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theE
Is it only me who thought it was going to be about all important and interesting events during the race?

http://www.itv-f1.com/Feature.aspx?Type=James_Allen&id=44254
Wingnut
It's pretty accurate really. Although Hamilton will not get a new engine at China AND Brazil.
Smudger
It is. What point are you making?
theE
There is nothing about 2nd and 3rd place. And their fight. Everything said from English point of view.
Anomander
Originally posted by theE
There is nothing about 2nd and 3rd place. And their fight. Everything said from English point of view.


I hate to break it to you but ITV is British.
F575 GTC
Originally posted by theE
There is nothing about 2nd and 3rd place. And their fight. Everything said from English point of view.


ITV's been doing that all year, this isn't anything new! lol.gif
theE
Originally posted by Anomander


I hate to brake it to you but ITV is British.


Well, Autosport/BB too.
Though both have probably higher ambitions.
wewantourdarbyback
Originally posted by theE
There is nothing about 2nd and 3rd place. And their fight. Everything said from English point of view.


By an Englishman eek.gif quick fetch Holmes I can't fathom this one
stevvy1986
Originally posted by Wingnut
Although Hamilton will not get a new engine at China AND Brazil.


he can actually-he gets a new engine for china,and still has his 'joker' engine change,so should he choose to,he can have a new engine in brazil as well without penalty
Anomander
Originally posted by stevvy1986


he can actually-he gets a new engine for china,and still has his 'joker' engine change,so should he choose to,he can have a new engine in brazil as well without penalty


For some reason a free engine change is not allowed in Brazil
as65p
Originally posted by Anomander


For some reason a free engine change is not allowed in Brazil


That rule is just another part of the big conspiracy, isn't that obvious?
F575 GTC
Originally posted by as65p


That rule is just another part of the big conspiracy, isn't that obvious?


It would be nice that upon reaching the the final race, all those which can still win the title (if it's not wrapped up) should be given a fresh engine frown.gif
Ricardo F1
Originally posted by theE
There is nothing about 2nd and 3rd place. And their fight. Everything said from English point of view.
Really? For a sportsman, let alone an Englishman, he was rather polite to Massa. I'd say that was written from a Brazilian point of view.
Ricardo F1
Originally posted by Wingnut
It's pretty accurate really. Although Hamilton will not get a new engine at China AND Brazil.
Why not? Isn't he due a new one in China or is Allen wrong there?
DiStefano
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why not? Isn't he due a new one in China or is Allen wrong there?



Can't use the joker for the last race.
BuonoBruttoCattivo
From the article Mr. Allen:
They’ve [Renault] found something in the last few weeks which has transformed their car. It’s either an aerodynamic tweak or a mechanical one which allows them to exploit the tyres better. Perhaps it’s both.


Very good, deep genius analysis. cool.gif up.gif
armchair expert
It hurts me to say this, but I thought Allen's call of the Japanese GP was his best ever. Fair and unbiased.
Ricardo F1
Originally posted by DiStefano
Can't use the joker for the last race.
Really? How stupid is that.
BuonoBruttoCattivo
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Really? How stupid is that.


What?
Risil
Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo

Very good, deep genius analysis. cool.gif up.gif


Well, what were you expecting? He doesn't have access to Renault's engine data, or the car's technical specifications, or a windtunnel, or setup info. And Renault aren't exactly going around telling everyone precisely what they've found.
pingu666
strange u cant use the joker at the last race
pingu666
Originally posted by Risil


Well, what were you expecting? He doesn't have access to Renault's engine data, or the car's technical specifications, or a windtunnel, or setup info. And Renault aren't exactly going around telling everyone precisely what they've found.


"hey pat, whats in this cardboard box?, its labeled 6/10 FA"

wink.gif
scheivlak
Originally posted by rolf123
I reckon his column is written by someone else.

I've used to regard JA as a complete dork. Then I started to read these columns every once in a while.
Most often the content of his writings is completely different from his live commentating antics.

The "someone else" you're mentioning is his other persona, hidden and held captive during the actual races.

Time for the "James Allen Liberation Front" wink.gif
Juan Kerr
Originally posted by scheivlak

I've used regard JA as a complete dork. Then I started to read these columns every once in a while.
Most often the content of his writings are completely different from his live commentating antics.

The "someone else" you're mentioning is his other persona, hidden and held captive during the actual races.

Time for the "James Allen Liberation Front" wink.gif
Yes I've noticed this very much, Allen is an extremely polished journalist with very good insight and opinion through his experience and knowledge.
He's a terrible commentator but i'll give him full credit for where it is due.
theE
Originally posted by armchair expert
It hurts me to say this, but I thought Allen's call of the Japanese GP was his best ever. Fair and unbiased.



But selective although "ITV Sport commentator James Allen analyses all the key performances".
Seeing the title I expected to read comments covering more events, not only those negative and related to LH.
Apart from Alonso's win not much more positive episodes are mentioned.
E.g. one of the most exciting moments when Kimi was fighting Kubica.
Kubica 2nd, rather not expected, Kimi 3rd after several races without points. Piquet 4th on merits. LH overlapping Fernando.
There was certainly more stories than just those important for LHWDC.

But, as Allen said "There is so much to talk about from this race, it’s hard to know where to start." It was also hard not to get lost.

From Allen's summary, try to guess who was on podium.
primer
Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
Very good, deep genius analysis. cool.gif up.gif


No it itsn't. No analysis, not even speculation. Just filler words. If Renault go back to 'normal' pace at next race they would have mysteriously 'lost' this mechanical or aerodynamic advantage?
Ricardo F1
Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
What?
Not being able to use your engine joker at the last race.
RSNS
He pointed out the surprising facts of the race: Hamilton's error of judgment, Massa's retaliatory new persona, Alonso's new coming, Mercedes's problems with engines, and the current level of punishments, which seem almost arbitrary. All those are relevant for the next races and the outcome of the championship: Hamilton seems unsettled, Massa is not to be frightened by him – this could be explosive. Alonso's form and truly impeccable race after a season in a bad car that surprisingly turned good: he may get in the way of the two probable champions. Mercedes's problems with engines is also bound to affect the WDC outcome. The penalties are becoming too frequent, and this is also a problem in future races.

It seemed a good analysis.
theE
You just confirm what I said, LHWDC verdict, not Japanese GP verdict.
RSNS
Originally posted by theE
You just confirm what I said, LHWDC verdict, not Japanese GP verdict.


No, you may take the LH part out (WDC and not LHWDC; and a verdict can't be issued before a WC is crowned). It just happens that LH is the top contender.
stevewf1
"Joker"... Is this a card game or F1? lol.gif
pRy
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Why not? Isn't he due a new one in China or is Allen wrong there?


Wouldn't surprise me. James Allen spent the entire race suggesting Hamilton could finish behind both Ferraris in the last races and win the title with his 7 point lead. 3rd at China = 4 points dropped, 3rd at Brazil = 4 points dropped, = 8 points. Either I misunderstood what he meant or the guy needs a calculator.

McLaren should have changed the engine on Sunday. Then he had 2 races (Japan, China) and then a new engine for Brazil. No idea why they've not used the chance to give him more HP in the final race. Then again nothing McLaren does these days seems to make sense.
hedges
Originally posted by Ricardo F1
Not being able to use your engine joker at the last race.

Not really, the intent of the rule isn't to give someone a HP boost for the last race just because they hadn't needed the joker all season. Still, it would suck big time if a driver blew up an engine in practice and had to take a grid drop when their team hadn't used their joker during the season.

McLaren would be aware of the rule though and as pry said could have chosen to use a new engine in Japan if they had wanted. Maybe it is seen as a risk to the teams to use a new engine when they know how the engine went the previous race?
equality
Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
From the article Mr. Allen:


Very good, deep genius analysis. cool.gif up.gif


lol.gif up.gif
Vegetableman
What is the point in using the joker when they may actually need it for the second to last race.
Seems like the people accusing McLaren of not thinking need hypocrite lessons.

As for James Allens Verdict, I do find that his written work is far superior to his commentary. It's on par with Martin Brundle's written work, and far better than 'professional' writers like Peter Windsor with his self important style.
He was also a great pitlane commentator, far better than Ted. Ted seems to get excited and not actually engage his brain before he speaks.
Anyhow Allen tends to be a very good writer, I highly recommend his book on Schumi.
pingu666
Originally posted by hedges

Not really, the intent of the rule isn't to give someone a HP boost for the last race just because they hadn't needed the joker all season. Still, it would suck big time if a driver blew up an engine in practice and had to take a grid drop when their team hadn't used their joker during the season.

McLaren would be aware of the rule though and as pry said could have chosen to use a new engine in Japan if they had wanted. Maybe it is seen as a risk to the teams to use a new engine when they know how the engine went the previous race?


yeah, the downside is if youve made it that far without needing a engine change, your penalised for your reliability. the last race shouldnt be different from any other :/

just a curious question, when they used heiki's joker, they said the engine would probably be fine, but small risk so they change... say his next engine goes pop, can they put in teh potentialy dodgy one and not get a penalty?
Tomecek
He might argue that he had his front wheels in front, but the team managers I spoke to after the race all said that FIA race director Charlie Whiting had briefed them in Singapore and again in Fuji that the car exiting the pits has right of way.
Has Allen lost all his mind? Since when on Earth has car exiting the pits right of way? Indicated how? By blue light at the end of pitlane?

Come on...
F1Fanatic.co.uk
Originally posted by scheivlak
I've used regard JA as a complete dork. Then I started to read these columns every once in a while.
Most often the content of his writings is completely different from his live commentating antics.

Ditto his last book on Schumacher, "The edge of greatness".
Matt Hughes
Don't see anything wrong with it to be honest - was surprised at how much I agreed with him throughout the article. Another case of people looking for smoke without a fire, I suppose...
eoin
Originally posted by Tomecek
Has Allen lost all his mind? Since when on Earth has car exiting the pits right of way? Indicated how? By blue light at the end of pitlane?

Come on...


I would imagine that the rule had something to do with the dangerous pit-exit in singapore. The cars were coming back onto the track on the racing line near the apex of the turn.
Gilles4Ever
Originally posted by eoin


I would imagine that the rule had something to do with the dangerous pit-exit in singapore. The cars were coming back onto the track on the racing line near the apex of the turn.


And that makes perfect sense for Singapore but for Japan? As said elsewhere I would like to see confirmation that Whiting did indeed say that for the Japanese GP.
armchair expert
Originally posted by theE

But selective although "ITV Sport commentator James Allen analyses all the key performances".
Seeing the title I expected to read comments covering more events, not only those negative and related to LH.
Apart from Alonso's win not much more positive episodes are mentioned.
E.g. one of the most exciting moments when Kimi was fighting Kubica.
Kubica 2nd, rather not expected, Kimi 3rd after several races without points. Piquet 4th on merits. LH overlapping Fernando.
There was certainly more stories than just those important for LHWDC.

But, as Allen said "There is so much to talk about from this race, it’s hard to know where to start." It was also hard not to get lost.

From Allen's summary, try to guess who was on podium.


I was talking about his commentary for ITV during the race. Normally he is such a Lewis-phile, but during the Japan GP he was balanced, he spoke of Lewis' mistakes in a more candid manner than he had previously.

This article was also a good, albeit short, summary of the main factors in the race.
Oblivion
Originally posted by DiStefano



Can't use the joker for the last race.


As far as I understand it's impossible to change an engine without penalty only during GP weekend, but you can change it before.
SpamJet
Originally posted by BuonoBruttoCattivo
From the article Mr. Allen:


Very good, deep genius analysis. cool.gif up.gif


lol.gif
Gilles4Ever
Originally posted by Oblivion


As far as I understand it's impossible to change an engine without penalty only during GP weekend, but you can change it before.


No, McLaren changed Heikki's engine before qualifying in Singapore

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/70910
Oblivion
I was speeking about last GP. I wonder if it's possible to change engine just before Brazilian GP and not receive a penalty?
Gilles4Ever
Originally posted by Oblivion
I was speeking about last GP. I wonder if it's possible to change engine just before Brazilian GP and not receive a penalty?


No
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