait for the next 10 nonsense-moaning topics you guy all post tomorrow.

Do you understand the sport we are discussing here at all?

Seems like you and RedBaron are the first on the list of "don`t understand"-ers ...

I'm a don't agree with you-er so must be wrong-er. Hey I know I don't like something that happened in the race, I'll go onto a message board along with a handful of other people and we'll post numerous topics all flustered and upset about exactly the same thing. Then we'll do it all over again, but we'll make them Polls. We'll tell everyone else they're wrong and ignore what they say. Lewis for WDC!