Yes, Ilmor is still a seperate operation, but MBHE is still the incarnation of the 'original' Ilmor. What many casual observers don't comprehend though is the fundamental influence and detrimental effect the death of Paul Morgan had on the operation. It would be as if Duckworth were suddenly without Costin as the DFV were developed.
More pertinently, all of us Macca fans of however many years standing should lament the passing of Teddy Mayer. Mayer was the link between Bruce McLaren and the subsequent Dennis years and without his efforts and commitment the McLaren name may have been a footnote in history and instead I would be a 'Project 4' supporter!
As a fitting epitaph, James Hunt, who had a 'complex' relationship with Mayer and called him "the Weiner", said after his victory at the 'Ring in '76 (and before the severity of Lauda's injuries were evident) that his abiding memory of the day was Teddy Mayers' reaction
"It was the Weiners face.McLarens had never won at the Ringand had always gone home with written-off cars in the truck.So when I stood on the winners rostrum, there was the Weiner in his Goodyear cap, which doesn't fit him anyway - it's far too big for him - with that ridiculous grin on his face that he wears and can't wipe off. If you tell him to behave himself it just makes it worse, just splits him from ear to ear and he looks like a monkey standing there grinning.
But it was tremendously gratifying to me to see him so happy. He's really an enthusiast, the Weiner, pure and simple. he could do plenty of other things with his life and makes a lot more money but he goes racing because he loves it. To see that result was so gratifying for him. He was absolutely thrilled, beside himself with joy after the race. I got more pleasure from that than I did from winning the race!"
Without Teddy Mayer and others there would be no MP4-24 or Vodafone McLaren Mercedes. Let us hope that he was both thrilled with previous sucesses and that this year we can bring another championship (or preferably 2) in his memory.
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Originally posted by Impellam
Yes, Ilmor is still a seperate operation, but MBHE is still the incarnation of the 'original' Ilmor. What many casual observers don't comprehend though is the fundamental influence and detrimental effect the death of Paul Morgan had on the operation. It would be as if Duckworth were suddenly without Costin as the DFV were developed.
More pertinently, all of us Macca fans of however many years standing should lament the passing of Teddy Mayer. Mayer was the link between Bruce McLaren and the subsequent Dennis years and without his efforts and commitment the McLaren name may have been a footnote in history and instead I would be a 'Project 4' supporter!
As a fitting epitaph, James Hunt, who had a 'complex' relationship with Mayer and called him "the Weiner", said after his victory at the 'Ring in '76 (and before the severity of Lauda's injuries were evident) that his abiding memory of the day was Teddy Mayers' reaction
"It was the Weiners face.McLarens had never won at the Ringand had always gone home with written-off cars in the truck.So when I stood on the winners rostrum, there was the Weiner in his Goodyear cap, which doesn't fit him anyway - it's far too big for him - with that ridiculous grin on his face that he wears and can't wipe off. If you tell him to behave himself it just makes it worse, just splits him from ear to ear and he looks like a monkey standing there grinning.
But it was tremendously gratifying to me to see him so happy. He's really an enthusiast, the Weiner, pure and simple. he could do plenty of other things with his life and makes a lot more money but he goes racing because he loves it. To see that result was so gratifying for him. He was absolutely thrilled, beside himself with joy after the race. I got more pleasure from that than I did from winning the race!"
Without Teddy Mayer and others there would be no MP4-24 or Vodafone McLaren Mercedes. Let us hope that he was both thrilled with previous sucesses and that this year we can bring another championship (or preferably 2) in his memory.
Yes, Ilmor is still a seperate operation, but MBHE is still the incarnation of the 'original' Ilmor. What many casual observers don't comprehend though is the fundamental influence and detrimental effect the death of Paul Morgan had on the operation. It would be as if Duckworth were suddenly without Costin as the DFV were developed.
More pertinently, all of us Macca fans of however many years standing should lament the passing of Teddy Mayer. Mayer was the link between Bruce McLaren and the subsequent Dennis years and without his efforts and commitment the McLaren name may have been a footnote in history and instead I would be a 'Project 4' supporter!
As a fitting epitaph, James Hunt, who had a 'complex' relationship with Mayer and called him "the Weiner", said after his victory at the 'Ring in '76 (and before the severity of Lauda's injuries were evident) that his abiding memory of the day was Teddy Mayers' reaction
"It was the Weiners face.McLarens had never won at the Ringand had always gone home with written-off cars in the truck.So when I stood on the winners rostrum, there was the Weiner in his Goodyear cap, which doesn't fit him anyway - it's far too big for him - with that ridiculous grin on his face that he wears and can't wipe off. If you tell him to behave himself it just makes it worse, just splits him from ear to ear and he looks like a monkey standing there grinning.
But it was tremendously gratifying to me to see him so happy. He's really an enthusiast, the Weiner, pure and simple. he could do plenty of other things with his life and makes a lot more money but he goes racing because he loves it. To see that result was so gratifying for him. He was absolutely thrilled, beside himself with joy after the race. I got more pleasure from that than I did from winning the race!"
Without Teddy Mayer and others there would be no MP4-24 or Vodafone McLaren Mercedes. Let us hope that he was both thrilled with previous sucesses and that this year we can bring another championship (or preferably 2) in his memory.
Amen.
On the MPHE subject couldn't they rename it to bear the company name that way McLaren could be a full manufacturer.
BTW. it is MBHPE
Mercedes Benz High Performance Engines
Mercedes Benz High Performance Engines
A Daimler spokesperson denies that the board of directors has been voting over the presence in the sport: ''The corporate management hasn't been voting. Independently thereof, it's right that we continue with our engagement in Formula 1.''
James Allen: Mercedes story a load of ol' cobblers
I rang Mercedes to find out more about this and it turns out that the story is completely bogus. “There was no voting by the Daimler board of management concerning F1,” I was told. “However it is true that we are staying in F1.”
That would be a funny scenne.
Ron, Norbert and the Tag Guy [forgot it] lined up in front of Mercedes Board of Directors.
*Suspense music*
One-by-one they show their thumbs up or down.
Ron, Norbert and the Tag Guy [forgot it] lined up in front of Mercedes Board of Directors.
*Suspense music*
One-by-one they show their thumbs up or down.
Feb 10-13 - Jerez - Group Test Two
10th February - Drivers TBC
11th February - Drivers TBC
12st February - Drivers TBC
13th February - Drivers TBC
Can't wait.
10th February - Drivers TBC
11th February - Drivers TBC
12st February - Drivers TBC
13th February - Drivers TBC
Can't wait.
How's the wetter there now? Yesterday I heard reports about snow in Spain 
Originally posted by Enkei
How's the wetter there now? Yesterday I heard reports about snow in Spain
How's the wetter there now? Yesterday I heard reports about snow in Spain
Currently heavy showers of rain... and it's expected to continue all week. Weather should improve by this weekend.
I've just visited weather.com It seems that next week will be generally dry. I hope it's true. Last testing session was spoiled and it doesn't help in preparing for the season...
Originally posted by Oblivion
I've just visited weather.com It seems that next week will be generally dry. I hope it's true. Last testing session was spoiled and it doesn't help in preparing for the season...
I've just visited weather.com It seems that next week will be generally dry. I hope it's true. Last testing session was spoiled and it doesn't help in preparing for the season...
On the otherhand a few more lost test sessions will make the first few races very interesting.
I'm not about such interest 
I just want something like 88 
And the team need to test very productive to achieve this.
I just want something like 88 And the team need to test very productive to achieve this.
Originally posted by Oblivion
I'm not about such interest I just want something like 88 And the team need to test very productive to achieve this.
I'm not about such interest
I just want something like 88 And the team need to test very productive to achieve this. 1988 might be a bit much to ask... 2008 would do just nicely, as long as the drivers promise to pay a bit more attention!
Originally posted by Snap Matt
1988 might be a bit much to ask... 2008 would do just nicely, as long as the drivers promise to pay a bit more attention!
1988 might be a bit much to ask... 2008 would do just nicely, as long as the drivers promise to pay a bit more attention!
Indeed. For me Lewis has to reduce his errors under pressure, which hopefully he will do if he's a bit more relaxed having now won the WDC. And Heikki needs to up his game, but he knows it and he's got every chance of doing it having had a year's experience. My faith in the team and the car are as strong as ever. But, hey, I'm a Mac fan.
We hear that Kimi is likely to be able to embrace a little more oversteer from the new Ferrari. From what morsels of theory we now know of the technical philosophy behind the MP4-24, is anybody able to speculate as to how the new car will likely suit or alter Lewis Hamiltons driving style.
Originally posted by Owen
Indeed. For me Lewis has to reduce his errors under pressure, which hopefully he will do if he's a bit more relaxed having now won the WDC. And Heikki needs to up his game, but he knows it and he's got every chance of doing it having had a year's experience. My faith in the team and the car are as strong as ever. But, hey, I'm a Mac fan.
Indeed. For me Lewis has to reduce his errors under pressure, which hopefully he will do if he's a bit more relaxed having now won the WDC. And Heikki needs to up his game, but he knows it and he's got every chance of doing it having had a year's experience. My faith in the team and the car are as strong as ever. But, hey, I'm a Mac fan.
I think this is a very good point. They always say that once you have won the 1st you are a bit more comfortable. Lewis always seemed confident but did get a bit over excited if he looked like he might lose (always the thought of needing to win to get that championship)
Hopefully this year Heikki will be able to do more to improve his position within the field and help get Lewis his 2nd WDC!
Originally posted by k1ngy
Hopefully this year Heikki will be able to do more to improve his position within the field and help get Lewis his 2nd WDC!
Hopefully this year Heikki will be able to do more to improve his position within the field and help get Lewis his 2nd WDC!
I was hoping Heikki mai improve his position within the field and actually race Lewis this year!
Originally posted by Schumeister
I was hoping Heikki mai improve his position within the field and actually race Lewis this year!
I was hoping Heikki mai improve his position within the field and actually race Lewis this year!
Heikki said mid-season last year he was wearing his rear tyres faster than Lewis, by taking the classic smooth curve through a corner while Lewis was squaring it off, so the slicks should help Heikki because they will take that lateral force+acceleration better. But making the rears last is going to be a huge problem in 2009 by the sound of it, so any advantage Lewis has in other ways of making his rears last is going to be magnified. And I suspect there are some, in his sensitivity and physical skills, the things that make him so extraordinary in the wet. At any rate Heikki was not able to re-train himself in the second half of 08, enough to make a difference. If anything he seemed to drop further behind as the season went on and the car was rebalanced to be less on the nose.
So I'm not expecting Kovy to be racing Hammy very often, but hopefully he will have a better season against the other teams. I think he needs a good start TBH, or the team will be looking around.
Originally posted by werks prototype
We hear that Kimi is likely to be able to embrace a little more oversteer from the new Ferrari. From what morsels of theory we now know of the technical philosophy behind the MP4-24, is anybody able to speculate as to how the new car will likely suit or alter Lewis Hamiltons driving style.
We hear that Kimi is likely to be able to embrace a little more oversteer from the new Ferrari. From what morsels of theory we now know of the technical philosophy behind the MP4-24, is anybody able to speculate as to how the new car will likely suit or alter Lewis Hamiltons driving style.
Well Lewis has always liked a lively back end, and from watching testing footage that seems to be what cars are doing in the new era of aero so it should be business as usual for him? Heikki will do better this year as he has had input into the package unlike last year where the car was basically built around hamilton and alonso's driving style and heikki's input went into the renault.
cool hi res pics of the 24 available. 
Im almost certain that heikkis head has been photoshopped into that wallpaper and so has the number 2 on the rear wing as he hasn't tuned any laps i nthe car yet, let alone dry laps. Nice pictures though.
Has anyone noticed? Mclaren have been pretty very quiet about their car ....
Originally posted by kids like ash
Im almost certain that heikkis head has been photoshopped into that wallpaper and so has the number 2 on the rear wing as he hasn't tuned any laps i nthe car yet, let alone dry laps.
Im almost certain that heikkis head has been photoshopped into that wallpaper and so has the number 2 on the rear wing as he hasn't tuned any laps i nthe car yet, let alone dry laps.
Well that would be an awesome photoshop then. Because there's a #2 on the nose too, as well as his name and the Finnish flag on the headrest.
Otherwise you're right, I too wonder where they could have taken a picture like that.
Originally posted by femi
Has anyone noticed? Mclaren have been pretty very quiet about their car ....
Has anyone noticed? Mclaren have been pretty very quiet about their car ....
So have everyone else though (with some exceptions). That's testing restrictions for you, everyone is busy in their bunkers.
Originally posted by bogi
http://www.mclaren.com/interactive/wallpap...aren-3-1680.jpg
2009 spec frontwing blows.
http://www.mclaren.com/interactive/wallpap...aren-3-1680.jpg
2009 spec frontwing blows.
That pic really illustrates how raised the front of the car is. Shame about the teams testing at different locations, can't wait till they all meet at barca.
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/f1diary.htm
Ferrari committed a lot to testing because they had a special budget from Bridgestone, rumoured to be around £20 million per season, to carry out tyre development tests. Of course they would test all manner of new things on the car at the same time. It was quite a big advantage to have budget, two test tracks (Fiorano and Mugello) and unlimited test days.
It’s one of the reasons McLaren invested so heavily in simulation technology in the early 2000s, because they did not have the same luxury with testing as Ferrari. Now that investment is paying off massively as they are miles ahead and it’s Ferrari who are playing catch up in that area.
Ferrari committed a lot to testing because they had a special budget from Bridgestone, rumoured to be around £20 million per season, to carry out tyre development tests. Of course they would test all manner of new things on the car at the same time. It was quite a big advantage to have budget, two test tracks (Fiorano and Mugello) and unlimited test days.
It’s one of the reasons McLaren invested so heavily in simulation technology in the early 2000s, because they did not have the same luxury with testing as Ferrari. Now that investment is paying off massively as they are miles ahead and it’s Ferrari who are playing catch up in that area.
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
Originally posted by Owen
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
Good job he's heard something as we've heard nothing.
I'm still not fully confident that mclaren are ahead and still scared they've got it wrong and are below 2 or 3 other teams.
Originally posted by Anomnader
Good job he's heard something as we've heard nothing.
I'm still not fully confident that mclaren are ahead and still scared they've got it wrong and are below 2 or 3 other teams.
Good job he's heard something as we've heard nothing.
I'm still not fully confident that mclaren are ahead and still scared they've got it wrong and are below 2 or 3 other teams.
Have faith. If McLaren is not at the top, they will work hard to get there, last year proved that.
Originally posted by Anomnader
Good job he's heard something as we've heard nothing.
I'm still not fully confident that mclaren are ahead and still scared they've got it wrong and are below 2 or 3 other teams.
Good job he's heard something as we've heard nothing.
I'm still not fully confident that mclaren are ahead and still scared they've got it wrong and are below 2 or 3 other teams.
On bad days I think "suppose it's crap" and on even worse days I think "suppose it's 1988 without Prost"
Hopefully somewhere in the middle. For me the facilities, resources and expertise say they will be at the top with Ferrari, hopefully with at least one other team who have had a bit of inspiration with the new design.
Originally posted by undersquare
On bad days I think "suppose it's crap" and on even worse days I think "suppose it's 1988 without Prost"
Hopefully somewhere in the middle. For me the facilities, resources and expertise say they will be at the top with Ferrari, hopefully with at least one other team who have had a bit of inspiration with the new design.
On bad days I think "suppose it's crap" and on even worse days I think "suppose it's 1988 without Prost"
Hopefully somewhere in the middle. For me the facilities, resources and expertise say they will be at the top with Ferrari, hopefully with at least one other team who have had a bit of inspiration with the new design.
The 'clean sheet of paper' that was called for (with the new regs) means there is a distinct opportunity for a shake up of the order. Time will tell.
Originally posted by Owen
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
Mosley rooting for the 'coloured chap'? Don't trust that one little bit.
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
Originally posted by Owen
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
What he meant to say was "Here is 100 kilos..."
Originally posted by Buttoneer
Mosley rooting for the 'coloured chap'? Don't trust that one little bit.
Mosley rooting for the 'coloured chap'? Don't trust that one little bit.
Daddy must be spinning in his urn.
Teddy Mayer's obituary, in today's Guardian:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/feb/0...ary-teddy-mayer
The McLaren section:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/feb/0...ary-teddy-mayer
The McLaren section:
Teddy Mayer, who has died aged 73, was one of the architects of the early success of the McLaren formula one team. He had a vital management role in its first two world championship titles, with Emerson Fittipaldi in 1974 and James Hunt two years later.
Mayer ran the team for 10 years after the death of the New Zealand-born racing car driver and designer Bruce McLaren in a testing accident at Goodwood in June 1970. Then came the point where the organisation's fading fortunes caused its main sponsor, Philip Morris, to insist that Mayer amalgamate the team with Ron Dennis's emergent Project 4 operation as a condition of retaining the lucrative backing. He finally left McLaren in 1982 after selling his shareholding to Dennis and the team's then technical director John Barnard.
[...]
When Mayer joined McLaren in 1964 the financial structure of international motor racing was very different. "We paid our top two mechanics, Tyler Alexander and Wally Willmott, £30 a week and we reckoned that was a tremendous amount of money," he recalled. "You've got to remember that there were none of the outside commercial sponsors as we know them today. Virtually all the sponsorship came from oil and tyre companies and most of the negotiations were carried out via the old pals' act. It was as if you waved a magic wand and the finance appeared."
McClaren and Mayer worked well together. The New Zealander's laid-back charm and sunny disposition, his outward tolerance and reservoir of goodwill were a foil to Mayer's somewhat abrupt business style. They were an unlikely team, but a successful one.
After McLaren's death, Mayer steadily built the team into a formula one force, reaching its zenith in the mid-1970s when he first tempted Fittipaldi away from Lotus, for whom he had won his first world championship in 1972, and gave the Brazilian driver the equipment to win his second title two years later.
When Fittipaldi moved again, to join his elder brother Wilson's fledgling Copersucar team in 1975, Mayer pulled a masterstroke by signing Hunt, who went on to take the 1976 championship by a single point from Niki Lauda. The photograph of the furious and distracted Englishman erupting from the cockpit of his McLaren M23 at the Mount Fuji circuit - with Mayer in front of him, holding three fingers aloft to signify he had achieved the third place necessary to win the championship - is a famous formula one image of that decade.
Mayer ran the team for 10 years after the death of the New Zealand-born racing car driver and designer Bruce McLaren in a testing accident at Goodwood in June 1970. Then came the point where the organisation's fading fortunes caused its main sponsor, Philip Morris, to insist that Mayer amalgamate the team with Ron Dennis's emergent Project 4 operation as a condition of retaining the lucrative backing. He finally left McLaren in 1982 after selling his shareholding to Dennis and the team's then technical director John Barnard.
[...]
When Mayer joined McLaren in 1964 the financial structure of international motor racing was very different. "We paid our top two mechanics, Tyler Alexander and Wally Willmott, £30 a week and we reckoned that was a tremendous amount of money," he recalled. "You've got to remember that there were none of the outside commercial sponsors as we know them today. Virtually all the sponsorship came from oil and tyre companies and most of the negotiations were carried out via the old pals' act. It was as if you waved a magic wand and the finance appeared."
McClaren and Mayer worked well together. The New Zealander's laid-back charm and sunny disposition, his outward tolerance and reservoir of goodwill were a foil to Mayer's somewhat abrupt business style. They were an unlikely team, but a successful one.
After McLaren's death, Mayer steadily built the team into a formula one force, reaching its zenith in the mid-1970s when he first tempted Fittipaldi away from Lotus, for whom he had won his first world championship in 1972, and gave the Brazilian driver the equipment to win his second title two years later.
When Fittipaldi moved again, to join his elder brother Wilson's fledgling Copersucar team in 1975, Mayer pulled a masterstroke by signing Hunt, who went on to take the 1976 championship by a single point from Niki Lauda. The photograph of the furious and distracted Englishman erupting from the cockpit of his McLaren M23 at the Mount Fuji circuit - with Mayer in front of him, holding three fingers aloft to signify he had achieved the third place necessary to win the championship - is a famous formula one image of that decade.
Originally posted by Slartibartfast
What he meant to say was "Here is 100 kilos..."
What he meant to say was "Here is 100 kilos..."
Originally posted by Owen
Have faith. If McLaren is not at the top, they will work hard to get there, last year proved that.
Have faith. If McLaren is not at the top, they will work hard to get there, last year proved that.
Hear hear, after all in some of the earlier races in 2008 they were performance wise behind both Ferrari and BMW.
I don't know, Mclaren won Melbourne convincingly, and while they were slower than Ferrari in most of the other opening races they were always at least level with BMW.
Originally posted by Owen
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
Mosley tips McLaren for success:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said.
"I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that."
I don't know why didn't you post all what Mosley had to say, if you wanted to manipulate his opinion or not but here's exactly what he said:
"If someone said 'Here is 100 pounds, you have got to put it on a driver', I would probably put it on Lewis," Mosley said. "I think McLaren have done a very good job over the winter, everything I hear indicates that.
"Ferrari are still really getting their act together after a big management change whereas I don't think the management change at McLaren is so big, it is more continuity."
"But I may be completely wrong and it could be someone unexpected like Kubica, for example. I just don't know, or Alonso. "But if you had to bet at the moment you would bet on Lewis."
"Ferrari are still really getting their act together after a big management change whereas I don't think the management change at McLaren is so big, it is more continuity."
"But I may be completely wrong and it could be someone unexpected like Kubica, for example. I just don't know, or Alonso. "But if you had to bet at the moment you would bet on Lewis."
He simply knows nothing more than typical F1 fan. Everything indicates that apart from McLaren also Wiliams, Toyota, BMW and Ferrari got their act together so I guess we will have to wait to tests with all 9 or 10 teams to really have the smallest indication.
Originally posted by Will
Hear hear, after all in some of the earlier races in 2008 they were performance wise behind both Ferrari and BMW.
Hear hear, after all in some of the earlier races in 2008 they were performance wise behind both Ferrari and BMW.
McLaren had always 2nd best or the best car on the grid apart from 1-2 races in the beginning when they were on par with BMW but only because Hamilton & Kovalainen were using wrong setups. McLaren didn't gain performance in the beginning of 2008 season because of introducing new parts. They simply started to use different setups which were 0.5s faster as drivers stated.
Originally posted by Wouter
I don't know, Mclaren won Melbourne convincingly, and while they were slower than Ferrari in most of the other opening races they were always at least level with BMW.
I don't know, Mclaren won Melbourne convincingly, and while they were slower than Ferrari in most of the other opening races they were always at least level with BMW.
Ron Dennis himself actually stated with the launch of the MP4-24, that with the decisions being made due to the drastic nature of the rule changes that if those initial decisions were incorrect, no level of development would get them to the front.
So McLaren themselves dont believe if their base car is flawed they'll get it sorted out without having to design a new car.
I would be hard pressed to imagine that McLaren with all that resource they have got can screw up a car design with new regulations. If anything teams like BMW,Ferrari and McLaren with all those latest technology tools and brilliant personnel must be the best at adapting quickly.
It looks like the car is good. It has been near the top of the times so far. I think its gonna be a good season for McLaren.
It looks like the car is good. It has been near the top of the times so far. I think its gonna be a good season for McLaren.
After looking at the rear end shot of the RB5, anyone else think McLaren have the wrong concept of the car?
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
We'll know more soon if it's dry in Jerez in coming days.
Originally posted by ZooL
After looking at the rear end shot of the RB5, anyone else think McLaren have the wrong concept of the car?
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
After looking at the rear end shot of the RB5, anyone else think McLaren have the wrong concept of the car?
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
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Originally posted by ZooL
After looking at the rear end shot of the RB5, anyone else think McLaren have the wrong concept of the car?
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
After looking at the rear end shot of the RB5, anyone else think McLaren have the wrong concept of the car?
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
RBR have gone pretty radical and started their design with almost a clean sheet of paper. The McLaren design is informed by what they already know. I trust McLaren to have done their homework though, these are some very smart people!! It's been said before but the McLaren launch car does not reflect the car that will line up in Australia.
Testing times (this week) may give you some indication of how things are. But the first true picture won't emerge until after Q1 at Melbourne and as far as the championship goes, probably 4 races down the line. :\
Originally posted by ZooL
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
I've looked at the picture long and hard, but for the life of me I cannot see any air flowing over it. Can you indicate where on the picture you can see this air flow?
Originally posted by ZooL
After looking at the rear end shot of the RB5, anyone else think McLaren have the wrong concept of the car?
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
After looking at the rear end shot of the RB5, anyone else think McLaren have the wrong concept of the car?
Just look at how good the airflow is on the RB5 lower beam wing. That alone must claw back lots of downforce lost from the thin rear wing.
McLaren seem to have chosen to concentrate slightly more on air flow to the higher rear wing than compared to Newey's and others approaches who have been concentrating on flow to diffuser area, with downwards sloping rear sidepods as much as possible.
Side flow seems excellent on MP4 (jsut as good as RB5/the best), but not sure about in height terms...
First of all...Newey is not a God! His cars in Mclaren era were not so good anyway so.....(reliability issues) They were good, but not that good. I think Tim Goss/Patrick Fry combination is much much better. For me, Newey is a bit overated IMO
anyway, I am not worried, Mclaren will be far ahead of RBR I´m 99,9% sure.
regards.
Originally posted by Clatter
I've looked at the picture long and hard, but for the life of me I cannot see any air flowing over it. Can you indicate where on the picture you can see this air flow?
I've looked at the picture long and hard, but for the life of me I cannot see any air flowing over it. Can you indicate where on the picture you can see this air flow?
Funny
but I didn't explain properly I agree.
I was refering to this shot, where beam seems more exposed.
Originally posted by ZooL
Funny but I didn't explain properly I agree.
I was refering to this shot, where beam seems more exposed.
Funny
but I didn't explain properly I agree.
I was refering to this shot, where beam seems more exposed.
But you still have no clue whatsoever from that photo how good the air flow is. You simply cannot look at a picture and say how good or bad it may be, and it's ridiculous to speculate that another team has taken the path based on it.
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