RedBaron
Jan 19 2009, 23:27
Originally posted by x-ondrasek
http://www.mclaren.com/mediaroom/plogger/i...nt/_pg_5069.jpg
You can see rear wheel through it. Another coincidence?
Looks to me like the word Potenza is backwards in that shot, the 'Z' definitely is... thus making it reflection perfection.
se7en_24
Jan 19 2009, 23:28
Originally posted by x-ondrasek
http://www.mclaren.com/mediaroom/plogger/i...nt/_pg_5069.jpg
You can see rear wheel through it. Another coincidence?
Which tyre brand starts with the letter 'AZ'
AZNETOP tyres!
Anyway thanks for all the laughs today everyone, I'll buy you all mirrors for Christmas this year so you can have more fun with this amazing invention.
x-ondrasek
Jan 19 2009, 23:31
Originally posted by se7en_24
Which tyre brand starts with the letter 'AZ'
AZNETOP tyres!
Anyway thanks for all the laughs today everyone, I'll buy you all mirrors for Christmas this year so you can have more fun with this amazing invention.
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.php?p...7188&catID=3841
I agree the Potenza is reversed. But so many perfect reflections? I think I need some sleep.
Melbourne Park
Jan 19 2009, 23:47
Strange about the clear plastic. It must flex, because it is thin, and is not a composite. A laminated plastics is not really a composite benefit to stiffness. A laminated plastic typically is used in films, to provide printing and air barrier benefits, and to allow thinner films to be produced hence reducing costs. Composites in race cars though have structural components - like honey comb structures - which when combined with stiff structures but thin carbon structure at the top and bottom of the cellular honeycomb structure, make very stiff and very light structures. My conclusion is that the plastic structure on the McLaren is designed to flex. Also it must cover at least part of the stiff carbon structure. Its covering of the carbon structure would have had to add weight to that carbon structure. Very curious.
Racing Dutchman
Jan 19 2009, 23:55
Originally posted by x-ondrasek
http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/photolarge.php?p...7188&catID=3841
I agree the Potenza is reversed. But so many perfect reflections? I think I need some sleep.
McLaren is already playing mindgames
Chubby_Deuce
Jan 20 2009, 00:06
Originally posted by Melbourne Park
Strange about the clear plastic. It must flex, because it is thin, and is not a composite. A laminated plastics is not really a composite benefit to stiffness. A laminated plastic typically is used in films, to provide printing and air barrier benefits, and to allow thinner films to be produced hence reducing costs. Composites in race cars though have structural components - like honey comb structures - which when combined with stiff structures but thin carbon structure at the top and bottom of the cellular honeycomb structure, make very stiff and very light structures. My conclusion is that the plastic structure on the McLaren is designed to flex. Also it must cover at least part of the stiff carbon structure. Its covering of the carbon structure would have had to add weight to that carbon structure. Very curious.
Post of the year.
Originally posted by x-ondrasek
... But so many perfect reflections?
The fin part is just VERY flat, pretty thin, dead centre and exactly vertical.
Precision!
Its the humps over the exhausts, and the small outlets below/inboard of those strange flat panels surrounding the pipes, that intrigue me.
Hot air is less dense. Warming lots of air on the underside of the wing therefore produces more downforce.
Clearly McLaren are trying something rather different to employ the exhaust (and maybe radiator) heat
usefully.
But what/how?
Originally posted by Jhope
It is transparent. It's obvious. The "reflection" as some of you call it, is too semetric for it to be a reflection.
Chubby_Deuce
Jan 20 2009, 00:10
Exhaust driven rear wings are not a new thing.
GerardF1
Jan 20 2009, 00:14
Originally posted by x-ondrasek
http://www.mclaren.com/mediaroom/plogger/i...nt/_pg_5069.jpg
You can see rear wheel through it. Another coincidence?
Can you see the edges of the window frame through it ? No
If it was transparent you would see the continuation of the perpendicular window frame there as well as the horizontal frame.
Tenmantaylor
Jan 20 2009, 00:15
Originally posted by x-ondrasek
http://www.mclaren.com/mediaroom/plogger/i...nt/_pg_5069.jpg
You can see rear wheel through it. Another coincidence?
Best internet conspiracy ever.
Looks like they put a filter in the plastic that makes window pillars invisible too.
Those cheating b*****s!
If the thing was transparent the reversed '1' on the Mobil logo would put a dark shadow around the 'M' on the cars starboard side.
GerardF1
Jan 20 2009, 00:19
Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
Best internet conspiracy ever.
Looks like they put a filter in the plastic that makes window pillars invisible too.
Those cheating b*****s!
If the thing was transparent the reversed '1' on the Mobil logo would put a dark shadow around the 'M' on the cars starboard side.
You know I thought I had seen everything until this one.
Transparent car parts - probably made from unobtainium
Soon we will have a the FIA oulaw them because they do not allow transparancy in anything
My point is that there's something distinctly unusual going on here.
I would have expected it to be more difficult to get thermal downforce from the higher wing. But it seems that rear downforce is at such a premium that McLaren are trying something strange.
But can someone explain what the thinking might be?
Those shapes are reminiscent of something from long, long ago. Fan car era? Chapparal? Just can't place it.
SchumiBoy
Jan 20 2009, 00:21
Originally posted by GerardF1
Can you see the edges of the window frame through it ? No
If it was transparent you would see the continuation of the perpendicular window frame there as well as the horizontal frame.
It's only transparent to car parts
Chubby_Deuce
Jan 20 2009, 00:21
I'd say the most unusual part is that illegal rear wing.
Anomnader
Jan 20 2009, 00:33
Well, either way the designers at McLaren are all going to be reading the forum tomorrow having a right laugh
Its quite amazing thou that in every photo the reflection is always lined up perfect
eg:
Insane111
Jan 20 2009, 00:36
I had very few hours sleep last night, I blame it solely on that
And I was distracted as well, someone told me that gullible had been removed from the dictionary. They were wrong, I checked
Fascinating, Mclaren has developed a cunning cloaking device!
(it's a reflection btw, for the persistent believers. It's not amazing, it's how reflections work...
GerardF1
Jan 20 2009, 00:42
Originally posted by Anomnader
Well, either way the designers at McLaren are all going to be reading the forum tomorrow having a right laugh
Its quite amazing thou that in every photo the reflection is always lined up perfect
eg:
They line up because the car is symetrical
In the picture you posted what is the red and white blurred colouring runing down from the "1" in Mobil 1 visible in this picture?
It is the reflection of the Vodaphone on the rear wing.
it is blurred because the lower body work has curves in it, the "fin" is flat - hence it will reflect with less distortion, if any.
alg7_munif
Jan 20 2009, 00:44
The new paint they used really makes a difference, the car is shinier and people are fooled with the reflection.
GerardF1
Jan 20 2009, 00:44
To all McLaren staff reading this: sorry to have made your morning tea come out your noses from laughing so hard.
Insane111
Jan 20 2009, 00:46
Originally posted by alg7_munif
The new paint they used really makes a difference, the car is shinier and people are fooled with the reflection.
I'm actually a bit worried that I might randomly join a cult now if they paint themselves silver and claim to be able to make themselves invisible...
Slartibartfast
Jan 20 2009, 00:49
You people have no idea was you have stumbled upon.
I know the truth, and I feel I have to share it now.
The truth is that sc*mb*g Ron Dennis has been cheating again. This time his spy is a mole inside Area 51. What you see in these photographs is technology STOLEN from the remains of the craft that crashed at Roswell.
It is an essential component of a 'time-distortion' drive. It will allow Dennis' pet Hamilton to win before the race has started !!!
And the Roswell stealth technology means you won't even see him cheating!
I know this is true because it comes from a very reliable source in the CIA. I know he's from the CIA because he dresses like a tramp, drank all the beers I bought him, and he wears sunglasses indoors!
I must go now, there are men in black at the door.
...Or are those white coats they are wearing?
Anomnader
Jan 20 2009, 00:55
Many Renault designers died to bring us this information.
But secreted into this little droid is the plans for the MP4-25
Inspired from technology from many years ago,
I am in the fortunate position to show what the McLaren matrix has being working on.
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GerardF1
Jan 20 2009, 01:06
Originally posted by Anomnader
Many Renault designers died to bring us this information.
But secreted into this little droid is the plans for the MP4-25
Inspired from technology from many years ago,
I am in the fortunate position to show what the McLaren matrix has being working on.
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Wonder Woman
Wouter
Jan 20 2009, 01:26
Originally posted by RedBaron
After carefully inspecting the photo I found McLaren were running numerous transparent outlawed aerodynamic elements. I have outlined them to make them easier to spot.
With our ingenious cloaking technology, we will win every race - even Whiting will never notice!
Regardless of super-secret transparent aluminium (or something), I do like the looks of the car on track though! The old rear wing helps, I suppose. The Renault looks really weird, judging by the pic on this thread.
Slartibartfast
Jan 20 2009, 01:46
Transparent aluminium (or aluminum as it's inventor erroneously called it) is far stronger than traditional aluminium. It was invented in 1986 in San Francisco by a Scotsman.
wewantourdarbyback
Jan 20 2009, 02:03
But which is really better?
Traditional Aluminium or Transparent Aluminium?
GerardF1
Jan 20 2009, 02:36
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
But which is really better?
Traditional Aluminium or Transparent Aluminium?
Transparent Aluminium is better. You can see through it. Duh !
It would really make for an interesting engine block - you can watch the pistons and see why it went KaBoom
I would believe in transparent aluminium before I would belive in transparent carbon fibre.
senna da silva
Jan 20 2009, 02:56
If it were transparent you'd clearly see the 1 from "Mobil 1" transposed from the other side under the M. Similarily you'd see the Z from "Mercedes Benz" transposed under the M. This is a very lucky shot as the car is in motion.
kids like ash
Jan 20 2009, 04:55
i cant believe the idiots that have spent two pages going on about bloody reflections, who cares? wqhats the weather like in Portugal today?
1fastSS
Jan 20 2009, 05:53
Originally posted by kids like ash
i cant believe the idiots that have spent two pages going on about bloody reflections, who cares? wqhats the weather like in Portugal today?
Seems to be CLEAR.....

AHhahahahahahah I'm hilarious.
Gemini
Jan 20 2009, 06:43
It's only January 20th and we have seen clear favotites for 'post of the year' award. All in this thread...
I only cautgh up this morning with this thread last 3 pages and I could not believe my eyes when I understood that 'Transparency International' group were actually SERIOUS in their posts.
Now I am off to face the bathroom mirror.
Originally posted by 1fastSS
Seems to be CLEAR.....
AHhahahahahahah I'm hilarious.
LMAO
Classic couple of pages of posts there
Originally posted by wewantourdarbyback
But which is really better?
Traditional Aluminium or Transparent Aluminium?
What are the chances?
This is a bit like the (pre 2007) annual Ferrari fans' 'is it zero keel' debate.
When the thing was zero keel, it was damn obvious. I think the same will be true here
hunnylander
Jan 20 2009, 10:39
Originally posted by GerardF1
To all McLaren staff reading this: sorry to have made your morning tea come out your noses from laughing so hard.
"What? Transparent?"
Ham's Cranes Ltd
Jan 20 2009, 10:39
Ok, I'm 99,9% sure that is just a reflection, but in this picture you can see an "e" (or part of it), but that should be a "v" because it's the reflection of the other side
Oh my, this thread is a classic; I haven't read anything this funny on this board in months!
If you put a flat mirror exactly on the symmetry plane of a symmetric object, just what exactly do some of you think you will see? It's not a coincidence that from all shots the images are perfectly matched, it's exactly what's expected!
wingwalker
Jan 20 2009, 11:06
Originally posted by GerardF1
To all McLaren staff reading this: sorry to have made your morning tea come out your noses from laughing so hard.
Seriously, that would totally deorganize work for quite some time. 'transparent aluminum'. 'too symetrical to be a reflection'. Staff at Woking is peeing in their pants.
Originally posted by Ham's Cranes Ltd
Ok, I'm 99,9% sure that is just a reflection, but in this picture you can see an "e" (or part of it), but that should be a "v" because it's the reflection of the other side
I`m pretty sure you see the refletcion of the "o".
se7en_24
Jan 20 2009, 11:11
Originally posted by Ham's Cranes Ltd
Ok, I'm 99,9% sure that is just a reflection, but in this picture you can see an "e" (or part of it), but that should be a "v" because it's the reflection of the other side
It looks like the bottom of a 'v' to me, nothing like an 'e'. It certainly doesn't line up with the e anyway.
Anomnader
Jan 20 2009, 11:13
To be honest, I think Ron should come out with a public statement on this matter, top priority
wingwalker
Jan 20 2009, 11:17
Well, Whitmarsh recently called for more transparency in the rules...
Dragonfly
Jan 20 2009, 11:26
Well guys, since I think I was the one to start the transparency talk, the more I look, the more I tend to agree it's a reflection. But what a perfect symmetry and smooth mirror surfaces, wow!
it is a reflection if you look closely there are minute changes in theline, looks cool though.
Chubby_Deuce
Jan 20 2009, 11:28
We need to start a poll to settle this.
wingwalker
Jan 20 2009, 11:32
Originally posted by Chubby_Deuce
We need to start a poll to settle this.
Is there a way the voting options transparent?
I vote that it is a reflection. It's curious that no matter what picture you see, it is almost perfect, but we know that te cover is carbon and there is no reason for it to be a different material.
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