D.M.N.
Oct 13 2008, 09:36
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71379
Renault driver Fernando Alonso says he will do all he can to help Ferrari's Felipe Massa win this year's championship.
"Yes, no doubt, if I can help, I will help Massa," Alonso was quoted as saying by AS newspaper following his victory in the Japanese Grand Prix.
Was this part of the deal? Alonso stays at Renault and helps Massa win the title?
I like Ferrari and Massa, but this?
No different to the collusion of Jerez 97.
F575 GTC
Oct 13 2008, 09:39
Well isn't that a bit obvious that Alonso would sooner see Massa / Ferrari win the title than Hamilton / McLaren? After last year it would have been very unlikely for him to come out and say he would do all he can to help Lewis win.
It's not really his positon to decide who wins or not, but if he moves over for Massa and then blocks Lewis, there's not alot the FIA can do as it's not team orders... :\
Anomnader
Oct 13 2008, 09:41
Originally posted by F575 GTC
Well isn't that a bit obvious that Alonso would sooner see Massa / Ferrari win the title than Hamilton / McLaren? After last year it would have been very unlikely for him to come out and say he would do all he can to help Lewis win.
It's not really his positon to decide who wins or not, but if he moves over for Massa and then blocks Lewis, there's not alot the FIA can do as it's not team orders... :\
That is race fixing from another team
This is a multi million pound sport for the teams and betting going on, if he deliberatly interferes in the WDC as such then he should earn a long race ban.
Craven Morehead
Oct 13 2008, 09:42
well, obviously after the debacle at Mclaren last year, he's gonna harbour some feelings. No surprise that he'd prefer Massa over the Mac, just like it was no surprise to see Ron Dennis cheering wildy when HK (temporarly) passed Ffred in the season opener. they are all human after all.
equality
Oct 13 2008, 09:42
Actually i bet we havent seen the last of that helping before the season is over..
D.M.N.
Oct 13 2008, 09:46
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rv23q9sZM , Alonso's comments make me think of this.
Lifew12
Oct 13 2008, 09:47
Originally posted by kar
No different to the collusion of Jerez 97.
Funny, I read that as 'collision'.
A driver with integrity would just stay out of it and leave the two of them to fight between themselves.
umapathypon
Oct 13 2008, 09:47
Alonso doesn't like Hamilton - shocker.
Originally posted by kar
No different to the collusion of Jerez 97.
At least Sauber didn't boast before the race that they'd be giving Ferrari a helping hand.
Craven Morehead
Oct 13 2008, 09:49
Originally posted by Lifew12
Funny, I read that as 'collision'.
brilliant
Maximus
Oct 13 2008, 09:49
Originally posted by F575 GTC
Well isn't that a bit obvious that Alonso would sooner see Massa / Ferrari win the title than Hamilton / McLaren? After last year it would have been very unlikely for him to come out and say he would do all he can to help Lewis win.
It's not really his positon to decide who wins or not, but if he moves over for Massa and then blocks Lewis, there's not alot the FIA can do as it's not team orders... :\
Exactly McLaren and Hamilton have made their bed (and enemies on the grid) and will have to lie in it.
If Alonso chooses to let Massa go by easily and puts up a staunch fight when Hamilton tries to pass than that is fine, if the driving is done by the rules than the FIA will not be able to do anything about it.
But actually I think it's just Alonso messing a bit with Hammy and uncle Ron, when on track he has better things to do than getting involved in a championship battle that's not his.
Unless he has already signed a contract with Ferrari?
Trident
Oct 13 2008, 09:51
Originally posted by Orin
At least Sauber didn\'t boast before the race that they\'d be giving Ferrari a helping hand.
Shame on Alonso for being honest. What a despicable character trait.
Matt Hughes
Oct 13 2008, 09:51
As much as I admire his driving, he should just stick to his own situation rather than sticking his oar in on something that doesn't have much to do with him. This season's been getting silly enough without random drivers down the grid picking sides and trying to get involved in the title battle.
whatto999
Oct 13 2008, 09:52
You guys obviously don't understand.
Felipe and Fernando are very good friends. They with Rubens make a group of nice friends. Rubens often talks about that group in interviews.
You know, Fernando isn't an idiot. Jerez-like move is unthinkable. There are others means of helping are you all know them.
Craven Morehead
Oct 13 2008, 09:52
Originally posted by D.M.N.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rv23q9sZM , Alonso's comments make me think of this.
that's a great bit of commentating. I really miss the Murray and martin show.
Originally posted by Maximus
Unless he has already signed a contract with Ferrari?
If he's not signed Luca won't have him after this comment. He's much more useful as Ferrari's petulant lapdog.
ensign14
Oct 13 2008, 09:53
From AS newspaper. Is that one that can be trusted? And wasn't it coupled with his joke about any Hamilton penalty being deserved? It's probably heavy-handed humour, after all he could have helped Massa by retiring on the last lap at Fuji.
equality
Oct 13 2008, 09:54
Well alonso is seen a lot on the ferrari pitbox lately. Its amazing that after their falling out at the ring last year, alonso and massa have become great buddy buddys. Lots of pictures seem to confirm that. Im also pretty sure Alonso told massa he would not make his life hard at the start yesterday as long as felipe had a good getaway.
Perhaps hammy should follow that example and try to create a bit more credit amongst his peers.
Craven Morehead
Oct 13 2008, 09:55
I'd agree with Maximus here that a large part of that comment is prolly just messing about with Lewis' and Ron's heads.
airwise
Oct 13 2008, 09:57
Impressive driver. Unimpressive human being. Alonso will never learn.
Originally posted by D.M.N.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=m8rv23q9sZM , Alonso's comments make me think of this.
Thanks for posting that.
Murray's reaction to Martin's comment is priceless.
stevewf1
Oct 13 2008, 10:00
Originally posted by Rob
A driver with integrity would just stay out of it and leave the two of them to fight between themselves.
Exactly.
Matti Poika
Oct 13 2008, 10:04
Alonso in “trying to win favour with Ferrari” shocker
Yes he’s a great driver but he really is a nasty piece of work along with it.
HoldenRT
Oct 13 2008, 10:07
It's obvious that he would think this but to say it so honestly is funny.
Gareth
Oct 13 2008, 10:12
Originally posted by Maximus
Exactly McLaren and Hamilton have made their bed (and enemies on the grid) and will have to lie in it.
If Alonso chooses to let Massa go by easily and puts up a staunch fight when Hamilton tries to pass than that is fine, if the driving is done by the rules than the FIA will not be able to do anything about it.
So McLaren had to be absolutely fair between their drivers, to the extent that the FIA put a monitor in their garage, but Alonso can openly say he will assist drivers in a different team and this is fine?
primer
Oct 13 2008, 10:21
Fernando was joking and having fun. Relax. It is like some of you guys are competeing for WDC yourself
Duck of Death
Oct 13 2008, 10:23
Originally posted by Maximus
Exactly McLaren and Hamilton have made their bed (and enemies on the grid) and will have to lie in it.
If Alonso chooses to let Massa go by easily and puts up a staunch fight when Hamilton tries to pass than that is fine, if the driving is done by the rules than the FIA will not be able to do anything about it.
But actually I think it's just Alonso messing a bit with Hammy and uncle Ron, when on track he has better things to do than getting involved in a championship battle that's not his.
Unless he has already signed a contract with Ferrari?
Don't worry Massa will never get past Bourdias again and if he does Sutill and Webber will have the widest car of all time.
Door swings both ways.
Well, this could be interesting.
Trulli and Glock "hate" Hamilton for his dirty driving and will make things difficult for him if they can...
Kubica has complained about Hamilton and has been told by Uncle Ron to shut up and drive. Guess how he will react if Hamilton ever appears in his mirrors....
Alonso would dearly love to trip up Hamilton's illusions of grandeur (a.k.a. a title).....
While Massa only has to watch out for Bourdais and Sutil......
Can't wait for the China GP
Originally posted by taran
While Massa only has to watch out for Bourdais and Sutil......
After all the red cars have done to hinder him this year, I'm sure Sutil is eager for payback
Buttoneer
Oct 13 2008, 10:29
This is like the brilliant moment in the
post race press conference yesterday.
Q. (Livio Oricchio – O Estado de Sao Paulo) To all drivers: the stewards decided to give Lewis Hamilton a drive-through penalty for what happened at the start. Do you consider that was fair?
FA: I agree.
KR: I don’t know. I didn’t see the whole thing. I only saw him when he came up next to me. I’m not sure if he hit me or not but they make their decisions, so I have nothing against it.
RK: I don’t know what happened in the first corner, so it’s difficult to judge.
Pretty unequivocal answer there
I hope nobody on the board is surprised by Alonso's attitude here. Even if it isn't professional, he must feel pretty badly burned after last year. Can you honestly blame him for thinking it? And isn't he just being honest by saying it?
Originally posted by taran
Kubica has complained about Hamilton
But why?
ensign14
Oct 13 2008, 10:31
For all the criticism from the other drivers, they haven't been unfair on track. They should all surely be racing as hard as they can regardless. And I don't doubt Alonso would as well if he were dicing with Massa, after all he has obligations to his team as well.
Duck of Death
Oct 13 2008, 10:33
Alonso and Massa were best mates last year after the Nurbergring GP!
Kubica shouldn't moan. He doesn't like Hamilton and neither does Alonso, perhaps they should be teammates and see what happens.
I take it their friendship wouldn't last long with prima donna Alsonso
I'm surprised the drivers have not complained about Felipe 'Torpedo' Massa yet.
He's been crashing and punting a lot lately; deliberately driving in the side of his championship rival and cutting off Bourdais for example.
And then there's these things with fuel hoses and unsafe pit releases.
Except for the incident with Raikkonen in Canada, I do not remember Hamilton hitting another driver and causing him to spin.
Maximus
Oct 13 2008, 10:43
Originally posted by Gareth
So McLaren had to be absolutely fair between their drivers, to the extent that the FIA put a monitor in their garage, but Alonso can openly say he will assist drivers in a different team and this is fine?
That was after the Spanish Motorsport Federation requested it because of Alonso's sudden drop in engine/car performance and was closely related to the promise the FIA made that the drivers who exposed McLaren's blatant cheating would not be punished directly or indirectly iirc.
Frankly there's nothing the FIA can do if they call Fred on it he'll say "hey I made a joke so what" and come racetime he lets Massa slip by and blocks Hamilton like there's no tomorrow.
Fair, fair dunno but drivers are just like people with emotions, pride, likes and dislikes and obviously Ron's grey outfit and Hamilton have done enough to get on Alonso's bad side.
The only thing I hope is that it all stays within the rules, either Massa or Hamilton winning because their adversary is taken out would very much disappoint me.
ViMaMo
Oct 13 2008, 10:52
Comeon FA, just drive man.
Ham's Cranes Ltd
Oct 13 2008, 10:57
Alonso will help Massa? You mean like british drivers help Hamilton? SHOCKING!!!!
Did you see Button blocking Massa in Fuji, and when Hamilton came, Button let him pass?
And come on, since when AS news are reliable. ¿Or you choose, by your interest, wich are true and wich not?
Originally posted by Ham's Cranes Ltd
You mean like british drivers help Hamilton? SHOCKING!!!!
Did you see Button blocking Massa in Fuji, and when Hamilton came, Button let him pass?
Yes. There is a British conspiracy.
Ham's Cranes Ltd
Oct 13 2008, 11:04
Originally posted by Rob
Yes. There is a British conspiracy.
No, there is a FIA conspiracy
MikeTekRacing
Oct 13 2008, 11:07
mclaren and williams race fix doesn't count?
noikeee
Oct 13 2008, 11:09
Originally posted by HoldenRT
It's obvious that he would think this but to say it so honestly is funny.
Yep. Alonso's obviously on a good-humour trip now with these wins, so he comes out with these "controversial" jokes. Hard to get for hardcore OUR LEWIS!!1 fanboys, but I do actually find it funny.
Don't worry, I can't see him crashing out Hamilton or anything - surely Flavio would be pissed off at Alonso driving anything other than the maximum performance for Renault.
For goodness sake, this is no different (for those inclined towards football) from a Tottenham Hotspurs player saying that he'll be going all-out to help Manchester United win the title by playing hard against Spurs' archrivals Arsenal or Chelsea.
In the case of Ron Dennis and Lewis Hamilton, it's also a case of 'what goes around, comes around'. Too bad for them that they pissed off Alonso last season. Just as Hamilton shouldn't be surprised if he gets few favours from any other drivers up and down the grid, given his behaviour and attitude.
In the past, other drivers may not have liked Michael Schumacher or Ayrton Senna, but they respected (and feared) them. Hamilton has been so busy demanding respect and admiration that he hasn't bothered to earn either of these by, for one, showing mutual respect for his fellow drivers. It's no different from some young fellow straight out of school turning up in your office and behaving like he's God's gift - any normal person is going to get fed up.
Originally posted by MikeTekRacing
mclaren and williams race fix doesn't count?
No because they are british.
JV and Hill always made it hard for Schumacher to pass when he was coming through the pack. Lets not forget that only a few days ago Hamilton was saying how he thought that DC might of let him past a bit earlier to help a fellow british driver
Originally posted by Orin
If he's not signed Luca won't have him after this comment. He's much more useful as Ferrari's petulant lapdog.
... and if Hamilson manages to lose a second WDC in a row he could come handy, too... it is always a good thing that there are small children about.
F1Fanatic.co.uk
Oct 13 2008, 11:26
Has any driver ever publicly stated he'd help another team's driver win the championship? I've got a hunch someone did but I can't remember who and when.
Originally posted by airwise
Impressive driver. Unimpressive human being. Alonso will never learn.
Tenmantaylor
Oct 13 2008, 11:30
Id really like to know what McLaren actually did to make Alonso so bitter. What they physically did or if it was just his paranoia or inability to accept the situation he was in being matched and beaten by a rookie.
Anomnader
Oct 13 2008, 11:31
Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
Id really like to know what McLaren actually did to make Alonso so bitter. What they physically did or if it was just his paranoia or inability to accept the situation he was in being matched and beaten by a rookie.
Well seeing that he complained about Renault not helping him win his second WDC, probably it doesn't take a lot.
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