Ditto.

Lewis I suppose, but I wouldn't be that upset if Massa won tbh.

At the beginning of the season I wished Hamilton lose the championship, but the more I read about the guy the harder I find it to dislike him.

At this point in time I'd say neither. Let fate and superb driving skills do the rest.

Hamilton has done a good job this season. If he manages to win it in Brazil I have no hard feelings. However if he manages to stuff it there he really doesn't deserve it. And Massa will get it as a gift. But I can live with that too, Massa has had more technical issues than Hamilton this season so in a way it's not a robbery by no means.

Massa!

I've not that much against Lewis as such, even if he's behaved like a complete jerk on several occasions. Massa's jerk-factor is significantly less.

But thing is, after last year I don't want McLaren to win even as much as a teddybear in a charity lottery.

Neither, either - makes no difference to me. I just want this tedious little season to be over so I can start my annual next-year-will-be-better chant.

Hambo deserves it most, he's a really exciting driver, but needs a little more polish. But I wouldn't be upset if Massa won, he has beaten his vaunted teammate fair'n'square this season (and Kimi didn't even cry about preferential treatment!), though he still doesn't look like a true star driver to me.

Massa's driven well this year and defied his doubters. But it would be a terrible shame for him to now win the title thanks to the points he was gifted in the Spa farce. It has to be Hamilton.

Hamilton. Again if the FIA hand the Championship to Massa it will go down as the most undeserving crock of shi* World Championship ever. Might as well wipe it from the books. Hamilton won it in China, by any reasonable rulebook Hamilton is now 13 points clear.

Felipe will get another shot next year, he's a good lad and a damn quick driver. All this talk of "Schumacher would have won by now" is just plain horseshit and impossible to predict. Saying that Hamilton OR Massa have driven like morons the same. It's just plain nonsense.

Good point. Lewis would have been crucified in the press last year, as undeserving, if he'd won the WDC on the grounds of BMW and Williiams being DQ'ed for the "cool fuel" issue. WDC should be won/lost on track, not in a courtroom. This would just devalue it to the point of it being meaningless.

Tony.

I understand this point of view but I sympathize with Massa with the fact that his car has not been as reliable as Lewis.

- Massa won turkey, bahrain, valencia on merit and was gifted spa, & france. However he lost two sure wins in Hungary and Singapore.. The total is 5 wins vs Lewis 6 (counting SPA).. If Massa wins Brazil I can conclude that their performance this year was even stevens and that the deciding factor was the Ferrari engine dying in Hungary and Australia plus the team screw up in Sing and Canada.

I’m torn.
Traditionally, I dislike all things Ferrari, so I should want anyone but Massa to win it.
However he is up against Lewis, a man who continues to show a prodigious amount of arrogance, and a disdain for those drivers not fortunate enough to be in a front running car.
I am a “team” McLaren fan – but feel that Lewis would be a more palatable champion if he had had a few years driving a shit car like most other drivers have to.
So – with a bit of a heavy heart, I go for Massa.
All the above aside, Massa has made less errors, and is where he is in the championship due to his team messing it up, where as Lewis has made his own mistakes and can only blame himself (and the FIA) if he loses it.

All said and done, what I really want on Sunday is a corker of a race. It has to see us all through the long winter months of no racing. So here is hoping…..

Massa's arguably been "gifted" a fair few points to Hamilton this season:

1. 2 points in France - Kimi's exhaust failure

2. 6 points in Spa - stewards' decision

3. 2 points in Singapore - stewards' delay on Rosberg decision

4. between 1 and 3 points in Fuji - Bordais penalty (def. 1 point) and Hamilton T1 penalty (between 0 and 2 points, depending on where Ham would have finished without it)

5. 2 points in Shanghai - Kimi gift

Total of 13 to 15 points "gifted".

He's lost out (to Hamilton) on:

1. 2 points in Oz - engine failure

2. 2 points in Canada - refuellling issue

2. 6 points in Hungary (would have gained 2pts on Hamilton with no reliability problems for either, lost 4 points instead = 6 point swing) - engine failure

3. 8 points in Singapore - fuel hose issue

Total of 18 points lost.

So overall, a little on the unlucky side.

PS apologies for my coulda, woulda, shoulda mental masturbation that really means little. Just looking for anything to discuss really in what seems to be a fairly stilted run up to the showdown.

Couldent agree more he possibly could of won every race this year.

how you came up with this one.?. He would have finish 5th or 4th on that race. Remember that only 6 cars finish the race IIRC.. He lost either 5 or at least 4 points there..



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puncture is not reliability problem.. its racing..

I don't see how a puncture is any less "unlucky" than an engine failure.

Wasn't his puncture cause by Lewis's driving ..?..
It is unlucky but it is not considered a reliability problem, which is something that you can put blame on the team as opposed to the driver. The puncture is a different story..

Hamilton. He's as mentioned a proper racing driver. Even my wife sees that.

As in the past I have supported JV (I'm Canadian duh), Mansell and Gilles. If there is no fire in the belly I get bored. Seriously, who can support a man like Trulli. Borefest.

As for supporting underdogs? You ARE AWARE of the FIA right? If you support underdogs you are literally a Hamilton fan by default.

If he caused it, I'd agree with you. Little point in getting into that well worn debate again, though.

If he didn't cause it, I think it's just as "unlucky" as an engine failure.

Massa also escaped a deserved penalty in Valencia, perhaps you can explain it away as a team error, but it is one for which the driver is traditionally penalised. If a penalty had been applied to Massa then Hamilton who was only 5 seconds behind would have inherited the race, making the win count 4 vs. 7. I was actually relieved when the stewards didn't interfere with the race result in Valencia, but that feeling rapidly disappeared following the inventive logic applied to subsequent decisions.

I've blown a motor beating on it. Twice. That's exactly the same as killing tires. Why do you think they turn down the revs? To save a motor. That implicitly implies that you can effect change to the reliability of the motor. Just like nursing tires.

You guys think things through before postulating right?

I support Massa Ferrari combo although Lewis has been truly impressive most of the time!

and if you take off you tinted glasses who was the better driver in Valencia, ? Massa or Lewis..

Neither.

They don't deserve the title this year.

He clearly stated Massa. Read it again.

So who does? The guy who one ONE race? Faulty logic.

No.

And he possibly wouldn't have won any. FFS.

Just answering a question, what logic do you need?

There is only one logic. Show me a points system that rewards Kubica over Hamilton or Massa fairly.

You are spouting opinion. Got any fact or reasonable argument for them not deserving it or are you just typing for fun here?

why are u saying massa would of won singapore? shurely he would have probably finished just ahead of lewis without the pitlane drama?

Kubica?

The Question is Massa or Lewis - who do you support?

and my answer was, neither. Take it or leave it.


And yes, neither derserve my support, so there.

Lewis all the way!

My take on the championship thus far:

Massa:
87 points
+10 points for Hungary
+10 points for Singapore (Massa may have only scored 6-8 points with a good stop due to the safety car)

103-107 points
-2 point for Spa
-2 points for France
-1 point for Fuji

Total:
98-102 points


Lewis:
94 points
+4 points for Spa
+4 points for Hungary
+2 points for Malaysia

Total:
104 points

Some may disagree with the Spa result and still award it to Massa, if that is the case the score would be:
Massa: 100-104
Lewis: 100

As you can see it would still be very close. I'm not quite sure why people think that Massa would have the title "wrapped up" without bad luck.

Obi

Exactly. This is the same for Lewis in Canada. I think the best he could have hoped for after emerging behind the Ferrari and BMW in the pitstop, would be 2nd.

Obi

And you might wish to add at least 6 to Hamilton for Canada sans safety car...it robbed him of a 6 second lead before the red light bother, which of course wouldn't have happened without the SC.

I thought I'd made that pretty obvious.

i was thinking kimi and kubi would end up slipping off the road together cos where they feed in is really slippery, and its pretty tight too.. but theres too much of the race left to run, lewis and kimi could of easily DNF'ed anyways, or lewis could of won, cant really draw a sound conclusion from it, waay too much could have happened...

This is far different wording than what you claim to have said. Supporting neither is different than saying that neither of them deserves the championship.

NO, I also believe they don't deserve the title this year, so?

If you repeat that enough times maybe it will come true ;) And i couldnt give a crap who wins this season.This season i will remember as a season that no driver drove like champion.

The difference for me is that reliability has been a part of the sport since it's inception - to finish first, first you must finish etc. Confusing and inexplicable FIA rulings and penalties have not.

The point of contention here is that Massa is still in the hunt because of outside interference. That makes a mockery of the WDC in my opinion.

Apparently you have not been watching F1 for long then ...

If someone can actually tell me what that means. Why have they not driven like Champions?? Both Massa and Hamilton have put in some stellar drives this year. Have they made a few mistakes - sure - which WDC hasn't contained a few mistakes?

Nobody gets any points for guessing who I want but may I just point out that those of you who say..
A) Don't care.
B) Neither are deserving.

These answers show that you are either upset that Kimi and Fern aren't in the mix or you don't really get the idea of competition.
Yeah, the drivers make mistakes and yes the officials manipulate the results but this has ALWAYS been the case in F1.

To me, this year's final presents itself as the most compelling since '97 partially due to those errant qualities...goofs and cheating.
Dominance and perfection is BORING.

Jp

Hi ensign14

In my opinion the SC cost Hamilton the win, but he cost himself 6-8 points.

Obi

So, back it up. Who does deserve it?

I get competition, but I don't think those two are very good. not upset that anybody else is not in the mix. just saying that both the ferrari and the maclaren are good enough that one competent driver could have wrapped up the title a lot easier.

Since 1975. So only 33 years. I can't remember the championship being so manipulated in all that time.

In all those 33 years, no one has ever been penalised for outbraking themselves at the first corner. No one had ever been penalised for gaining a place by skipping a chicane then ceding the place back. No one had ever been fined for an unsafe release. Need I go on?