Neophiliac
Mar 10 2009, 18:03
Originally posted by AFCA
This is starting to be ridiculous, how many rearwing's have they been testing ?
I believe you're not actually allowed to have bodywork there...
My counting may be off, but I think it's up to 5 versions now. Ridiculous is the word for it.
f1rules
Mar 10 2009, 18:05
Originally posted by AFCA
This is starting to be ridiculous, how many rearwing's have they been testing ?
I believe you're not actually allowed to have bodywork there...
please get into the facts before posting like this. its not a new rearwing!!!! for god sake. Mclaren already last year tested with an exspanded rearwing, now they just expanded part of it, im quessing there are messauring equipment in the part
f1rules
Mar 10 2009, 18:07
no Ridiculous, is when people call them new rearwings all the time, they have tested two frontwings and three rearwings. The one from the launch, a new and refined one which they have used theese two days, and a lower downforce wing which they tested last week
dentistTubster
Mar 10 2009, 18:08
Doesn't that raised section in the middle break the rules?
airwise
Mar 10 2009, 18:10
Originally posted by AFCA
This is starting to be ridiculous, how many rearwing's have they been testing ?
.
What's ridiculous about testing everything you might want during the only testing period of the season?
The fact that they are not flying new parts out daily suggests this is simply part of the process. A ridiculous process? We'll see won't we?
Slyder
Mar 10 2009, 18:10
Originally posted by jonpollak
I like the remote control feature seen HERE at 2:29 into the clip
Jp
rileyl
Mar 10 2009, 18:11
Originally posted by bogi
Barcelona first day;
1.22.948
second day
1.22.991
One second improvement, I don't think you can gain one second with the same package... They probably didn't unleash whole potential of the MP4-24 (I hope 
)
we need to find at least another 1 second! No matter, I wish Lewis will give 96, 05 MS performance!
f1rules
Mar 10 2009, 18:12
Originally posted by dentistTubster
Doesn't that raised section in the middle break the rules?
yes it does
Tssss, some are touchy here.
New rearwings/configurations of the rearwing, you get the point (well apperantly some don't).
It just strikes me that apart from testing the, for this year, illegal 2008 wing, they're also testing 2009 rearwing solutions that are illegal...
dentistTubster
Mar 10 2009, 18:14
Originally posted by bogi
Barcelona first day;
1.22.948
second day
1.22.991
One second improvement, I don't think you can gain one second with the same package... They probably didn't unleash whole potential of the MP4-24 (I hope ) I'm sorry, I really don't get how that is a second difference. Which one is a misprint?
Anonymous
Mar 10 2009, 18:16
A continuation of yesterday’s programme, running the new front wing, floor and top body. The team focused on pitstop practice in the early morning while the track was still damp before continuing the set-up work conducted on Monday. Lewis joins the test tomorrow and will run a similar programme to today. “We are running through a big programme in Barcelona this week,” said McLaren Racing managing director Jonathan Neale. “Not only have we introduced a new series of aerodynamic components to MP4-24 but we have also been working on the car’s set-up and balance over longer runs as well as rehearsing our pitstop procedures. It’s been a very productive few days with Heikki in the car and we are hoping for an equally satisfactory conclusion to the week when Lewis takes to the track tomorrow.”
http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/barcelona-mar09-10.php
muramasa
Mar 10 2009, 18:17
Originally posted by Neophiliac
Very curious design, that. Seems like they are trying to lift up the middle section of the wing to solve the stall issue - presumably, the higher it is, the cleaner the airflow that reaches it. Not an expert on this, but doesn't it introduce two new problems: (i) air flow separation when in yaw and (ii) more drag?
Mclaren look to be after the kitchen sink approach - try everything till they finally find a solution for the rear that works. Pretty soon, we might see an actual kitchen sink (maybe sown off in half) in place of the rear wing.
actually they removed the both sides of flap, rahter than added to the middle. check pics from previous days (above). so i assume they were testing simply less downforce profile with that today. remember Macca's rear wing is already very big compared to other cars. actually it's not ideal to run such a deeply scooped wing. the steeper the more drag and turbulence (hence stall).
Madras
Mar 10 2009, 18:19
Clearly they have problems if they are fiddling about with all these different wings. I'll leave them to it.
Just looking on this last set of pics, it's totally revised car.
Day two;
A continuation of yesterday’s programme, running the new front wing, floor and top body. The team focused on pitstop practice in the early morning while the track was still damp before continuing the set-up work conducted on Monday. Lewis joins the test tomorrow and will run a similar programme to today. “We are running through a big programme in Barcelona this week,” said McLaren Racing managing director Jonathan Neale. “Not only have we introduced a new series of aerodynamic components to MP4-24 but we have also been working on the car’s set-up and balance over longer runs as well as rehearsing our pitstop procedures. It’s been a very productive few days with Heikki in the car and we are hoping for an equally satisfactory conclusion to the week when Lewis takes to the track tomorrow.”
www.mclaren.com
rodlamas
Mar 10 2009, 18:43
Originally posted by dentistTubster
I'm sorry, I really don't get how that is a second difference. Which one is a misprint?
Yep, today's time was a 1:21.991.
Here's the hope one more seconds is gonna be found daily and lewis will finish the session on Thursday with a blistering 1:19.9
gincarnated
Mar 10 2009, 18:44
Originally posted by bogi
Just looking on this last set of pics, it's totally revised car.
Well they did say it would be unrecognizable in Melbourne when they launched.
EvilPhil II
Mar 10 2009, 19:08
Can someone be kind enough to explain to us how the flow vis (?) actually works? Where is it released from and at what stage? When the car is stationary or in motion or from a car in front?
i am puzzled lol
Its painted on in the pits at a point, eg the flow conditioner on the side pod then then the car goes out for a lap.
raiseyourfistfor
Mar 10 2009, 19:47
Originally posted by rileyl
we need to find at least another 1 second! No matter, I wish Lewis will give 96, 05 MS performance!
Id rather see a 02, 04 MS performance personally!
ForeverF1
Mar 10 2009, 20:00
Madras
Mar 10 2009, 20:02
Originally posted by ForeverF1
This is amazing. (if it is true)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY
It's a Vodafone ad.
Slowinfastout
Mar 10 2009, 20:05
Originally posted by ForeverF1
This is amazing. (if it is true)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY
It's not 'true'... but it's amazing
Originally posted by ForeverF1
This is amazing. (if it is true)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiLoANg6nNY
hunnylander
Mar 10 2009, 20:12
Originally posted by Madras
It's a Vodafone ad.
But a very cool one.
From James Allen's blog
http://allenonf1.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/...ona-test-day-2/
The Ferrari, BMW and Toyota drivers, in contrast to McLaren, are able to get straight on the power into the apex of the corner, the car bites and goes. They look fast and smooth.
The times from day 2 are affected by the fact that some teams were doing qualifying simulations while others are not. So the gaps appear larger than they are.
Perhaps the most interesting little nugget I picked up in my two days at the test was the start practice the drivers did at lunchtime and again at the end of the day. On one occasion, Kovalainen lined up just in front of Raikkonen and when the McLaren launched, the Ferrari went too. Within 300 meters the Ferrari was in front. It was that noticeable. Now Kovalainen could have been playing games, knowing the Ferrari was behind him and watching, but it didn’t sound that way. That pesky rear grip problem again. Unless McLaren come up with a quick fix, Lewis Hamilton is going to have a tough start to his title defence.
Mclaren4ever
Mar 10 2009, 20:40
As I doubt they have an extra fuel cell in the car with +50 kg fuel, it looks not good. :\
hunnylander
Mar 10 2009, 20:45
Martin Whitmarsh: ''The important thing is how you employ your resources and which results you read out of it. In our case the deviation to reality is 0.3 %.''
Timstr11
Mar 10 2009, 20:45
Allen is not telling the truth. The Ferrari just started earlier than the McLaren, hence the advantage. See
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmh3EAAlBc at 5.08.
Anomnader
Mar 10 2009, 20:49
Originally posted by hunnylander
Martin Whitmarsh: ''The important thing is how you employ your resources and which results you read out of it. In our case the deviation to reality is 0.3 %.''
Ok, can anyone work out the proper performance when taking into account 0.3% deviation from reality?
Beem me up scotty.....
wj_gibson
Mar 10 2009, 20:52
The cars practised those starts on at least 2 occasions according to Allen, so the YouTube evidence (covering only one of the Kovy-Raik starts) is not conclusive.
More interesting by far is Allen's observation that the McLaren drivers can't get the power down early enough on the exits.
airwise
Mar 10 2009, 20:52
Is Allen really that thick that he can't work out which three teams are nearing the end of their off season testing and recognise the correlation between that and pace. Has he not been listening to Haug and others during the off season?
He seems to ignore the possible fact that Mclaren have yet to run their 09 rear end here at Barcelona.
Gilles4Ever
Mar 10 2009, 20:53
Originally posted by Timstr11
Allen is not telling the truth. The Ferrari just started earlier than the McLaren, hence the advantage. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmh3EAAlBc at 5.08.
take a look at 6:08 on that same video
Madras
Mar 10 2009, 20:55
Originally posted by Timstr11
Allen is not telling the truth. The Ferrari just started earlier than the McLaren, hence the advantage. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmh3EAAlBc at 5.08.
Allen gets it wrong again
He's nuts trying to take anything from one start anyway.
Anomnader
Mar 10 2009, 20:57
Originally posted by Timstr11
Allen is not telling the truth. The Ferrari just started earlier than the McLaren, hence the advantage. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmh3EAAlBc at 5.08.
LOL - just watched it, wonderful exaggeration by Allen there, kimi sets off earlier and is almost alongside before Heikki starts moving
shonguiz
Mar 10 2009, 20:58
Originally posted by hunnylander
Martin Whitmarsh: ''The important thing is how you employ your resources and which results you read out of it. In our case the deviation to reality is 0.3 %.''
He's recongnising that they aren't getting what they hoped for right ?
airwise
Mar 10 2009, 20:58
Originally posted by Gilles4Ever
take a look at 6:08 on that same video
Again the Ferrari launches first.
Schumeister
Mar 10 2009, 21:04
If it turns out that the Mclaren is the fastest car out there then they have certainly fooled a lot of people with there pre season testing programme.....
hunnylander
Mar 10 2009, 21:08
Originally posted by Anomnader
Ok, can anyone work out the proper performance when taking into account 0.3% deviation from reality?
Beem me up scotty.....
That sentence of Martin relates to development mostly. To put it simple, the chance for McLaren to design a flawed car in 2009, is 0.3 %. That doesn't mean they will be the fastest, it only means that there's a big chance to complete well their development plans.
rodlamas
Mar 10 2009, 21:12
Originally posted by Schumeister
If it turns out that the Mclaren is the fastest car out there then they have certainly fooled a lot of people with there pre season testing programme.....
It would be a masterstroke for sure.
But it does not look like one. (Yet).
Let's hope what the last 6 days of testing bring us.
Originally posted by Timstr11
Allen is not telling the truth. The Ferrari just started earlier than the McLaren, hence the advantage. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmh3EAAlBc at 5.08.
And look at 6:04 when they start at pretty much the same time, we don't see how it finishes but the amount of ground the Ferrari took up on the McLaren makes it pretty clear how it would have ended.
hunnylander
Mar 10 2009, 21:14
Originally posted by shonguiz
He's recongnising that they aren't getting what they hoped for right ?
It's not a recent statement from Whitmarsh, it's not related to their current testing episodes. It's from the McLaren simulator article(s), published by AMuS in February and posted here by AFCA.
Anomnader
Mar 10 2009, 21:15
I think we are still getting more questions then answers from McLaren.
If they are having problems and are slow, why not run there proper diffuser?
If they are sandbagging, why do it so much?
Is the poor performance a result of not run such things as a proper diffuser?
When are they going to run the diffuser?
Have they anymore parts
Is the numerous wings due to problems or testing for future races?
If future races, are the other teams also doing it and if not!!!!!!!
F1Fanatic.co.uk
Mar 10 2009, 21:16
Originally posted by Timstr11
Allen is not telling the truth. The Ferrari just started earlier than the McLaren, hence the advantage. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jmh3EAAlBc at 5.08.
That video's from the Monday test, Allen is referring to Tuesday.
Anomnader
Mar 10 2009, 21:16
Originally posted by kar
And look at 6:04 when they start at pretty much the same time, we don't see how it finishes but the amount of ground the Ferrari took up on the McLaren makes it pretty clear how it would have ended.
Impossible to tell from that video as there is a depth of perception distoration.
craftverk
Mar 10 2009, 21:18
The Ferrari, BMW and Toyota drivers, in contrast to McLaren, are able to get straight on the power into the apex of the corner, the car bites and goes. They look fast and smooth.
I'm going to give Allen some credit and say that I didn't know that. It's little nuggets like like above that keep me checking his blog now and then.
Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
That video's from the Monday test, Allen is referring to Tuesday.
Everyone who unprovokedly attacked Allen now have egg on their faces
Clatter
Mar 10 2009, 21:20
Originally posted by airwise
Is Allen really that thick that he can't work out which three teams are nearing the end of their off season testing and recognise the correlation between that and pace. Has he not been listening to Haug and others during the off season?
He seems to ignore the possible fact that Mclaren have yet to run their 09 rear end here at Barcelona.
I doubt he is ignoring anything, but is calling it as he see's it. It really does seem that many here ignoring the fact that there just could be a fundamental problem and that the hoped for magic fix may not appear.
hunnylander
Mar 10 2009, 21:21
Originally posted by F1Fanatic.co.uk
That video's from the Monday test, Allen is referring to Tuesday.
He's not referring to any defined day:
Perhaps the most interesting little nugget I picked up in my two days at the test
Anomnader
Mar 10 2009, 21:23
Originally posted by Clatter
I doubt he is ignoring anything, but is calling it as he see's it. It really does seem that many here ignoring the fact that there just could be a fundamental problem and that the hoped for magic fix may not appear.
If there is a fundamental problem don't you think they would be now running with a proper diffuser rather then holding off on it?
I'd don't know either way really, but it seem daft to not be now seeing how it affected a supposed dud car
F1Fanatic.co.uk
Mar 10 2009, 21:26
Originally posted by hunnylander
He's not referring to any defined day: Perhaps the most interesting little nugget I picked up in my two days at the test
Ah so he does - fair enough.
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