A Sauber driver after the event.

He was most ungrateful to not feel welcome by a tim that was basically racing against him.
Deplorable behaviour.

This was after he threatened them remember, tut, now thats real deplorable behaviour, he got what he deserved, he brought a lot of it on himself.

Indeed not.

I can see Renault being really pleased too if FA does do something like moving over for Massa when all constructor's points count towards grid position. FA could find himself on a sticky wicket.

As for what McLaren did to upset him - I think they forgot to kiss his ass - something which he apparently thinks is his due.

Hamilton needs to be careful of his own attitude too so as not to end up as big an "I am" as is FA. Button started out a bit like that but not being too successful cut that out of him. Maybe Hamilton needs to lose this year again to teach him some humility. I just hope if he does lose it's Kubica that wins.

Yeah wasn't that the "great" Fontana who saw fit to speak about it no sooner than a decade after this alleged teamorder, which his well respected teamboss Peter Sauber flat-out denied ever happened.

Exactly. This is a non issue.

The two issues I have.

I remember a board member commenting recently that Alonso had 'class'. To me Alonso just comes across as very bitter. Everyone knows there are issues between Alonso and Ham/McLaren, but I'm sure everyone would prefer Alonso to rise above this and stop making petty comments. Certainly not a 'classy' chap and this doesn't do him any favours for getting a drive in the future.

Secondly - doesn't this fall into fixing races? Alonso is playing with fire here.

err, if a football player said that I assure you he would be up before the FA

If a Tottenham player scored an own goal to help Man Utd win the title there would be a major issue.

another thing lost in translation I imagine - it would simply be a case of 'glady holding Lewis up' type of situation.

If you guys don't get Alonso even a little bit on track after all these years, you're as big a fool as any: he's so competitive and uncompromising, he would never put his own race at risk to help another driver, not even his best pal Kubica. He must have known that if Kubica were to win, he'd be within 10 points of Lewis given his position at that stage of the race...he could have easily helped Kubica....but he went for his win.

Get off your high horses; we have no idea what happened in McLaren except that McLaren say one thing and others in the paddock say Alonso was hard done by.

What's more, when it comes down to it, Alonso and massa are mates, whereas he certainly isn't with hamilton...doesn't take a genius, and much worse was happening and being said in the 1980s between friends and foes amidst Senna, Berger, Piquet, Rosberg, Mansell....

This is childsplay compared to back then.

Actually, it is very different. In Jerez, two teams came to an agreement in order to ensure that one of the teams drivers wins the title in exchange for a race win.

In this case, it is a driver saying he will do something. Unless there is evidence that he is receiving something from Ferrari, there is no collusion. If he acts of his own will, it is a grudge, not collusion.

Nope, it's perfectly fine if a player says he'll be extra motivated against Chelsea because he'd rather see Man U take the title. Don't make things up.

wasn't like that I believe, MS pulled a cheat that damaged JV car, williams was not going to challenge a mclaren fast coming behind.

Now that's correct but it's not what osj said.

Spot on Frank

Totally agree. The Senna vs Prost fight makes Hamilton vs Massa/Kubica/Alonso look like the fish-slapping dance from Monty Python. When Senna took Prost out it wasn't exactly a little nudge in some slow corner..

Exactly.

what you actually chose to believe can differ quite a lot from reality.
the agreement was in place and was found legal after the race

Alonso really can't let 2007 go can he? Thumped by a rookie, and can't move on.

Alonso is a great driver, but needs to be a greater person too. Those comments just reinforce the impression he is paranoid and insecure.

True, but this is what Alonso is suggesting.

Unless it's been lost in translation

So what?

gosh you (and everyone else exaggerating) have a short memory....

i didn't realize half of the posters here are saints.

cmon people...buy some humor, i heard its cheap these days.

It was a joke? If so, then fine... good joke.

If it was lost in translation.... fine.


Alothough I'm not so sure. It just sounds like a bitter man playing with fire to me.

True.

According to the WMSC document there was no agreement in place.

Exactly.

I reckon it's just a bit of mind games. If Alonso was really planning to 'accidentally' let Massa past or nudge Hamilton off why on Earth would he broadcast that fact?

c'mon guys!!!! it was a bloody joke!!!!!

it was the last question of a personal interview

"If I can, I will help him" is the answer. He was asked that the brazilian fans don't think Raikkonen will help Massa to win the title but they hope he will.

It's not exactly classy, but I prefer to have this kind of guy in F1, rather than 20 PR-guys, like some people seem to want over here. He gives fans something to talk about, someone to love and to hate.

exactly - its being taken totally out of context and blown out of proportion. Of course it will - its alonso. He should be flattered....

That's the Alonso I like to watch. A great on-track performance, and afterwards a little dig at his good old friends Ron and Lewis.

And Lewis deserves the despise of his fellow drivers,he brought a lot of it on himself

Dream on this place is full of people who take any joke that mentions hamilton as blasphemy

What a loser.

You don't get it, do you?

It was a fukking joke. Alonso likes to joke a lot. Seems that people here can't understand his (very Spanish) sense of humour and his irony...

He is brown nosing Ferrari to look better than Raikkonen

Doubt it has anything to do with alonso wanting something from ferrari. Id like to think it was a joke... but given the events of last year who knows. Doubt renault would be very pleased to just see him pull over and let massa through.

He's just trying to rattle Hamilton's cage. Firstly I really don't see Alonso as the kind of driver who pulls over for anyone. Secondly if Lewis thinks that Alonso doesn't care about knocking him off the track, he might be a little more circumspect about overtaking him - which might work in Fernando's favour.

Not pointing the finger at you specifically because I can't remember your stance on the point, but this 'classless non-PR speak' is exactly what Lewis is regularly criticised for.

It seems that whether this sort of talk is acceptable or even accepted to be a joke, depends entirely on who says it.

Is there anyone left on the grid who likes Lewis apart from Ron, Heikki and Adrian Sutil?

Massa describes himself as a friend of Lewis.

Nico Rosberg maybe. And his daddy.

Alonso has said that he will help Massa if he can. Tim Hamilson has sooo many friends among his peers that he should not be worried at all. Not even one bit.

Tim Hamilson, Ron Penis and their fanboys should thank Alonso to have someone to blame if Tim manages to lose yet another WDC through poor driving and bad judgement, although they may want to call it inexperience...

It's a classic comment.

Got to love the rivalry between Alonso and Hamilton, can you imagine the fun when Lewis gets stuck behind Alonso in the remaining two races?

I think Heikki is forced to like him ;)

I find it amuzing that some seem shocked that Alonso would say something like this, and i also find it amuzing that he actually said it. Alonso is being as honest about this as it can be.

Now, i don't think Hamilton fans should worry, if your driver puts himself in a position where Alonso is able to help, it means he's probably in trouble already.

Anyway it's completely legit for Alonso to dislike Hamilton and act accordingly, Glock also said he would like to force Hamilton off the track. It's obvious Lewis isn't making a lot of friends, but i don't think that will hurt his chances, he makes his own luck in the end, don't worry.

I think that this is the best feeling we get from F1 in a lot of time. The drivers are dropping the politically correct talk, and being honest about each other. It's very refreshing to see this these days. We should just enjoy it.

remember that from alps and pyrinees northbound minds are squared

f...... whiner needs to shut up and get over he got beaten by a rookie

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