Dooly Tilly
Oct 27 2008, 22:33
Which of the two contenders would you
prefer to see win the championship in Brazil?
Massa_f1
Oct 27 2008, 22:38
Massa He is top quality guy yea he makes mistakes, but hes more likeable than lewis ever will be.
I'd like Massa to win, chiefly because I think he is still under rated, but also because I don't like Hamilton's arrogance. Still, I think Hamilton may be the better driver of the two and may deserve the championship. So with my head I think a Hamilton victory might be a deserved win; and with my heart I hope he does not win. There you have it: full honesty.
Atreiu
Oct 27 2008, 22:45
Hamilton. I think he's better and, regardless if he is or not, he drives for McLaren.
undersquare
Oct 27 2008, 22:51
Hammy. I really like him, he's a proper racing driver.
MonzaOne
Oct 27 2008, 22:54
I prefer Massa because I just enjoy the way he drives and he has matured - his overtaking of KOV and HAM at Hungaroring was superb.
As for Lewis - he has gained a year's experience and it shows. He is not as impressive this year as last because Alonso is not his competition, but I do like his natural tendency to want to win at the first corner.
I think he will do it this year and will be a tremendous ambassador for motor racing after the morose attitude and essentially pathetic driving this year of the tatooed RAI. Sometimes I wonder if RAI takes drugs!
I think that both MAS or HAM would be great world champions and I sincerely hope it is a great grand prix at Interlagos.
molive
Oct 27 2008, 23:08
GO MASSA!!
Any doubt?
DarthWillie
Oct 27 2008, 23:11
Hamilton, Massa winning it would be a travesty after all the FIA nonsense.
gerry nassar
Oct 27 2008, 23:13
Originally posted by molive
[B]GO MASSA!!
Any doubt?

[/B]
Put all the colours you want, we know deep down you'll be cheering on Lewis ;)
Personally, I dont mind who wins. Both would be deserving. Im not looking forward to the British press if Lewis wins so Im leaning towards Massa. Ferrari would then have 2 world champs in the team and next year should be a good battle. I just hope we have a great nailbiting race.
paulogman
Oct 27 2008, 23:15
couldn't care less, both have driven like morons. we need to get alonso back in a leading car, and hopefully BMW will supply Kubica with a competitive car. he drove brilliantly this season.
raiseyourfistfor
Oct 27 2008, 23:16
Originally posted by paulogman
couldn't care less, both have driven like morons. we need to get alonso back in a leading car, and hopefully BMW will supply Kubica with a competitive car. he drove brilliantly this season.
Not as brilliantly as Mark Webber though....
Originally posted by paulogman
couldn't care less, both have driven like morons. we need to get alonso back in a leading car, and hopefully BMW will supply Kubica with a competitive car. he drove brilliantly this season.

+1
BMW_F1
Oct 27 2008, 23:41
Massa all the way...
Lewis is a better driver but his personality kills it for me. i
Hamilton will surely be WDC several times, and could help to his [bad] attitude to wait a bit longer before he starts his series of championships.
Massa on the other hand, have the feeling this could probably be his only chance to win it, and in his home ground, would be awsome ...imagent he party that night all around Sao Paulo! ...with Kimmi in full strenght (if he ever get there again), should be interesting and competitive inside ferrari tent, but for sure not as easy as Massa destroyed Kimmi this year, particularly in qualy.
So go Massa!!!!
Lewis ...wait a bit more, we will all benefit from that for many year in the future!
inca_roads
Oct 28 2008, 00:40
Originally posted by paulogman
couldn't care less, both have driven like morons. we need to get alonso back in a leading car, and hopefully BMW will supply Kubica with a competitive car. he drove brilliantly this season.
Who, out of the whole grid, has out-pointed their team-mate by the biggest margin this season?
Hardly the driving of a moron. Hamilton has made some bad mistakes, but he's had some brilliant drives too. As has Massa.
I am quite willing to admit I'll be absolutely gutted if Hamilton comes out of the great first 2 seasons he's had without a WDC. But I'm confident he can do it on Sunday.
paulogman
Oct 28 2008, 01:56
much as it kills me to say it, but if you took Schumacher out of his swiss chalet and put him in either the mac of the fiat he would have walked the title this year. that is why I believe they both have driven like morons and not champions. out pointing kovalainen is no big deal especially as he is totally meant to be a support driver and no threat to hammi
Anomander
Oct 28 2008, 02:00
Originally posted by paulogman
much as it kills me to say it, but if you took Schumacher out of his swiss chalet and put him in either the mac of the fiat he would have walked the title this year. that is why I believe they both have driven like morons and not champions. out pointing kovalainen is no big deal especially as he is totally meant to be a support driver and no threat to hammi
MS made many mistakes in his time, he wasn't perfect, he has driven like a moron, so I don't agree with your opinion there, you also say outpointing Kovi is no big deal, thats not something you can quantify
paulogman
Oct 28 2008, 02:03
he never threw away a title in a dominant car, and if he was in the mac or the fiat he would have dominated especially against the ham fisted driving displayed this season
Andromeda
Oct 28 2008, 02:10
Originally posted by paulogman
he never threw away a title in a dominant car
Europe 1997
Anomander
Oct 28 2008, 02:10
Originally posted by paulogman
he never threw away a title in a dominant car, and if he was in the mac or the fiat he would have dominated especially against the ham fisted driving displayed this season
I don't agree, its just wishful thinking, its impossible to say if he would have done or not, the Ferrari was a dominant car when he was fighting against Alonso, what did he do? parked it like a moron at Monaco, time has just made his errors easier to forget, and while LH has made some mistakes we seem to forget that he is still only 23 and in his 2nd year and has had to contend with many dodgy FIA decisions which if we go back to MS he also had FIA decision but something they was in his favour aswell.
paulogman
Oct 28 2008, 02:13
in 1997? did you watch that season? the williams was way ahead of the ferrari
as for competing against alonso, it is exactly why i think the driving this season has been terrible.
schumacher would not be racing alonso this season.
it is anything but wishful thinking on my part. I am no fan of schumacher's, but the driving this season by hammi and massa has been shit
Andromeda
Oct 28 2008, 02:23
Originally posted by paulogman
in 1997? did you watch that season? the williams was way ahead of the ferrari
as for competing against alonso, it is exactly why i think the driving this season has been terrible.
schumacher would not be racing alonso this season.
it is anything but wishful thinking on my part. I am no fan of schumacher's, but the driving this season by hammi and massa has been shit
It doesn't matter how far ahead the Williams was remember luck plays a factor into this sport.
paulogman
Oct 28 2008, 02:35
luck has nothing to do with it. we're talking about whether or not hammi and massa drove like dopes or not.
which they did this season. and if schumacher had one of their cars would have been sitting pretty long ago.
he's a jerk, but he could atleast drive somewhat competently in a great car.
Andromeda
Oct 28 2008, 02:44
Originally posted by paulogman
luck has nothing to do with it. we're talking about whether or not hammi and massa drove like dopes or not.
which they did this season. and if schumacher had one of their cars would have been sitting pretty long ago.
he's a jerk, but he could atleast drive somewhat competently in a great car.
No you are talking about the "moronic" things Massa and Hamilton have done compared to Schumacher and I was stating that Schumacher has done stupid things as well.
Both of Hamilton and Massa have done some very stupid things but what Schumacher did in 1997 outranks them all...
paulogman
Oct 28 2008, 02:52
ok, now let's see if we can stick to the season in hand.
massa and hammi have driven like dopes in dominant cars.
schumacher drove like a dope in a car that had no right to be in the title fight at all. the only reason villeneuve was in a fight at all was because he threw away so many chances.
if we get back to my point, schumacher would have walked the title in either car this season because hammi and massa drove like idiots, not unsportsmanlike. just really poorly
armchair expert
Oct 28 2008, 02:58
Lewis and Felipe have both stuffed up this year, but equally, they have had some moments of brilliance. Lewis' Silverstone drive, for me, was the difference. Sure Felipe's car was crap in the conditions, but Lewis that day was incredible. So, marginally, I think he should take the title.
However, I voted couldn't care less, because I couldn't care less really. I just want a nail-biter like last year.
rookie
Oct 28 2008, 03:40
Would prefer Massa slightly, only because Lewis is a dick, not because I think he doesn't deserve it.
Although it seems the points won't allow it easily, Hopefully it goes down to the wire, whoever wins....I want it to be undecided until the last lap.
pingu666
Oct 28 2008, 03:44
lewis has already won....
Lazy Prodigy
Oct 28 2008, 03:51
I dont care much for either one but Id prefer Hamilton. Massa complains to much for my taste
AndreasF1
Oct 28 2008, 04:24
TAKI INOUE for President and WDC 2008!!!
MONTOYASPEED
Oct 28 2008, 05:29
Neither deserve it but I dislike Massa the least.
The Kanisteri
Oct 28 2008, 05:52
Felipe Massa
Nonesuch
Oct 28 2008, 06:58
This year seems rather underwhelming - but I'll still end up hoping for Massa to do the near impossible. He is the Ferrari driver after all.
Mika Mika
Oct 28 2008, 07:15
Because i'm sentimental I want either DC or Rubens to win.
KiwiF1
Oct 28 2008, 07:46
I don't have a particular like for either of these drivers or constructors, but I vote for Massa because I just couldn't bare James Allen wetting himself on the commentry and then the pages and pages of crap we will have to read if Lewis does win. He'll have plenty of opportunity in the future to win titles, maybe after he has discovered some humility, and gets himself some personality that isn't defined by section 2.11 subsection c in his Mclaren contract.
bankoq
Oct 28 2008, 07:57
I always support underdogs so Felipe Massa.
airwise
Oct 28 2008, 08:08
Hamilton of course - the standout driver of 2007/2008 for me.
And yes, if the FIA take it off him it will be a travesty for all time.
There seems a lot of negativity this year but in 2008 we've have great attacking drives from Hamilton at Silverstone, Hockenheim, Monza, Monaco. We've seen Vettel become the youngest GP winner ever. It's years since we've seen so much entertainment in a season, and so many memorable drives. Yes there have been mistakes but from nearly all the field and in cars decidedly harder to control than those driven to boring WDC's by the likes of MS and Alonso.
The only driver error free is Kubica. Well done Robert. Impressive. But he's not threatened the pace of the leaders all season and has never been under the pressure of the contenders so we really don't know how he would perform in their shoes. WDC of days gone by have made rookie like mistakes this year but people only see those of the two contenders. A shame.
Hamilton has shown a willingness to actually race that hasn't been seen at the top level for many a year. I'd be interested to see if any WDC of the past decade has pulled off as many overtaking manoevers in a season as Hamilton has this year - all from a guy some claimed could only win from pole position - in a car they claimed would be undeveloped due to the lack of direction. It's for these reasons that I find all this talk of being undeserving to be both sad and unfair. And in my mind Hamilton won it in China and only the FIA can take it away now - not Massa or Ferrari.
Voted Couldn't care less
I come here and read a few threads, havn't seen a race since Melbourne as that is the only one that didn't involve loosing sleep, the whole thing seems corrupt and pointless to me at the moment.
few years from now the interest may return, dunno not going to worry to much either way
Henri Greuter
Oct 28 2008, 08:24
Up until some races ago I would have voted I couldn't care less.
At that time I rated and preferred Lewis over Felipe. Enough to ignore he drivers for McLaren and Felipe for Ferrari (still my team)
But in the last races I have seen things about Lewis I don't like and have seen happen before with drivers that I lost sympathy for ever since.
Thus Massa after all...
Though again: Lewis is potentially the better but should not have been in the current situation at all....
Henri
Beamer
Oct 28 2008, 08:29
Originally posted by paulogman
couldn't care less, both have driven like morons. we need to get alonso back in a leading car, and hopefully BMW will supply Kubica with a competitive car. he drove brilliantly this season.
Originally posted by as65p
+1

+2
Originally posted by raiseyourfistfor
Not as brilliantly as Mark Webber though....
euhhh... WHAT??????
whatto999
Oct 28 2008, 08:33
Couldn't care LESS.
Tony Mandara
Oct 28 2008, 08:58
Originally posted by RSNS
I'd like Massa to win, chiefly because I think he is still under rated, but also because I don't like Hamilton's arrogance. Still, I think Hamilton may be the better driver of the two and may deserve the championship. So with my head I think a Hamilton victory might be a deserved win; and with my heart I hope he does not win. There you have it: full honesty.
I'd prefer to see Lewis win it, not least because I'm British (and slightly anti-Brazilian at the moment, see my intro post!) and he is a British driver in a British car.
So you don't like Lewis' "arrogance"?? Then you didn't like Prost, Senna, Piquet, Lauda, Mansell, Shumacher, Alonso............... Racing drivers should be arrogant by nature. It gives a competitive edge.
"Nice guys finish last"
Tony.
Tony Mandara
Oct 28 2008, 09:00
Originally posted by whatto999
Couldn't care LESS.
The fact that you even bothered to post this says it all!!
Anomnader
Oct 28 2008, 09:02
Originally posted by paulogman
ok, now let's see if we can stick to the season in hand.
massa and hammi have driven like dopes in dominant cars.
schumacher drove like a dope in a car that had no right to be in the title fight at all. the only reason villeneuve was in a fight at all was because he threw away so many chances.
if we get back to my point, schumacher would have walked the title in either car this season because hammi and massa drove like idiots, not unsportsmanlike. just really poorly
Sorry, but no, MS drove like a dope sometimes even when he had a dominent car and chucked away some races he could have won, he was great but he wasn't perfect and did make mistakes occasionally as do all WDC
Gareth
Oct 28 2008, 09:05
Definitely Hamilton.
He's made some silly mistakes and some even sillier statements, but he is for me the most fun driver to watch on track. Turkey, Monaco, Silverstone, Hockenheim, Spa and Monza were all superbly enjoyable drives. When he's on it, the guy is spectacular.
ensign14
Oct 28 2008, 09:08
Hamilton. He's won more races in an inferior car and but for unprecedented penalties from a corrupt and lying governing body would have been declared champion already.
Although if Massa were to win it perhaps people would treat the accolade as the pointless fiction it truly is. There would be no question that Massa would be the least deserving champion ever, with a couple of dozen drivers minimum more worthy of the crown that never won it.
Tony Mandara
Oct 28 2008, 09:08
Originally posted by molive
[B]GO MASSA!!
Any doubt?

[/B]
Nope. That's pretty clear.
Originally posted by pingu666
lewis has already won....
+1
emburmak
Oct 28 2008, 09:26
Originally posted by Dooly Tilly
Which of the two contenders would you [B]prefer to see win the championship in Brazil?

[/B]
Since he arrived on the scene--LH! He is currently the quickest man in F1 and looks certain to be th one to inherit MS's mantle. The first WDC should go a look way to proving that.
Rinehart
Oct 28 2008, 09:27
I like them both equally.
Although I've been critical of the percieved FIA bias towards Ferrari and the FIA's unfairness towards McLaren, I don't blame Ferrari or McLaren for that, its not their fault. They are both quality racing teams with fantastic history, infrastructure and racing spirit - I particularly like Ferrari for their heritage and passion as much as I particularly like McLaren for their contemporary scientific excellence. I don't like the fact that Hamilton was given a penalty for locking his brakes at Japan or the fact that Massa gained a spot from the Bourdais penalty in the same race - so whilst I have an opinion on the unfairness of that and theoretically where the championship would be without the FIA's tampering, it is only theory and actually, we are where we are and have to accept it. So who the driver drivers for really doesn't come into it.
Massa:
Well, my support for Massa goes back to his year alongside MS. I'd already spotted a fast but erratic driver at Sauber and felt that his year testing was a good move for him. Alongside MS I witnessed a driver that wasn't so concerned with beating MS, but one that wanted to learn from him, which was a smart move. And when Kimi's move to Ferrari was announced, I stuck my neck out and tipped Massa to beat him. I felt that the fast but fragile McLaren had flattered Kimi to some extent and that the closness of Massa to Ferrari would be a big factor in Massas ability to get the most out of the Ferrari. As it was, I was wrong in 2007 but delighted to see that in 2008 Massa has done it, beaten Kimi. And has an outside chance for the Championship. A Championship he will fully deserve if he clinches it because his performances at places like Hungary (ok, ultimately empty handed) and Valencia were superb. If anything, I have no doubt about Massa's pace, he is WDC material in that sense, no question, in my book and I really can't understand why, after so many poles and dominating race wins, people still don't rate him. What has the boy got to do? Win the Championship I guess!
Hamilton:
Its obviously popular to hate Hamilton for his arrogance, the fact that his career has been given to him on a plate, his ethnicity, his country, his Dad, or his aggression. But frankly, I see nothing wrong with what Hamilton has said or done, he's just a talented kid. First up, Ron Dennis didn't 'give' Lewis Hamilton a free ticket to the WDC. He gave him an opportunity because he had talent and there is no way now, looking at Hamiltons performances at Silverstone or China, that he's only where he is because he's been given a free ticket. Hamilton is also young with a huge amount of pressure and attention on him and he's doing the best he can to deal with it, despite many trying to trip him up at every opportunity. I really didn't want Hamilton to win the Championship last year because I felt that it would devalue the WDC for everyone, Hamilton included if it was won as a rookie. But this year he has had to fight for it and would deserve it as much as Massa if he pulled it off. Hamilton is easier to 'rate' than Massa, perhaps, Hamiltons best performances have been better than Massa's highs, but equally, he's made worse mistakes, so its sort of even stevens. Hamilton perhaps takes the edge in terms of car control. I love watching the opposite lock moments, the brake locking and the aggressive starts from Hamilton - it might not always be the fastest way from A to B, but 'style' gets big points in my book, its why so many people loved Giles and Ronnie.
So all in all, I'm not bothered, let the best man win. I'd be happy with either scenario for different reasons.
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