They will get a drive through penalty or 10 grid spots


The penalties are the SAME if Coulthard crashes Nakajima on the first corner, as to if Raikkonen accidently removes Hamilton's rear wing. Championship protagonists or not, it is irrelevant.

Of course he does.

I think Klien (?) crashed into the other Jaguar of Webber on turn 1 at Brazil, so a Kova-Hami collision taking both out of the race is entirely plausible.

Absolutely nothing will happen to Hamilton in the start, the days of Senna vs Prost are long gone. Relax, everyone.

Another thing to be worried about if you're a Hamilton fan is the FIA bias. If someone does take Hamilton out, then FIA will deem it accidental as long as there is any reasonable, or even unreasonable, doubt about the move being intentional.

I agree.I admire Alonso as a driver not as a person but would not bet against him punting Lewis off given the chance.

The spineless bastard has damaged F1 enough over the last year and should now stop his whinging lets sleeping dogs lie and get on with it.

hes had his chances before and not done it

would be hilarious if someone took out lewis or he went out for some reason, then massa either DNF's or doesnt score enough points

hopefully no one gets taken out

I wish you grow up...

Did you make that in MS-Paint, Engineguy?

Any accidents in the race would be just that. No matter what has happened in the past no driver wants to crash out of the race, they all want to get maximum points and sign off the season in style.

Lewis needs very few points to win the WDC -and has more to lose than other guys around him on the grid including Felipe Massa- sp it is essential that he stays calm during the start, drive a boring race and collect the points.

Hehe I will laugh my ass off if Heikki takes out Hamilton and McLaren get punished for it.

I'm surprised that no-one is mentioning DC in all of this...

His last race and all - will want to go out with a bang


















just jokes folks...

El_Capitán

A few races ago, Alonso also said something along the lines of 'I didn't see the incident but Hamilton deserves the penalty'.

Obi

Alonso is surely going to try and get ahead of Hamilton.

I don't think he will "intentionally" hit Hamilton, but I can see where it could easily be a "coming through - make your own arrangements" kind of thing...

...okay, we all know how dramatic this (first corner) could be, with all the hype and all-but when it comes down to it, nobody is going to have balls big enough to really do it... except maybe Lewis's own (gargantuan) stones on to himself!!!!

Good luck telling that to the Mob here

Michael Schumaker has his own computer software? Wow!

No way, just like in China - Kimi had a real engine problem that magically cured itself as Alonso got closer!

I do not know what he was referring to, but I do know what Alonso has said publicly to the anglo press and to the Spanish press. I do not know who Alonso said the above to or the circumstances surrounding his response.

He does himself no favours repeatedly saying he'd rather see anyone but McLaren or Hamilton win.
I hope it's a perfectly clean race.

what about Hamilton takes himself out - due to his agressive driving....as he has done inm the past, he tries to force someone wide, off track, and they actually fight back this time......

THAT is a very likely scenario...

Would you be happy if Felipe won the WDC like that? Its good that Kimi is a "racer" rather than a prick.

Bunch of internet nerds crying foul For that reason alone i hope something dramatic happens

I think by now Ron has hammered it into Lew's head to just relax in the first few corners so I don't expect any fireworks from him. All the people saying Fred will intentionally take Lewis out in corner 1 with 14 cars bearing down on them are on glue. Not gonna happen. I think we'll see a conservative start from Lewis and a clean start from the rest of the grid. Flip always goes well at home, Lewis will prolly just let him go. All he needs is top 5.

on what ground You claim such things...

to be honest only team trying to play dirty at the late stage of the F1 campaign this Year was McLaren...

including both Hamilton and Kova...

it seems You all forgot Fuji this Year...

Kova actually did a dirty move

he touched Kimi,and Kimi was the man to get full credit for his sportsmanship

Who could blame him hitting Hamilton after Hamilton deliberate move on the 1st corner?

nobody...Had Kimi hit him,Massa would not have to do any risky move later on...that would have cut
point gap quite a lot..isn't it?

so why You do not speculate that maybe Kova will be "overprotective" in trying to block any Alonso move toward Hamilton?

You wish Raikonnen to smash into Hamilton, potentially risking both their lives, so that Massa can be gifted a win?

That's sick.

What would you think about HK smashing into FM to gift LH the win? Would you like that? Would that be acceptable?

Doug

"I do not believe Lewis Hamilton will make it past the first corner of the race"
"There are many drivers in the field who do not like him.”

Nelson Piquet

Well at least big Nelson thinks Hammy is gonna have a hard time getting past turn 1

Do you think that are racing in the IRL?????

NASCAR drivers like Robby Gordon have no issue with punting others, certainly no injuries and it seems a sound way to go racing.

Any collision in a slow speed first corner will not cause injuries. You somehow think they are travelling around a 320 kph corner on an oval in the IRL

He said it to the italian press when asked about the penalty...

Exactly!

Such a reputation will be there forever, so what is the point? even kimi would rather ferrari won the WCC and lewis the WDC so why would he want to cause problems for Lewis. Nando is a born racer and the Mclaren has better starts than the Renault so I don't expect him to come into play unless Lewis has a bad start.

Rain is the only danger for both Felipe and Lewis, felipe more so.

I didn't say the first corner. Infact, Rolf was saying he would like to see the scenario mentioned previously, where KR smashed into LH at the last corner. Probably a 170mph approach, to an 80mph corner. You can not make ANY guarantee about how or when injury might occur.

Marshalls have been killed at corners considerably slower than that. Drivers have been killed slower than that. And anyway - this is simply a sick possibly outcome of what Rolf was wishing Raikonnen would do - intentionally smashing another driver off the road to give the championship to someone else. Is that acceptable to you? Do you, also, what KR to smash into LH to gift the championship to FM? Is that how you want this championship to be decided?

Doug

well your drawing is wrong, 2,4,6 are on the inside just watching the gp from last year and the starts on the dirty side wasnt that bad, besides no drama in the first three rows so im a bit more relaxed

Trulli has nothing to lose so I think its great news for Hamilton that he's up there.

If I'd be as a driver in a position close to Hamilton I knew that he will have to play it safe so of course I'd try to exploit this and bully my way past him. Not necessarily risking a crash but being aware he has more to loose than others. Nothing against Hamilton - this is just as it is.

WTF?

Did you not see Coulthard and Wurz accident in Australia or Fisi and Webber at Malaysia? - Its quite possible a driver could die in a 50mph accident in freakish circumstances.

Furthermore, although Brazil's first corner is taken relatively slowly, what happens if a driver has a brake failure on entry - he could collect someone at huge speed?

Quite - the very notion that one driver intentionally ramming another off the track to hand the championship to a team-mate is utterly unacceptable. That someone wishes a driver would do it - is disgusting.

No it's not - it's racing.

I suggest you go and watch a smash up derby rather than follow F1.

It's a destruction derby. It's not sport, and it's not racing. Condoning it or indeed, hoping for it, is fundamentally not acceptable in F1.

why dont you find another forum as you seriously dont belong in this

Do you have a link?

In the sketch, left-turn suggests that Kimi and Hamilton are on collision course, intentional or not. I want to see how Lewis will drive conservative out of this one without ending up out of the corner being fifth or later, and still have all his body parts with him.

isnt pole at the other side?

A short history of the risks of the first turn of Interlagos...

Ralf Firman suspension failure, then takes out Panis, 2003..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tgzUBtJjtvk

Boutsen v Comas v Herbert, 1992..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AQERICNbwv8

Coulthard v Webber v Pizzonia from 2005
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu7xCoAMl94

Quick Nick having suspension failure in 2006..
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DjvttqM3YwU

Mika Salo with a failed rear wing in 2000
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BS5IMMk_YqY&feature=related

Not turn one, but I'd not seen this very nasty crash for Oliver Panis in 1998 before either...
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HlpyTAJn_0k&feature=related

If anything is to happen to Hammy it's because he himself will screw it. But I don't think he will. Felipe and Kimi will take off into the distance, Trulli will have a train until his early first pitstop. Then Hamilton moves up in 3rd and that is how they will finish the race. 1FM, 2KR, 3LH. Ferrari take the WCC, Lewis the WDC.

Are you trying to deprive us from exciting next four or five months in here? Hamilton simply cannot finish fifth or better if he is to facilitate agenda on this BB. It's quite simple, actually.

I think you're dead right actually, providing Hamilton can get through the first lap unscathed.

I'm enjoying today already. Feels like quite an occassion.

For all the excitement of the championship battle, last year's race was quite dull, apart from Hamilton trying to defy an iffy strategy to charge through the field the only real racing I remember was Rosberg v Kubica late on. As you say, quite an occasion, but it might be anti-climactic.

I think the pure tension of the day will take us through.

As Quick Nick isn't in contention for the championship I'll be supporting Hamilton all the way.

And, dear I say it, my heart will be thumping quite quickly the whole time.

WTF?


This, I'm afraid is hands down the DUMBEST thing I've read in nearly ten years of reading this forum. Any time there is contact the risk of injury is very real in an open cockpit car; the driver's head is completely exposed. First corner accidents are among the most dangerous, because everybody is bunched up and racing into the same bit of real estate. Thats 20 cars. I saw Ricardo Paletti die in a start line accident in Montreal when Pironi's car stalled on the grid. Paletti was travelling at well over 100 mph when he hit him (iirc it was more like 150) and that was just the length from the front of the grid to the back, long before reaching the first coner. These cars reach 200 mph in a couple heartbeats. I saw Martin Brundle in a tumbling car upside down twice in separate first corner incidents; in one of them the car actually broke in half. I saw the huge first corner accident at Spa in the rain some years back, we were very lucky that time. Lots more examples. Any time wheels touch, a car can go upside down: I saw Villeneuve get killed like this, and I don't care to see it ever again.

You have no idea what you are talking about. All these people saying that there will be an intentional first corner accident are clueless about the real dangers involved in racing open wheel cars.