I do think so. Yes Alonso is the real champion. Who else could take a another win out of such incident? Only true champion can find a way to materialise this result.

It seems to me after all Alonso pulld the team to climb up the grid. Naturally Flavio's effort, the voices means countless importance for directingthe team, it is now evedent that Flovio's voice brought true resluts to the team putting all the efforts the tam made in a correct value vault.

Do you want responses???

See clasification past Championship, Hamilton and Alonso on same car.....

Regards

As Alonso race against Hamilton the last year I can understand your claim. Still, Lewis did not win the title 2007.

I often read criticism on the best driver on the best car, that the drivers true ability can be rated only when he is in a inferior car. Now you are looking at it. The car is better than the beginning of the year, but still not the best. In the chaotic start, among other competitors it was Alonso who charged the show. Kubica could have done the job as well. He could have yet he failed.

They were even in points, true. However, he achieved it against the wish of his own team so who knows what would have happened had the team backed him the same way as his team mate. Important to recall as well that he was the only WDC contender penalized by the new safety car ruling at Canada which cost him the necessary points to have beaten LH and win the WDC. This ruling is out for the next season on, for being considered unfair provided what happened at Singapore.

Briatore hails Renault's progress
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71383

If the car works well, well then so will the drivers.


Briatore didn't especially mention Alonso's performance, but the hardwork his Renault team have done, which usually get no applause from todays f1 fans, Renault are the best team along with ferrari this decade, show some respect.

The real Champion?

Because he lucked into 2 wins due to circumstances he had nothing to do with?

Sceptics. As Vettel had won race already this year he could have won the race as well. Why could not he? So as Kubica, who had a better chances to win. Briatore says high about Nelson. He could have won the race then? No matter how it may be possible, Alonso won the race.

Besids Alonso was Humble enough after the win, praising his team.

what lucky circumstances? lapping at 1.19.2 during his whole second stint to open a gap of 11 and 14 seconds to kubica in a bmw and reigning wc in a ferrari?

what a lucky bastard!!!!

in singapore where he was the one who benefited from it
funny life, isn't it

the true champion? he ranked 3rd last year and this year he will be ranked lower. he was champion 2 times though
what's the point?

quoting senna " every year there is a winner, but not always there is a true champion"

What is the point?

Alonso knows how to bring the second rated car home in the first place, through complex and comtetative race. Make right call, think wth team choose the best option while he is driving the car over the edge, with no mistakes. if Kubica was as good as Alonso yesterda with the way he deal with the dynamic situation then he could have won the race, which made him two points closer to the current leader hence being closer to become champion.

Run of Alonso put all in question.

The ability is a proof tha he is the best on track. No one faired better than Alosno, yesterday. After all, how come the guys in fron of Alonso at the starting grid did not win yesterday? It is because those huys are not as good as Alonso.

Alonso will have less points than other drivers come the end of the season, so no he is not the real champion

Same car (but different teams - we were basically racing Alonso) and same amount of points and ...
wait ...

2 WDC against 0

Lewis has not yet won anything and it has choked it once. For the moment Lewis is the big choker and Alonso the real champion.

Perhaps luck is the reason that Alonso is 11th in the F1 history in wins and 10th in podiums and the 4th in points.
Keep showing your ignorance for our entertainment.

You forgot to count the numbers of world title! professional guys like you makes thing up side down!

since both of them were in f1 the score is 2-0 for hamilton

Alonso will win another one in China. It will be a real mess with lots of silly stuff. But in the end Alonso will score his third win in a row. You can quote me with that. If i'm wrong i'll have Massas stupid face as my avatar until season is over.

sorted

You're probably right. I remember this guy here on the board, name escapes me ATM, who used to wax on and on about what wonders the great MS did, when really it was just the team doing all the work.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

That was only to point out that he got the same points than Lewis only because that SC ruling affected him and not Lewis. I'm sure the very Alonso had preferred this SC ruling would have never changed as it is obvious it would have granted him to win the WDC last year, which means much more than a single lucky race. Hardly a payback, isn't it?

well he is 3 points behind kovalainen and his mclaren (who LUCKED into 1 win) and not that far from heidfeld, he has SAME WINS as reigning WDC.

He is so lucky. Just like in 2005.

alonso in canada last year has spent more time off track rather than on it
that was his main problem. had he made one mistake less => one more point...the story would be over
you could say he blew it there

Singapore? Yes lucky.

But Fuji?
Is being a smarter driver than the others and not driving like a moron considered luck now?
It's not his fault that Lewis and Massa are error prone and crack under pressure.
He still beat Kubica and Kimi by outsmarting them when he asked the team to change the strategy.
Also Kovalainen never threatened him in his faster Silver Ferrari.


If you want to call Fuji a lucky victory go ahead if it makes you happy.

This years WDC will be a joke anyway.

Alonso after 9 races in 2006 had 84 points the same amount of points Lewis has now after 16.
Says alot about the incompetence of this years drivers in the top 4 seats.

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wrong!!! even with those mistakes he could have finished 3 if sc hadn't been deployed

Michael was much more involved within Ferrari then Alonso is at Renault, Michael never run off because ferrari had a bad season, he stuck with ferrari through bad times and good, Alonso on the other hand signed a mclaren deal in the fall of 2005, with a whole year left of racing to do at Renault before he left for mclaren, imagine how the team felt, he left for mclaren, didn't like it there, then came back to Renault, Alonso is no team driver, he just comes and goes to whatever team he thinks can challenge for the title, Michael is more then a driver, he played a integral part within ferrari from the very beginning to the very end, you cannot compare the two, Michael didn't run off in bad situations, he promoted people within his team and worked over time in all aspects of the team, and he never publically said a bad word about the team, the same can't be said of Alonso, his remarks in high pressure situations about Renault and Mclaren didn't help matters within his team. Very good driver, that's all.

How to be a WDC.

Driving lesson conducted by Alonso yesterday. Simply Brilliant.

All these wannabe should take notes.

I actually like Alonso (on track) but your is a totally BS post.

Fernando is good, but he would never have won these races if the others had not messed it up to start with. Sure, he made the best out of his chances, but that was thrown in his lap, all he had to do was grab it.

He still blew off Kimi anf Kubica in a straight fight.

You can't really compare both years. In 2006, it was much like 2007, a race between two teams for WDC and WCC (Renault and Ferrari). This year, it is rather a three-way race (BMW, McLaren, Ferrari) for WCC and a 4-driver race (compared to 2 in 2006), for the WDC.

Thats because this year the top drivers making so many mistakes, allowing others to get many points they otherwise shouldnt. In 2006, Alonso and Michael shut everyone out with great driving.

You know this how?
Michael never left a team in his career? He left benetton after two wc\'s.

Is that why they didn't try and catch him?

Alonso materialise the tiniest chances to the result. My point is a brilliant driver like Kubica placed in the same or even better position at the same point in the same race, it was Alonso who was behind him materialised the win. Digging into the record of the last year does not make much senses as those are placed in entirely different situations.

It is like this, Some found 100 USD on the street, Alosno capitalised to become rich, and others just, by just little bit misses it.


It goes without saying that it was about the race in Japan. There is no way Alonso wi the title this year. So I will be most interested in who will materialise the championship.

are you sure? kimi or heikki's pace didn't look pretty impressive for me compared to alonso's

True, though Massa had a couple of mechanical glitches which have cost him a considerable lead.

Alonso is no more this years champion that Mclaren was last years 'moral' WCC winner. But he's certainly proved that he's not lost any of the qualities that got him the 2005 and 6 WDC's.

He would have needed at least two points as Kimi had more wins, IIRC.

Anyway, Mike, this was not my point. The point is simply that some people are very vocal basing drivers performances on the final standings. Especially in the case of Hamilton vs Alonso as the former came ahead just because he had more podiums than Alonso. Whether Alonso could do better that race or not is irrelevant as the crux of the matter was the SC, and it has nothing to do with performance but bad luck. A situation that did not harmed his rivals during the whole season. So to state Hamilton was better because ended ahead of Alonso at the standings, considering this matter, is ungrounded. This was this way just because things were how they happened and not only by driving performance.

Once said that, I agree Alonso could have won the WDC by himself despite that SC and other factors and I pressume the very Alonso knows it, though this is hindsight of course. I guess he felt he can't in McLaren as the story was unfolding.

Before the start of the race in Japan he was humble enough to admit that his win at Singapore was not fair to the drivers who had the best car. He said he was lucky and that is why he is against the new safety car rules which in his POV cost him the WDC last year. I totally agree..

I'd hate to work at Renault. No matter how many hours you put in, how many inventive solutions, how many advances you make, Alonso always gets given all the credit.
Hard luck if you work on the aero, the engine, or in the wind tunnel, you didn't do anything.

On the other hand, if you drive for McLaren (except for Alonso) or Ferrari, you didn't do anything, it was all the car.

Totally agree.

Alonso isn't the true champion, that's just b/s, but he is the best driver in F1 right now. Hopefully he will be fighting for the WDC next season.

in two races, he did. In the other 14, he didn't. That's why he's not the 'true champion'.

Don't forget the four 4th places, which mean ending ahead of three of the six cars of the leading teams.

And he ended ahead of those car by his driving skills alone, there was no DNFs, penalties, other things that had any influence on the outcome of those races?

Please, make a list of races were Alonso finshed ahead of faster cars whithout some weird circumstances, like Fuji where he won because Hamilton and Massa ruined their own races, Kimi had damged car and HK DNF´d.

Kimi and Kubica both had a chance and a car to beat Alonso on Sunday and they failed.

BMW was slower than Renault, just look qual positions of both drivers in both teams. Kimi said his car took some damage when HK hit him. So no, they didn´t have a car to beat Alonso.

Did Kimi's car fix itself when he started putting pressure on Kubica and suddenly became faster then the BMW..
Its very nice to conclude when your favorite driver is helplessly beaten that he didn't have the car to win..
According to this logic, Kimi's only had two races this year where he's had a car good enough to win a race..

If you had watched post race press conference or even bothered to read drivers comments from some web site, you might have found out that Kubica had major troubles with graining when Kimi pressured him.

And, you would find Alonso has graining issue also.

No need to put down a true champ, Fuji is a win on merit.

100 % the opposite, aboveall when alonso's said 1 million times that prefer staying in renault without winning rather than staying in mclaren and been banned to win

Perhaps I did not explain it very well. I meant, I think he knows NOW he could have got those two necessary points, but with hindsight. I agree that by then he thought it was aimless to struggle as McLaren had already decided who was going to win.