According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html
Originally posted by Galko877
According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html
According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html
Glock has to move on past monza...
Well, Toyota should have protested then ...
Disgusting.
His ego showing just like at the end of the race, that cheat should get a 10 grid penalty for Shanghai.
His ego showing just like at the end of the race, that cheat should get a 10 grid penalty for Shanghai.
Punish him!
Originally posted by Enkei
Punish him!
Punish him!
If Toyota can provide evidence and lodge protest, a punishment would be in order.
I doubt they will.
Originally posted by Galko877
According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html
According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html
That's gonna be a very interesting drivers meeting.
First you have the drivers who saw Lewis divebombing turn 1 who'll have a few things to say, we all heard last week what Kubica thinks of Lewis' dirty driving and now the Toyota's are ganging-up on him.
Maybe Alonso will chip in a few words on Lewis' pointless unlapping move too.
The pressure is rising, Lewis is about as unpopular with his colleagues as he is here and his lead is back to only 5 points. Can he cope with it or is he going to choke just as he did last year.
If Toyota have evidence that Trulli was significantly faster than Hamilton during those two laps they should just protest him.
give him a 25 sec penalty... (Ham not Truli the FIA are in the habit of punishing the wrong peeps today)
Originally posted by Mika Mika
give him a 25 sec penalty... (Ham not Truli the FIA are in the habit of punishing the wrong peeps today)
give him a 25 sec penalty... (Ham not Truli the FIA are in the habit of punishing the wrong peeps today)
So if Hamilton ignored blue flags for 2 laps and Trulli was faster it will be still wrong to penalize Lewis in your opinion?
Why not question Massa's tactics of driving into anyone trying to overtake him?
Because Massa didn't run into Trulli or Glock, so it's unrelated.
So he shouldn't raise Hamilton's driving in the drivers' meeting then. Nothing to do with him.
Originally posted by ensign14
So he shouldn't raise Hamilton's driving in the drivers' meeting then. Nothing to do with him.
So he shouldn't raise Hamilton's driving in the drivers' meeting then. Nothing to do with him.
Trulli will raise it, not Glock. Glock only talked about it to the press.
Originally posted by ensign14
So he shouldn't raise Hamilton's driving in the drivers' meeting then. Nothing to do with him.
So he shouldn't raise Hamilton's driving in the drivers' meeting then. Nothing to do with him.
So hammy behaving like a kamikaze-pilot and ignoring marshal flags on the same track that Glock is trying to do his job on, has nothing to do with him?
Originally posted by ensign14
So he shouldn't raise Hamilton's driving in the drivers' meeting then. Nothing to do with him.
So he shouldn't raise Hamilton's driving in the drivers' meeting then. Nothing to do with him.
Did you read the article? It clearly states: "Das will Trulli in Shanghai zur Sprache bringen".
Originally posted by Galko877
Trulli will raise it, not Glock. Glock only talked about it to the press.
Trulli will raise it, not Glock. Glock only talked about it to the press.
If they have issues they should follow the proper procedures and protest. What are they afraid of?
Instead these people want some UN type drama next race. No one cares about what you say in some F1 driver meeting. Lewis certainly does not (nor should he or any other driver).
Originally posted by primer
If they have issues they should follow the proper procedures and protest. What are they afraid of?
If they have issues they should follow the proper procedures and protest. What are they afraid of?
Toyota will not gain anything from it. It's pointless. However, it's an important issue that needs to be discussed and clarified. This way of dealing with a minor controversy reflects the commendable attitude of the Japanese/German team.
Originally posted by bankoq
If Toyota have evidence that Trulli was significantly faster than Hamilton during those two laps they should just protest him.
If Toyota have evidence that Trulli was significantly faster than Hamilton during those two laps they should just protest him.
Not 'significantly faster'. This is not how it works. If Trulli was right behind Hamliton for even 4 corners, Hamilton was supposed to move away.
Originally posted by wingwalker
Not 'significantly faster'. This is not how it works. If Trulli was right behind Hamliton for even 4 corners, Hamilton was supposed to move away.
Not 'significantly faster'. This is not how it works. If Trulli was right behind Hamliton for even 4 corners, Hamilton was supposed to move away.
Was he? Or was it a Alonso_Monza_2006 type of distance. Glock says Trulli lost 1,5-2 seconds!!! because of that.
Originally posted by ensign14
Why not question Massa's tactics of driving into anyone trying to overtake him? Gluck can go fock himself.
because massa paid the price for it.
Why not question Massa's tactics of driving into anyone trying to overtake him? Gluck can go fock himself.
Originally posted by wingwalker
Not 'significantly faster'. This is not how it works. If Trulli was right behind Hamliton for even 4 corners, Hamilton was supposed to move away.
Not 'significantly faster'. This is not how it works. If Trulli was right behind Hamliton for even 4 corners, Hamilton was supposed to move away.
And if he didn't, he would have been duly penalised.
He was never under investigation for it, and if it went on for TWO LAPS as Glock claims, then they'd have had to be blind or stupid to miss it.
Oh, wait ...
isnt it 4 blue flags and u gotta move over ?
Originally posted by pingu666
isnt it 4 blue flags and u gotta move over ?
isnt it 4 blue flags and u gotta move over ?
Yes, if Hamilton has spent 2 laps in front of Trulli he would have had about 20 blue flags waved at him and he would have had a penalty from the stewards, it's not like they were shy in handing out penalties today.
Originally posted by Mika Mika
give him a 25 sec penalty... (Ham not Truli the FIA are in the habit of punishing the wrong peeps today)
If they did then they wouldn't be able to give him a 10 place grid penalty for China and they surely wouldn't want to let an opportunity like that go.
give him a 25 sec penalty... (Ham not Truli the FIA are in the habit of punishing the wrong peeps today)
It must be Fuji that brings out the best in Hamilton...rain or shine... 
Waits for evidence, not expectantly
Originally posted by Galko877
According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html
According to Glock Hamilton's driving tactics will be the subject of the next driver meeting in Shanghai. Glock says his teammate, Trulli was blocked by Hamilton for two laps(!) who was a lap down and the blue flags were waved for him all over the place:
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news/20...g_08101216.html
I can bet my bottom dollar there is no way the FIA would have missed such a golden opportunity to punish mclaren This guy needs to move on and stop being another C**k.
Originally posted by ensign14
Why not question Massa's tactics of driving into anyone trying to overtake him?
Why not question Massa's tactics of driving into anyone trying to overtake him?
That would be a bit rich considering that was exactly what the mclarens where doing at turn 1
If Hamilton had ignored even half a lap of blue flags, they would have handed him a penalty which would have lasted until the Hungarian GP next year!
Originally posted by Bloggsworth
If Hamilton had ignored even half a lap of blue flags, they would have handed him a penalty which would have lasted until the Hungarian GP next year!
If Hamilton had ignored even half a lap of blue flags, they would have handed him a penalty which would have lasted until the Hungarian GP next year!
you promise that if proof is provided you will start a topic by admiting how stupid you are to make comments like this?
Originally posted by wingwalker
Not 'significantly faster'. This is not how it works. If Trulli was right behind Hamliton for even 4 corners, Hamilton was supposed to move away.
Not 'significantly faster'. This is not how it works. If Trulli was right behind Hamliton for even 4 corners, Hamilton was supposed to move away.
And he was almost two laps.
Check FIA's Race History Chart:
http://www.fia.com/japangp/documents/JPN_0...story_Chart.pdf
On laps 16 and 17, Jarno was on 1:19,7-1:19,6.
His time for lap 18, when Fernando stopped, was 1:19,524.
On lap 19 he had an advantage over Lewis of 1:19,597. (Note it was the same as his last lap time, so they were together).
On his last two laps before his stop he slowed to 1:20s, while Lewis slowed to 1:20,7 and even 1:21,7.
Just after Jarno stopped, Lewis suddenly recovers and improve his lap times by over 1 second.
More penalties hours-days-weeks after the fact, whatever happened surely wasn't racing! 
Bring them on wooooohooo love that....
Bring them on wooooohooo love that....
Originally posted by pingu666
isnt it 4 blue flags and u gotta move over ?
isnt it 4 blue flags and u gotta move over ?
No it is THREE blue flags and only if being lapped. They are waved both for drivers who are about to be lapped AND for those significantly slower. Those about to be lapped are obliged to move over, those just slower are not.
Therefore if Hamilton was about to be lapped and refused to mvoe over for two full laps there is no way on this earth that he would not have been seen and penalised by the stewards. Possibly he was just slower and didn't want to move over (i.e. because not being lapped) and that is his right.
I would be surprised if Trulli was that petty - he has been in a slower car plenty of times and not moved over for faster cars himself and why should he or anyone else come to that. Why give position if you do not need to do so.
I dont know what this hullaboo is all about and i doubt the truthfulnees of the story. The rules are clear
During a race, a light blue flag waved on the track warns the driver that he is about to be lapped by a faster car and must let it pass. A driver may incur penalties if he ignores three successive blue flags.
The most applicable penalty is usually a drive-thru. There is no way lewis would have ignored three consequetive blue flags knowing the penalty and infact FIA would never miss such a golden opportunity. Iam sorry but this is a red herring
During a race, a light blue flag waved on the track warns the driver that he is about to be lapped by a faster car and must let it pass. A driver may incur penalties if he ignores three successive blue flags.
The most applicable penalty is usually a drive-thru. There is no way lewis would have ignored three consequetive blue flags knowing the penalty and infact FIA would never miss such a golden opportunity. Iam sorry but this is a red herring
Originally posted by andreaglass
And he was almost two laps.
Check FIA's Race History Chart:
http://www.fia.com/japangp/documents/JPN_0...story_Chart.pdf
On laps 16 and 17, Jarno was on 1:19,7-1:19,6.
His time for lap 18, when Fernando stopped, was 1:19,524.
On lap 19 he had an advantage over Lewis of 1:19,597. (Note it was the same as his last lap time, so they were together).
On his last two laps before his stop he slowed to 1:20s, while Lewis slowed to 1:20,7 and even 1:21,7.
Just after Jarno stopped, Lewis suddenly recovers and improve his lap times by over 1 second.
And he was almost two laps.
Check FIA's Race History Chart:
http://www.fia.com/japangp/documents/JPN_0...story_Chart.pdf
On laps 16 and 17, Jarno was on 1:19,7-1:19,6.
His time for lap 18, when Fernando stopped, was 1:19,524.
On lap 19 he had an advantage over Lewis of 1:19,597. (Note it was the same as his last lap time, so they were together).
On his last two laps before his stop he slowed to 1:20s, while Lewis slowed to 1:20,7 and even 1:21,7.
Just after Jarno stopped, Lewis suddenly recovers and improve his lap times by over 1 second.
Figured I'd quote this as some people seem to skip over real evidence and continue just making things up as the truth may or may not jive with their views.
Originally posted by andreaglass
And he was almost two laps.
Check FIA's Race History Chart:
http://www.fia.com/japangp/documents/JPN_0...story_Chart.pdf
On laps 16 and 17, Jarno was on 1:19,7-1:19,6.
His time for lap 18, when Fernando stopped, was 1:19,524.
On lap 19 he had an advantage over Lewis of 1:19,597. (Note it was the same as his last lap time, so they were together).
On his last two laps before his stop he slowed to 1:20s, while Lewis slowed to 1:20,7 and even 1:21,7.
Just after Jarno stopped, Lewis suddenly recovers and improve his lap times by over 1 second.
And he was almost two laps.
Check FIA's Race History Chart:
http://www.fia.com/japangp/documents/JPN_0...story_Chart.pdf
On laps 16 and 17, Jarno was on 1:19,7-1:19,6.
His time for lap 18, when Fernando stopped, was 1:19,524.
On lap 19 he had an advantage over Lewis of 1:19,597. (Note it was the same as his last lap time, so they were together).
On his last two laps before his stop he slowed to 1:20s, while Lewis slowed to 1:20,7 and even 1:21,7.
Just after Jarno stopped, Lewis suddenly recovers and improve his lap times by over 1 second.
On the other hand, Jarno was 0.5s faster than LH on lap 19, and 1.7s faster on lap 20.
Incredible! He should be punished.
Maybe I should be like all the Hamilton fans and start 80 new threads calling for Alan Donnely's head? Oh, the world is against us!
Maybe I should be like all the Hamilton fans and start 80 new threads calling for Alan Donnely's head? Oh, the world is against us!
There are three kinds of business in this world.
your business, other peoples business and gods business.
your business, other peoples business and gods business.
I don't think there is any truth to this story. If Hamilton blocked Trulli for 2 full laps, he would have gotten a drive through or a 10sec stop-n-go penalty from the Stewards. You'd have the Marshalls waving blue flags at every corner - hard to miss if it ever happened.
-KB
-KB
As this picture shows, whenever a car is shown a blue flag it appears on the teams' monitors:
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/117118
Therefore if Hamilton actually did ignore all those blue flags it should be fairly easy to check.
http://www.autosport.com/gallery/photo.php/id/117118
Therefore if Hamilton actually did ignore all those blue flags it should be fairly easy to check.
Originally posted by andreaglass
And he was almost two laps.
Check FIA's Race History Chart:
http://www.fia.com/japangp/documents/JPN_0...story_Chart.pdf
On laps 16 and 17, Jarno was on 1:19,7-1:19,6.
His time for lap 18, when Fernando stopped, was 1:19,524.
On lap 19 he had an advantage over Lewis of 1:19,597. (Note it was the same as his last lap time, so they were together).
On his last two laps before his stop he slowed to 1:20s, while Lewis slowed to 1:20,7 and even 1:21,7.
Just after Jarno stopped, Lewis suddenly recovers and improve his lap times by over 1 second.
And he was almost two laps.
Check FIA's Race History Chart:
http://www.fia.com/japangp/documents/JPN_0...story_Chart.pdf
On laps 16 and 17, Jarno was on 1:19,7-1:19,6.
His time for lap 18, when Fernando stopped, was 1:19,524.
On lap 19 he had an advantage over Lewis of 1:19,597. (Note it was the same as his last lap time, so they were together).
On his last two laps before his stop he slowed to 1:20s, while Lewis slowed to 1:20,7 and even 1:21,7.
Just after Jarno stopped, Lewis suddenly recovers and improve his lap times by over 1 second.
Trulli was 0.5 and 1.7s faster than Hamilton on each lap. So Trulli will have been more than 2.3s behind Hamilton. Glock would appear to be talking rubbish.
Originally posted by Maximus
Maybe Alonso will chip in a few words on Lewis' pointless unlapping move too.
Maybe Alonso will chip in a few words on Lewis' pointless unlapping move too.
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points; had he remained behind Alonso, any car that started the last lap, if only for 1 metre, would have been classified ahead of him - but then you knew that, you were just taking a cheap shot......................
Like Michael cleverly allowing his out-of-the-points brother to un-lap himself in France (97-99?) and Ralf going on to claim a point because of drivers ahead of him having issues on the last laps.
However, watching red-mist Hamilton at the weekend - it is hard to imagine he is thinking so wisely in the cockpit.
However, watching red-mist Hamilton at the weekend - it is hard to imagine he is thinking so wisely in the cockpit.
Originally posted by Bloggsworth
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points; had he remained behind Alonso, any car that started the last lap, if only for 1 metre, would have been classified ahead of him - but then you knew that, you were just taking a cheap shot......................
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points; had he remained behind Alonso, any car that started the last lap, if only for 1 metre, would have been classified ahead of him - but then you knew that, you were just taking a cheap shot......................
Similar thing cost Stirling Moss the world title in 1958. Three cars crossed the line, Hawthorn-Moss-Lewis Evans, Hawthorn NEARLY a lap behind winner Moss, Lewis-Evans JUST OVER a lap behind Moss...as JMH spun on the final lap Lewis-Evans not unlapping himself cost him a second place...
Originally posted by Bloggsworth
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points; had he remained behind Alonso, any car that started the last lap, if only for 1 metre, would have been classified ahead of him - but then you knew that, you were just taking a cheap shot......................
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points; had he remained behind Alonso, any car that started the last lap, if only for 1 metre, would have been classified ahead of him - but then you knew that, you were just taking a cheap shot......................
I think Lewis only managed to achieve 12th this weekend, so now try again Bloggs; how many cars would have needed to fail to finish for him to get points?
Originally posted by Bloggsworth
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points
Not 2 but 4, so it was pointless.
Originally posted by Bloggsworth
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points; had he remained behind Alonso, any car that started the last lap, if only for 1 metre, would have been classified ahead of him - but then you knew that, you were just taking a cheap shot......................
Nothing pointless about it - if 2 cars in front of him had failed to finish the last lap he would have got points; had he remained behind Alonso, any car that started the last lap, if only for 1 metre, would have been classified ahead of him - but then you knew that, you were just taking a cheap shot......................
Cure the red mist before spouting crap in the BB, and check your facts too
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