Hello,
I've spotted a "Maki-Chevy" in '75 F5000 Long Beach Grand Prix entry list.
It was supposed to be driven by Clive Baker, with #7 and the team manager would be Roy Watkins.
Apparently it never shown up.
Do any of you knows anything about this car? Thanks!
Regards
Luis
Full Version: Maki F5000 car
Was this the fabled Maki F1 car with a Chev engine installed I wonder? Clive Baker seems an interesting chap, did he do any US F5000?
This is an interesting entry, Luis.
It's certainly not listed on oldracingcars.com as an entry at Long Beach. Are you able to provide a scan?
This was the race of course which represented - many have said - the best field ever for a F5000 race;
Redman, Andretti, Pryce, Scheckter, Amon, Brise, Ongais, Oliver, Follmer, McRae, Johncock, Cannon, Unser, Hobbs, Schuppan, etc., etc.
Did Clive Baker ever compete in US F5000? No, I don't believe he did.
It's certainly not listed on oldracingcars.com as an entry at Long Beach. Are you able to provide a scan?
This was the race of course which represented - many have said - the best field ever for a F5000 race;
Redman, Andretti, Pryce, Scheckter, Amon, Brise, Ongais, Oliver, Follmer, McRae, Johncock, Cannon, Unser, Hobbs, Schuppan, etc., etc.
Did Clive Baker ever compete in US F5000? No, I don't believe he did.
Originally posted by MCS
This is an interesting entry, Luis.
It's certainly not listed on oldracingcars.com as an entry at Long Beach. Are you able to provide a scan?
This was the race of course which represented - many have said - the best field ever for a F5000 race;
Redman, Andretti, Pryce, Scheckter, Amon, Brise, Ongais, Oliver, Follmer, McRae, Johncock, Cannon, Unser, Hobbs, Schuppan, etc., etc.
Did Clive Baker ever compete in US F5000? No, I don't believe he did.
This is an interesting entry, Luis.
It's certainly not listed on oldracingcars.com as an entry at Long Beach. Are you able to provide a scan?
This was the race of course which represented - many have said - the best field ever for a F5000 race;
Redman, Andretti, Pryce, Scheckter, Amon, Brise, Ongais, Oliver, Follmer, McRae, Johncock, Cannon, Unser, Hobbs, Schuppan, etc., etc.
Did Clive Baker ever compete in US F5000? No, I don't believe he did.
I've found the entry list here . A very interesting site in my opinion.
Regards
Luis
can only be the ex f1 car which had strange handling characteristics ask Tony Trimmer it put his leg in a sling for weeks!
Originally posted by brickyard
I've found the entry list here . A very interesting site in my opinion.
Regards
Luis
I've found the entry list here . A very interesting site in my opinion.
Regards
Luis
Well I never...
I wonder if the car ever actually had a Chevrolet V8 fitted?
Mr Brown will be intrigued I'm sure...
I would guess it looked a little like this? E.g, not that pretty once they had changed the engine
Sorry, no idea about the copyright holder it is a very very very old copy, from where? I don't know....
Sorry, no idea about the copyright holder it is a very very very old copy, from where? I don't know....
Originally posted by f1steveuk
I would guess it looked a little like this? E.g, not that pretty once they had changed the engine
I would guess it looked a little like this? E.g, not that pretty once they had changed the engine
My question, Steve, is did they really turn it into a F5000 car, or was it simply an idea that resulted in them making the entry for the Long Beach race...?
In other words, a phantom entry.
Originally posted by MCS
Did Clive Baker ever compete in US F5000? No, I don't believe he did.
Did Clive Baker ever compete in US F5000? No, I don't believe he did.
At least one, Edmonton, 1971 in a Surtees.
Vince H.
I stand corrected. A Surtees TS8 I now see...
Originally posted by f1steveuk
I would guess it looked a little like this? E.g, not that pretty once they had changed the engine
Sorry, no idea about the copyright holder it is a very very very old copy, from where? I don't know....
I would guess it looked a little like this? E.g, not that pretty once they had changed the engine
Sorry, no idea about the copyright holder it is a very very very old copy, from where? I don't know....
That's the Maki at Fuji '76 - iirc it was claimed to be a new chassis, completely different from the one that ran in '75. The car in '75 trim had fuller bodywork and an airbox, neither of which made it appear any sturdier.
Originally posted by f1steveuk
I would guess it looked a little like this? E.g, not that pretty once they had changed the engine
...
Sorry, no idea about the copyright holder it is a very very very old copy, from where? I don't know....
I would guess it looked a little like this? E.g, not that pretty once they had changed the engine
...
Sorry, no idea about the copyright holder it is a very very very old copy, from where? I don't know....
I saw it in Motor Sport. What gets me is the F101 and F101C were tidy-looking cars, yet this one resembled a bitsa...
Plus the Maki was a DFV "kit car" and the engine was therefore fully stressed, which is not an easy thing to get around fitting an engine for F5000, not impossible (Surtees TS16 etc) but not easy.
Surtees TS16 Steve? I don't recall a Surtees TS16 with a Chevy in it. Some ex-F1 cars did run as F5000s: two BRMs, a Cooper, a pair of Lotuses, nine McLarens, a March and a Williams but the only Surtees were two TS9s, one used in TS11 spec at Tasman and the other converted and run in New Zealand for many yeares.
Yes, I did have this entry list but had neglected to update my Long Beach results with the entry list details. I must try harder!
Allen
Yes, I did have this entry list but had neglected to update my Long Beach results with the entry list details. I must try harder!
Allen
Was Clive Baker the guy from Torquay or thereabouts? Had a son called Christian I think, raced Formula Renault in the 1980s/90s?
Originally posted by Allen Brown
Surtees TS16 Steve? I don't recall a Surtees TS16 with a Chevy in it. Some ex-F1 cars did run as F5000s: two BRMs, a Cooper, a pair of Lotuses, nine McLarens, a March and a Williams but the only Surtees were two TS9s, one used in TS11 spec at Tasman and the other converted and run in New Zealand for many yeares.
Yes, I did have this entry list but had neglected to update my Long Beach results with the entry list details. I must try harder!
Allen
Surtees TS16 Steve? I don't recall a Surtees TS16 with a Chevy in it. Some ex-F1 cars did run as F5000s: two BRMs, a Cooper, a pair of Lotuses, nine McLarens, a March and a Williams but the only Surtees were two TS9s, one used in TS11 spec at Tasman and the other converted and run in New Zealand for many yeares.
Yes, I did have this entry list but had neglected to update my Long Beach results with the entry list details. I must try harder!
Allen
Allen, I knew I shouldn't use my brain, that's whay books are for! Davina Galica, was that a TS16? I thought at some stage a TS16 had been converted? If I were at home, I'd look and jog my ailing brain!
Originally posted by f1steveuk
Allen, I knew I shouldn't use my brain, that's whay books are for! Davina Galica, was that a TS16? I thought at some stage a TS16 had been converted? If I were at home, I'd look and jog my ailing brain!
Yep Steve, that was a TS16 but still with its DFV in the back.
Allen, I knew I shouldn't use my brain, that's whay books are for! Davina Galica, was that a TS16? I thought at some stage a TS16 had been converted? If I were at home, I'd look and jog my ailing brain!
Allen
Just to be awkward David Hepwoth had a McLaren M24 F5000 car and that went the opposite way inasmuch it was converted to a F1 car.
Originally posted by Allen Brown
Yep Steve, that was a TS16 but still with its DFV in the back.
Allen
Yep Steve, that was a TS16 but still with its DFV in the back.
Allen
Okey dokey! Still, back to the Maki, I suspect it wouldn't be possible to fit a Chevy as a stressed engine, so not an easy conversion?
Originally posted by rdmotorsport
Just to be awkward David Hepwoth had a McLaren M24 F5000 car and that went the opposite way inasmuch it was converted to a F1 car.
It wasn't the only one. March 75A had a DFV fitted, as did a Surtees TS8.
Just to be awkward David Hepwoth had a McLaren M24 F5000 car and that went the opposite way inasmuch it was converted to a F1 car.
Originally posted by f1steveuk
Okey dokey! Still, back to the Maki, I suspect it wouldn't be possible to fit a Chevy as a stressed engine, so not an easy conversion?
I'd be very surprised if anyone made any such attempt. What would a Maki even have been doing in the US.
Okey dokey! Still, back to the Maki, I suspect it wouldn't be possible to fit a Chevy as a stressed engine, so not an easy conversion?
Originally posted by rdmotorsport
Just to be awkward David Hepwoth had a McLaren M24 F5000 car and that went the opposite way inasmuch it was converted to a F1 car.
Just to be awkward David Hepwoth had a McLaren M24 F5000 car and that went the opposite way inasmuch it was converted to a F1 car.
Sorry, but McLaren M24 was an Indycar, not a F5000.
Regards
Luis
Try the ring-route Motorway around London...?
DCN
DCN
I knew what he meant.
Luis,
Well spotted means you are awake!
Try M25
Rodney
Well spotted means you are awake!
Try M25
Rodney
When you mentioned the Williams, Allen, did you mean the ISO? I'm meeting David Taylor next week, anything you'd like me to ask him?
Originally posted by rdmotorsport
Luis,
Well spotted means you are awake!
Try M25
Rodney
Luis,
Well spotted means you are awake!
Try M25
Rodney
Originally posted by Mallory Dan
When you mentioned the Williams, Allen, did you mean the ISO? I'm meeting David Taylor next week, anything you'd like me to ask him?
Yes, the FX3. It would be very useful to know who they sold it to. I have it down as advertised from Westhoughton, near Bolton, in July 1984 but that's the last I see of it. It is almost certainly the car found "largely derelict" by a collector in Yorkshire in the mid-1980s but I'd be keen to get confirmation of the sale.
When you mentioned the Williams, Allen, did you mean the ISO? I'm meeting David Taylor next week, anything you'd like me to ask him?
Originally posted by Allen Brown
Yes, the FX3. It would be very useful to know who they sold it to. I have it down as advertised from Westhoughton, near Bolton, in July 1984 but that's the last I see of it. It is almost certainly the car found "largely derelict" by a collector in Yorkshire in the mid-1980s but I'd be keen to get confirmation of the sale.
Yes, the FX3. It would be very useful to know who they sold it to. I have it down as advertised from Westhoughton, near Bolton, in July 1984 but that's the last I see of it. It is almost certainly the car found "largely derelict" by a collector in Yorkshire in the mid-1980s but I'd be keen to get confirmation of the sale.
Allen, sent you a PM on this, quite interesting if correct!
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