Maybe I'm cynical about lack of honor and sportsmanship in F1...




They've gotta have some kind of scenarios like these going through their heads.
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I found it quite interesting that - on RTL - the first guy to talk about "unintentional late braking and taking someone out" was non other than Norbert Haug..... Unintentional in very audible quotes.

Honi soit qui mal y pense.

Zoe

You have too much free time.

Vettel is going to the Renault powered team next year so it would be pointless for him to dive bomb into Hamilton.

If anyone is going to do something, it will be Alonso.

I can only see Alonso doing something crazy. Maybe also Trulli but not intentionally (perhaps when Hamilton makes a pass on him into turn 1)

Yeah... 22 hours between qualifying and the race...

I can imagine that tomorows race is declared wet, Hamilton crashes but still Massa is unable to finish at least second and loses the WDC by one point...

Maybe Trulli will crash into the 2 Ferrari's for revenge that the Italian team never wanted to employ him, an Italian driver.

Pole is on the wrong side in the sketch.

On the question, I think it will be clean.

Lewis will take himself out by pointlessly trying to get past Kimi in a do or die move. Lewis is a very talented driver with the intelligence of a ham sandwich.

and that sir is an insult to ham sandwiches all over the world

Who´s Alonzo?

Please check your spelling and the layout of the grid.

Then start your little 'Conspiracy Theory'.

I don't think we're going to see people trying to crash out Hamilton (although this sort of thing has happened in F1 before!). However I think Hamilton isn't comfortable at all with that grid position - all cars around him except Kovalainen are highly hostile and will be aggressive to him, or are likely to hold him up during the race. I don't think he can be happy at all with this qualy.

My very thought.

¡¡¡¡Y dale coño!!!!

Alonso has publicly stated that he does not have anything against Hamilton personally.

What else does the guy have to do to make the brainwashed McM buffs that he is not going after Hamilton?

Oh, wait, yes, he has to let the Brit win.

Why not trying getting your facts striaght, all the people who go onabout Alonso crashing into Lewis are not McLaren fans

Have you got that clear as it has being mentioned before when you said something similar so please stop repeating it and start having ago at the Ferrari fans and Lewis bashers that ARE saying this type of thing or does that not suit your agenda?

I hope that Raikkonen, Alonso and Vettel hit you in the ass

No.

The biggest risk I see in this scenario is that McLaren will take themselves out trying to second guess every move possible by the opposition. They have always had the tendency to overcomplicate things in times when simplicity is the way to go. All the ingredients are there for a classic mess up of McLaren again.

all hamilton has to do is to take it easy. He will probably have the speed to overtake during the race and the 2 ferraris shouldnt bother him, unless Mclaren want the WCC

Nice analysis, I had forgotten about Vettel and the inside line. Brazil has such a wide T1 that anything can happen.

with a 4-5 the WCC is as good as lost.

Ron doesn´t care about the WCC as long as his golden boy wins, Mercedes might think different...

Im not sure whether McLaren will want to risk Lewis's WDC for their WCC which is almost impossible to get now. I wonder if there is any pressure on Ron for the WCC

This race has to be run by the seat of the pants - Hamilton´s pants. All McLaren can do is to go for a safe strategy and rely on Hamilton not to mess it up. Problem is, that as usual they have made plans for every scenario they imagine possible and as usual they will be unable to respond when something they haven't planned for unevitably will happen.

If Kovalainen gets a run on Hamilton, starting from the cleaner side of the grid, things could get interesting; a reluctant manoeuvre from Lewis's teammate could be just as damaging as a more forceful one. But I'm sure he'd much rather have Heikki than Alonso alongside him.

Not that I think anyone will intentionally punt someone off, but Hamilton is very definitely midpack, and he's not exactly known for his ability to take things at 95%. I hope he goes for the win, even if he loses in the process.

I think all the drivers who are close to Hamilton on the grid are in bigger danger of being chopped and punted than Hamilton himself.

Maybe you could tell that to all the brainwashed Alonso fans who scream bloody murder at Hamilton every chance they get?

I see this thread going nowhere good really fast ...

Apart from the fact that this has been discussed many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many, Too many times.

I think everyone at the front will race cleanly around the first corner.

Yep.
Nobody, not one of those drivers, wants to destroy their reputation by getting involved in a dubious championship destroying incident.

Hate to say this but I agree.

There are so many different scenarios that could happen at the start tomorrow. I'll go through a few I've been thinking about.

1. A clean get away from all drivers and Trulli possibly losing his position to Raikkonen and Hamilton. (This scenario is my guess the most likely to happen)
2. Alonso could catch Hamilton off guard and gain a position from him this would also drop him behind his team mate too. (This would only happen if something up front prevented him from progessing up the grid or Hamilton got a bad start)
3. Trulli creates one of his famous "Trains" and takes Alonso and Hamilton out possibly Massa and Raikkonen as well depending on how good the start Trulli got is. (Really can't see this happening)
4. Trulli being in 2nd may be on a lighter fuel load than Massa so Trulli may fight Massa for first and if Massa outbrakes himself Trulli gets first while Massa either loses the postion plus more positions. Or worse he may end up taking Massa out. (Can't see this happening either)

I'm hoping for a clean race until at least the first set of pit stops to see if Smedly is a lying sack of s*** or I simply got the facts wrong and Massa's pace was genuine. (Hoping for a complete overall clean race though)

If it happens there should be dire consequences.

Even so, I don't think anyone is stupid enough to do that.

I just hope LH takes himself out by a mistake, let's see what happens.

If Kimi knows whats good for him and has the balls he will setup the car to point to the clean side and dosent stop for anyone with their front tyres behind his.

I think trulli in 2nd is actually favourable to Lewis...

And if it rains hard enough then they might all be starting behind the safety car anyway.

Say there is a huge bodge up in T1. What are the rules on spares and restarts from the beginning? Or would it go straight to SC?

How sensible.

No spare car this year so unless you can get your current car fixed up if there is a restart you're out of luck.

But he has said that he would rather ANY team win other than McLaren. So while he may not have anything against the man, he has a lot against the car he's sat in. If I were LH, I would be staying a country mile away from Alonso at ALL costs.

Doug

They will all be sensible. If someone touches it will be purely accidental and without malice.

Let's consider a slightly different scenario.

It is the last lap of the race and Massa is leading with Hamilton in second place, closely followed by Räikkönen. If they finish like this Hamilton will win the WDC title. However, this does not happen because going into the last corner, instead of braking, Räikkönen blatantly plows straight into the rear end of Hamilton's car, putting them both out of the race. Massa goes on to win the race and there are enough drivers on the lead lap to make sure that Hamilton doesn't score any points. This gives Massa enough points to win the title.

So, besides handing Räikkönen the mother and father of all punishments, what can the FIA do about this?

I wish Raikonen would do this but he simply won't.

Apart from the fact that Kimi still wants to be the only World Champion currently driving for Ferrari & KImi is a very clean driver.....

Amusing: Alonso punts Hamilton so hard that the McLaren ends up punting Massa out.

Race gets red-flagged and Trulli runs out of fuel getting back to the startline.

IMHO the most interesting point is going to see how Kovalainen defends from Alonso without attacking Hamilton, who starts behind the Trulli/Raikkonen wall and on the dirty side.

There are two drivers there that are likely to not do a full charge (Raikkonen and Kovalainen), and a Toyota on the dirty side -> the middle pack could get very tight after the start.

Let's switch it around again.


Does Kimi drop to third and give up a Ferrari win to another team?

Have you got something against Massa? What has he ever done to you?