Flattering the car? Did he say anything else?

Huh, I never knew that - is that an official thing?

I know there was some talk about moveable wings when Mosley proposed it along with the 22k RPM and 4WD KERS.

Hi Femi

What's your predictions for next year?

All pointing to a major push to get back to being competitive for 2010.

Why?

How do you know Toyota's engine is the worst?

I was talking the present.

yup.

interesting to see how the increase in flap movement degrees and the fact that now the rear flap can also be moved possibly increases its use as an overtaking tool...the problem right now is that once the flap is moved downforce experienced by the car is so unpredictable at different points that its impossible to synchronize.the only use it has is stated above in may post.

an earlier edition of F1 racing mentioned the reason for the sudden changes in drag is because the front flap is very height sensitive as it is so low to the ground..even minimal quick changes mean exaggerated changes in aero levels.

im still interested in why some teams uses hydaulics and why some electric systems...and what were the relative results of these two..was one marginally better?..shouldnt the hydraulic sys move the flap quicker as compared to the electric motor?...does the motor weight post any issues..
perhaps andy could help answer these

We've discussed this alot, and what you're saying is wrong. Mclaren and Ferrari purposefully ran less downforce so they can be quicker than RBR in S3. They knew that they will suffer in S1 in suzuka but for them the advantage of less drag in S3 made it worth it. If McLaren ran the same amount of wing as RBR they would've been much closer to RBR in S1 but they would've been most likely much slower in S3.

And where are you getting these numbers from anyway? 35% better aero, 15-25% in bodywork aero, etc.?

Its not in the latest published regs
http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/1...20-%20CLEAN.pdf

I think the FIA ditched it.

Are you saying Kimi set his fastest lap of the race or the fastest lap of the race? Redbull was the king of Suzuka and actually the fastest lap was set by Mark webber ....1:32.569. Vettel made the 2nd fastest lap.

At one point in the race Kimi held the fastest lap, which was eventually surpassed by the Red Bulls.

That is funny, I'm the complete opposite, If McLaren can't fight for the championship the team I'd least like to win is Ferrari. That is why this year hasn't been as disappointing as 2006 or 2004 for example.

holy crap, a mclaren fan just stated if mclaren don't win they want ferrari to? ARE YOU FEELING OKAY? Mclaren, then everyone, then no one, THEN ferrari.

Spoken like a true McLaren fan. And now that Kimi is out of there it makes my life a little bit easier, though I'd root for FA now & then.

what? now and then? even if it's a classic Ferrari vs McLaren championship fight?

I'd prefer Ferrari over Brawn too, don't think I can stand Mercedes being all smug..

I'd cheer for FA when both McLarens are out of the picture (which hopefully will not happen).

I thought that the movable rear wing was one of mad max's threats about what the cost capped teams would have at their disposal.

It was certainly in the regs published back in April. I wish they would give us the reasons for changing these sort of things. I wonder if the teams are finding that moveable wings just don't work properly because of the interaction with the airflow from the rest of the car.

When the 2 class regs where on the table.

True.

They'll be subject to hysteresis as well, particularly at the lower speeds.

Iley also left Ferrari this year too, he was head of the Aero department.

Andy, could you give us a clue on which engine units will Lewis and heikki be using for the last two races?

Thanks!

Engine usage thus far. Renault can use a new one at each of the last 2 races.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/10/9952.html

McLaren-Mercedes
Lewis Hamilton - 7
Heikki Kovalainen - 7

Ferrari
Giancarlo Fisichella - 7
Kimi Raikkonen - 7

BMW Sauber
Robert Kubica - 8
Nick Heidfeld - 9

Renault
Fernando Alonso - 6
Romain Grosjean - 6

Toyota
Jarno Trulli - 7
Timo Glock - 7

STR-Ferrari
Jaime Alguersuari - 6
Sebastien Buemi - 6

RBR-Renault
Mark Webber - 7
Sebastian Vettel - 8

Williams-Toyota
Nico Rosberg - 7
Kazuki Nakajima - 7

Force India-Mercedes
Adrian Sutil - 7
Vitantonio Liuzzi - 7

Brawn-Mercedes
Jenson Button - 7
Rubens Barrichello - 7

Agreed, here.

The only thing that Ferrari have going for them is Kimi, and soon.. he'll be ours

From TheFifthDriver:

http://twitpic.com/klaih
http://twitpic.com/klatv (The Active Ride was so sophisticated on the MP4/8 they used to raise the ride height for individual manhole covers round Monaco)

This.

Toro Rosso also.

If you take a look here it can be clearly seen that

- Alonso and Grosjean used the 7th engine from FP1 onwards.
- Alguersuari and Buemi took their 7th engine from FP3 onwards.
- Glock, Trulli, Nakajima and Rosberg put on their 8th engine from FP3 onwards.
- Webber started the event with a brand new 8th engine.

I thought Nic kTombazis was head of aera at Spaghetti World?

Wow! The Renault sure seems solid at a glance eh?

STR use Ferrari units

Oh yeah, duh

*slaps self*

???

Nick Tombazis, head of aero, Ferrari...sorry its friday afternoon after a long shit hard week and ive had a few beers its hard to concentrate haha

I know its about Tombazis, but what does it means on this thread

Nik is the Chief Engineer at Scuderia Ferrari now.

Chief Designer I think they call it.

Oh it was in relation to andy's post, i think they're calling it fettucini these days? hahaha.

Maybe I missed something, but it seems that nobody gives a hoot that Ferrari are letting it known that they are unsure if they'll be in F1 beyond 2012. The reason why I am posting this here is just there is no where else active that Ferrari or their car is been discussed in this forum.

Personally, I don't care one bit if they leave F1. I am just a little bit fed up with their management style at the moment.

When did Ferrari say that they will leave F1 after 2012?

I did not write that they would leave. Read my post again.
It is all over motor sport news sources this week.

They're threatening to quit again? no wonder no one cares
I wonder what they want this time.

3 car teams.

Brazil preview:
http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2009/brazil/index.php

Lewis said (on the bbc) that he doesn't think they will be able to win there though.

Remember what he said on fridays of Hungary and Singapore. He uses to underestimate.

They know RBR is pushing very hard its development, that's the real enemy for Interlagos, IMO, but the track is great for KERS and SilverDonkey® McAero™. I'm hoping to close the season with 4 victories, as Abu Dhabi seems to be a very McLaren-loving track.

is there a single team around that supports ferrari's 3 car idea?

SilverDonkey® McAero™

It would be great to win in Brazil, after the last couple of years.

To the best of my Knowledge, no. Other teams are acceptable to the idea of a rotating system, i.e., Ferrari - 3cars for this GP, McLaren - 3cars for the next GP and so on. Plus other teams prefer a young and upcoming driver/reserve/test driver to be given the third car, whereas Ferrari wants - FA, FM & MS. Though, if I were Luca I'd worry more about how to contain the fallout from a potential clash of interests between the two Latin drivers, without a Teutonic 7XWDC thown into the brouhaha for a good measure.

Considering performance at Suzuka I think a podium finish will be possible.
Interlagos has only three fast corners, one at each sectors - in S1 there is a long straight after fast turn 3 (taken to 5th gear), in S2 there is 3 slow corners after fast combination of turn 6 and 7(taken to 5th gear), and in S3 there is a final corner (taken to 6th gear), witch head to the start-finish straight. So I think McLaren`s KERS will be enough to almost eliminate aero disadvantage.

With high altitude and humidity, Vettel`s last engine will face the toughest challenge this year. Brawn I think will play safe, even that will be the case only for Button... so Maccas chances raise a little, with their fight only for points, not for the championships.
I don`t know, I still believe a podium will be great achievement, we still have no speed to think for victories at every circuit. So fingers crossed, we got to leave Brazil third on the WCC.