Originally posted by bankoq
No, I asked you first to provide me link with Massa's quote, and you didn't.
No, I asked you first to provide me link with Massa's quote, and you didn't.
Where is your link?
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Where is your link?
Originally posted by Darth Sidious
Call this clutching at straws, or pulling an idea out of a silver lined cloud, but might the problem be KERS?
I'm reading reports of poor traction, inconsistent stint times, high tyre wear, engine stresses, instability under braking, engine sounds awful.... might all this be solved by actually pulling KERS off and moving the weight forward as ballast? Surely they must have a contingency plan in the event that KERS turned out to be a 'curse' ( excuse the lame pun) rather than a weapon.
Maybe the plan is to use pre-season testing not just to ensure their off-track development facilities can carry them through the season but also to work out the bugs in the KERS device. Maybe it's unfixable and the car with the thing removed will be a second a lap quicker. Or even two seconds if you want to be optimistic.
Every time I watch that Heikki/Kimi start and hear the howl as the Mp4-24 seems to miss a gear and just stop accelerating as the F60 shoots past I wonder if the KERS button is their secret sandbagging device....
Call this clutching at straws, or pulling an idea out of a silver lined cloud, but might the problem be KERS?
I'm reading reports of poor traction, inconsistent stint times, high tyre wear, engine stresses, instability under braking, engine sounds awful.... might all this be solved by actually pulling KERS off and moving the weight forward as ballast? Surely they must have a contingency plan in the event that KERS turned out to be a 'curse' ( excuse the lame pun) rather than a weapon.
Maybe the plan is to use pre-season testing not just to ensure their off-track development facilities can carry them through the season but also to work out the bugs in the KERS device. Maybe it's unfixable and the car with the thing removed will be a second a lap quicker. Or even two seconds if you want to be optimistic.
Every time I watch that Heikki/Kimi start and hear the howl as the Mp4-24 seems to miss a gear and just stop accelerating as the F60 shoots past I wonder if the KERS button is their secret sandbagging device....
When you look at the testing distance covered by Mclaren this week 327 Kilometers and the distance covered by Brawn Gp 433 Kilometers. You have to start worrying a bit. Brawn Gp quick out of the box and reliable covering a huge distance and a second quicker than anyone, leaving even Ferrari scratching their heads. Mclaren slow out of the box covering 106 kilometers less and still apparently struggling for pace. I know they have 4 more days next week but 106 kilometers accounts for a day and a half of them at that rate!
Originally posted by Anomnader
Don't see why thats worrying its not like they havn't being doing all week long, they could again be calibrating a different part.
Don't see why thats worrying its not like they havn't being doing all week long, they could again be calibrating a different part.
That's what I was thinking when coming back home... first they painted the front wing, then the front of the sidepods and this afternoon, the back of the sidepods.
But the worrying thing for me is that they did with the original floor, not the one debuted two or three days ago.
Originally posted by bankoq
No, I asked you first to provide me link with Massa's quote, and you didn't. I wrote probably, you wrote "Massa says...". Be careful with your words other time.
No, I asked you first to provide me link with Massa's quote, and you didn't. I wrote probably, you wrote "Massa says...". Be careful with your words other time.
If you want even further proof, check this post from AFCA - http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php...634#post3509634
Originally posted by Insane111
Cheers for the info Aren, much appreciated.
As to the flow-viz, I guess that's generally considered as a synonym for Evil around here nowadays. When was that floor debuted? Couple of days back? I'd have thought they'd have done all the simulation validation or whatever already by now...but I guess it could be that still.
Also interesting about the stability thing, do all the rumours of bad stability emanate from a single source or have they all witnessed it?
Cheers for the info Aren, much appreciated.
As to the flow-viz, I guess that's generally considered as a synonym for Evil around here nowadays. When was that floor debuted? Couple of days back? I'd have thought they'd have done all the simulation validation or whatever already by now...but I guess it could be that still.
Also interesting about the stability thing, do all the rumours of bad stability emanate from a single source or have they all witnessed it?
Please, do not take my opinion as very valuable... as I said, I could only see the McLaren for 5 or 6 laps and just in a single place of the track. Maybe somewhere else and with quite a few more laps, the problems of the car would have been much more visible.
Originally posted by bankoq
No, I asked you first to provide me link with Massa's quote, and you didn't. I wrote probably, you wrote "Massa says...". Be careful with your words other time.
No, I asked you first to provide me link with Massa's quote, and you didn't. I wrote probably, you wrote "Massa says...". Be careful with your words other time.
Originally posted by Lazarus II
Where is your link?
Where is your link?
oh god , what is this "kindergarten" ???
you guys stop it!!
The final day of the Jerez test was spent focusing on mechanical set-up – successfully developing MP4-24 and learning positive directions for improvement. The team now travels back to Jerez for the final pre-season test before heading to Melbourne for the Australian Grand Prix.
http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/barcelona-mar09-12.php
http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/barcelona-mar09-12.php
Originally posted by Aren
That's what I was thinking when coming back home... first they painted the front wing, then the front of the sidepods and this afternoon, the back of the sidepods.
But the worrying thing for me is that they did with the original floor, not the one debuted two or three days ago.
That's what I was thinking when coming back home... first they painted the front wing, then the front of the sidepods and this afternoon, the back of the sidepods.
But the worrying thing for me is that they did with the original floor, not the one debuted two or three days ago.
They may still be callibrating HAL back at HQ but sometimes this reliance on computing is a bit of a worry. Like the weather prediction systems they have.. sometimes its best to just look up at the sky!
Originally posted by Aren
Please, do not take my opinion as very valuable... as I said, I could only see the McLaren for 5 or 6 laps and just in a single place of the track. Maybe somewhere else and with quite a few more laps, the problems of the car would have been much more visible.
Please, do not take my opinion as very valuable... as I said, I could only see the McLaren for 5 or 6 laps and just in a single place of the track. Maybe somewhere else and with quite a few more laps, the problems of the car would have been much more visible.
Yup I know, I was just thinking about it in conjunction with the Haug quote about car behaviour.
The final day of the Jerez test was spent focusing on mechanical set-up – successfully developing MP4-24 and learning positive directions for improvement. The team now travels back to Jerez for the final pre-season test before heading to Melbourne for the Australian Grand Prix.
There it is, the real McLaren and Lewis have been at Jerez all along!! Not sure who those guys at Barca are...
There it is, the real McLaren and Lewis have been at Jerez all along!! Not sure who those guys at Barca are...
successfully developing MP4-24 and learning positive directions for improvement
Let the team do their job, I'm not worried, I know they'll do their best.
Originally posted by hunnylander
Let the team do their job, I'm not worried, I know they'll do their best.
Let the team do their job, I'm not worried, I know they'll do their best.
At last someone with some common sense
Roll on:
Mar 15-18 - Jerez - Group Test Five
15th March - Drivers TBC sunday
16th March - Drivers TBC monday
17th March - Drivers TBC tuesday
18th March - Drivers TBC wednesday
Sunday correct? its only this year I've only really noticed them testing a bit on Sundays?
Mar 15-18 - Jerez - Group Test Five
15th March - Drivers TBC sunday
16th March - Drivers TBC monday
17th March - Drivers TBC tuesday
18th March - Drivers TBC wednesday
Sunday correct? its only this year I've only really noticed them testing a bit on Sundays?
Originally posted by sreevishnu
oh god , what is this "kindergarten" ???
you guys stop it!!
oh god , what is this "kindergarten" ???
you guys stop it!!
That's just the life experience coming out, so mature.
Anywho, I am with ACE on this one regardless of the context of times, to many unknowns, in particular how they test for a race on a road course, on a race circuit. I am sure if we were to dig around a little, some light can be shed on the process. Seeing though in season testing is off the cards, teams can no longer look at just a few races, I am tipping McLaren pretty well covered the whole season, so many parts changes.
They may have, no they will have looked at the whole season, they have a massive amount of data to look back at and while not completely relevant, there will have been solutions in previous seasons that worked, engineers have questions that need answering or at least guiding direction for development. Hence vis flow, many different bits etc. This all could've been answering questions many races into the future.
So if you take a plethora of ideas that go someway to a years worth of off track development you may end up with a test program that is all over the place to the observer but very disciplined within the team confines. The McLaren has been quick early on, who knows they sought early confirmation from which to further develop in the factory and moved way further into the season. They would know which bits of the Barcelona track is going to get them their data for a test parameter and Lewis and Kova only concentrated on those parts of the track for instance.
Now I don't think McLaren are alone in this sort of method either but because of their status it appears more obvious. As to Brawn surely a quick car, given it was completing mainly reliability testing the car might just have been setup for this track, which is valuable. Early on you want to see how the car reacts to setup changes in a known environment, difficult to do if your trying to simulate another tracks setup for instance.
The only thing that amazes me about Brawn is how well it ran out of the box after having to graft another engine to it, that's the mightiest feat of their season so far.
Maybe its only caught my attention, but, this winter, most of the time McLaren have used flow-vis in a certain area, a new part was introduced in that same area maybe a few days later? Yes the floor is already introduced, but maybe they're introducing new suspension geometry, or maybe even this magic diffuser that i have a feeling isnt coming, when they did the flow vis on the wing a new front wing came, they did the pods and the pod wing came, now they've doen that back after introducing a new floor, its gotta mean something if other occasions are anything to go by, i think something new will appear at the rear in jerez.
Originally posted by hunnylander
Let the team do their job, I'm not worried, I know they'll do their best.
Let the team do their job, I'm not worried, I know they'll do their best.
Of course, but you can`t deny there`s a bit of this ...
Originally posted by PassWind
The McLaren has been quick early on,
The McLaren has been quick early on,
Which test was this? Portimao? Jerez?
I was suspicous early on because the only time they were quick was with 2008 wing. The times in Barcelona have been the same relative to the field, that they were in both Jerez tests. The only difference was in Jerez they would test throughout the day and were slow, then put the 2008 wing on in the last hour and climb up the sheets. Or run the 2008 wing the whole day (their best day they did this and were very similar to Alonso's times, it was the final day of Jerez test and was the only time McLaren has posted fast stints). But when they would put 2009 wing on, they would be 2 seconds back again. In Barcelona they didn't bring 2008 wing, that's the only difference.
I'm sure they are hiding some pace, but they haven't been quick in full 2009 config all winter. I've been waiting and waiting and waiting. I was ready to see some quick times in Barcelona because as soon as it did, I would shut up because they would have finally proven to be quick in 2009 config, and prove they have at least a decent car. There hasn't been any stints anywhere near Ferrari or BMW all winter with 2009 wing.
I'm sure they have some hidden pace, and how much they have, nobody knows. You can't write them off, they are a top team. We will have to wait and see.
Originally posted by kids like ash
Maybe its only caught my attention, but, this winter, most of the time McLaren have used flow-vis in a certain area, a new part was introduced in that same area maybe a few days later?
Maybe its only caught my attention, but, this winter, most of the time McLaren have used flow-vis in a certain area, a new part was introduced in that same area maybe a few days later?
Well the biggest issue here is that it takes more than just a few days to construct new parts let alone have them go through design etc.
Originally posted by kids like ash
or maybe even this magic diffuser that i have a feeling isnt coming, when they did the flow vis on the wing a new front wing came, ..., now they've doen that back after introducing a new floor, ..., i think something new will appear at the rear in jerez.
or maybe even this magic diffuser that i have a feeling isnt coming, when they did the flow vis on the wing a new front wing came, ..., now they've doen that back after introducing a new floor, ..., i think something new will appear at the rear in jerez.
This sounds very likely.
Originally posted by The Big Guns
Well the biggest issue here is that it takes more than just a few days to construct new parts let alone have them go through design etc.
Well the biggest issue here is that it takes more than just a few days to construct new parts let alone have them go through design etc.
I think what he meant was, that the flow viz is being used on the part of the car where a newly built part will feature, for comparison. In other words, its use is planned and not the aerodynamic equivalent of the Devil. Can't say I have any idea either way myself.
Two versions of diffuser from today:
Both still have the supposed Blanking plate on.
I think we must now presume that it isn't a blanking plate and is actually part of the real diffuser, so.. is it normal to have that part shielded off as they do and compared to most teams on the grid its pretty plane diffuser.
I think we must now presume that it isn't a blanking plate and is actually part of the real diffuser, so.. is it normal to have that part shielded off as they do and compared to most teams on the grid its pretty plane diffuser.
Originally posted by kids like ash
Maybe its only caught my attention, but, this winter, most of the time McLaren have used flow-vis in a certain area, a new part was introduced in that same area maybe a few days later? Yes the floor is already introduced, but maybe they're introducing new suspension geometry, or maybe even this magic diffuser that i have a feeling isnt coming, when they did the flow vis on the wing a new front wing came, they did the pods and the pod wing came, now they've doen that back after introducing a new floor, its gotta mean something if other occasions are anything to go by, i think something new will appear at the rear in jerez.
Maybe its only caught my attention, but, this winter, most of the time McLaren have used flow-vis in a certain area, a new part was introduced in that same area maybe a few days later? Yes the floor is already introduced, but maybe they're introducing new suspension geometry, or maybe even this magic diffuser that i have a feeling isnt coming, when they did the flow vis on the wing a new front wing came, they did the pods and the pod wing came, now they've doen that back after introducing a new floor, its gotta mean something if other occasions are anything to go by, i think something new will appear at the rear in jerez.
Its actually been the opposite for the most part. The flow-vis was used after they put the new front wing on, after they put the pod wing on, and after they put the new floor on.
Most likely to try and confirm that its doing what they expected it to.
Hi-res image:
http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos-hires...7/diapo_184.jpg
It's obvious they're working on the diffuser part, so that might be a/the key to find the good/real pace finally.
But if it won't be banned the BGP/Toyota/Williams diffuser should be adapted. Those 3 were topping the timesheets today. That tells something.
http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos-hires...7/diapo_184.jpg
It's obvious they're working on the diffuser part, so that might be a/the key to find the good/real pace finally.
But if it won't be banned the BGP/Toyota/Williams diffuser should be adapted. Those 3 were topping the timesheets today. That tells something.
There's only a 2 tenth of a second gap between the Ferrari & McLaren today. I genuinely thought that would have reassured many people, but no.
They'll be in the points at least, if not on the podium come Australia.
They'll be in the points at least, if not on the podium come Australia.
That hi-res pic shows that the diffuser modifications seem to be done on location. The middle piece seems to have just been put there and the top of the diffuser seems to have been closed as a temporary solution with something that looks like duct tape.
Originally posted by daishi255
There's only a 2 tenth of a second gap between the Ferrari & McLaren today. I genuinely thought that would have reassured many people, but no.
They'll be in the points at least, if not on the podium come Australia.
There's only a 2 tenth of a second gap between the Ferrari & McLaren today. I genuinely thought that would have reassured many people, but no.
They'll be in the points at least, if not on the podium come Australia.
I think the problem is that Ferrari have already proven they can go faster than they have today and have spent most of their time near the top of the timesheets for most of the winter testing sessions. Mclaren will need more than just one day where they're 'semi-close' to the competition to convince anybody(well me, at least).
Originally posted by daishi255
There's only a 2 tenth of a second gap between the Ferrari & McLaren today. I genuinely thought that would have reassured many people, but no.
They'll be in the points at least, if not on the podium come Australia.
There's only a 2 tenth of a second gap between the Ferrari & McLaren today. I genuinely thought that would have reassured many people, but no.
They'll be in the points at least, if not on the podium come Australia.
That's not enough for them. McLaren wanna rule the field lapping everyone, they're dreaming about MP4/4-like domination.
As I stated in the Brawn thread I will not speculate but hypothetically lets just say that McLaren do a similar thing to Ferrari in 1980 and come out with a car that regularly qualifies on the last few rows of the grid. What would the Mercedes board (one that only recently came close to quitting) make of that? Again this is only hypothetical.
Originally posted by Les
As I stated in the Brawn thread I will not speculate but hypothetically lets just say that McLaren do a similar thing to Ferrari in 1980 and come out with a car that regularly qualifies on the last few rows of the grid. What would the Mercedes board (one that only recently came close to quitting) make of that? Again this is only hypothetical.
As I stated in the Brawn thread I will not speculate but hypothetically lets just say that McLaren do a similar thing to Ferrari in 1980 and come out with a car that regularly qualifies on the last few rows of the grid. What would the Mercedes board (one that only recently came close to quitting) make of that? Again this is only hypothetical.
That's your idea of not speculating?
Well I'm not going to state if I think McLaren will be slow or if Brawn will run away with the championship or whatever. It is just a hypothetical situation.
In that hypothetical case, I think that the star would (clearly visible) appear on the Brawn - coupled with a serious engine discount - and some technical solutions of the current Brawn car will quickly find their way to the MP4/24, or maybe a MP4/24B or even MP4/25 if a B-model would be necessary. 2 frontrunning teams is better than one; Honda and Renault used to have it, in certain years in the 80s and 90s.
Originally posted by undersquare
Well why not? That's what a superfandango miracle diffuser would do. We're just depending on one actually existing. Which it might , or might not 
.
Well why not? That's what a superfandango miracle diffuser would do. We're just depending on one actually existing. Which it might
, or might not . the diffuser, a miracle cure. To quote Timon and Pumba "If it cures, it s a miracle."
Originally posted by Wouter
In that hypothetical case, I think that the star would (clearly visible) appear on the Brawn - coupled with a serious engine discount - and some technical solutions of the current Brawn car will quickly find their way to the MP4/24, or maybe a MP4/24B or even MP4/25 if a B-model would be necessary. 2 frontrunning teams is better than one; Honda and Renault used to have it, in certain years in the 80s and 90s.
In that hypothetical case, I think that the star would (clearly visible) appear on the Brawn - coupled with a serious engine discount - and some technical solutions of the current Brawn car will quickly find their way to the MP4/24, or maybe a MP4/24B or even MP4/25 if a B-model would be necessary. 2 frontrunning teams is better than one; Honda and Renault used to have it, in certain years in the 80s and 90s.
lol lol i like ur thinking...Mclaren needs to get back on their espionage sht, we need that 750 page document asap. This time its Brawn, it should be easier with the Mercedes connection. Damn our car sucks and it looks like magic diffuser doesnt exist
No espionage will be necessary, if Mercedes gets involved. If the Brawn is as fast as it looks, everybody will be copying it anyway (just like the MP4/13 got copied for the 1999 season).
And may it be needed to copy the Brawn? If the MP4/24 is as bad as it looks now, maybe. That 8-lap stint Hamilton did on the last Barcelona day didn't look that bad, depending on fuel level and how used the tyres were.
And may it be needed to copy the Brawn? If the MP4/24 is as bad as it looks now, maybe. That 8-lap stint Hamilton did on the last Barcelona day didn't look that bad, depending on fuel level and how used the tyres were.
Still with a worse than expected week, the team seems to have made improvements on choosing their aero configuration + did some valuable work on setups.
The runs have been quite similar (in length) and I suppose Mclaren didn't do any low fuel runs and race stint simulations.
So there's been an improvement from 1:22.9 on Monday to 1:20.8 on Thursday.
All is not lost. We still have 4 more full testing days, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota haven't got any and we know that at least BMW and Ferrari practiced lowish fuel qual. And they haven't gone past 1:20.1.
The runs have been quite similar (in length) and I suppose Mclaren didn't do any low fuel runs and race stint simulations.
So there's been an improvement from 1:22.9 on Monday to 1:20.8 on Thursday.
All is not lost. We still have 4 more full testing days, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota haven't got any and we know that at least BMW and Ferrari practiced lowish fuel qual. And they haven't gone past 1:20.1.
well we know that they will introduce parts in jerez, its a given. At least Brawn will be at that test too. If McLaren can match Brawn at Jerez with the updates, we can presume theyll be up there in Melbourne, assuming they start showing us what they can do in Jerez knowing Ferrari arent there
one has to wonder why they even bother with a world championship at all...
they should just name brawngp as champions, put number 22 back onto hamilton's car and proceed onto next year's test...
better still, the fia should rule that any team that dares put flow-vis on their cars or conducts an aero test at an airport is immediately declared a dog and incapable of anywhere near midfield.
they should just name brawngp as champions, put number 22 back onto hamilton's car and proceed onto next year's test...
better still, the fia should rule that any team that dares put flow-vis on their cars or conducts an aero test at an airport is immediately declared a dog and incapable of anywhere near midfield.
the useage of flow vis is far greater than any other team/car I can recall in the past.
why use it if all is well. kinda a red rag to all the other teams that you have issues.
why use it if all is well. kinda a red rag to all the other teams that you have issues.
Probably wondering whether KERS is truly messing with the balance of the car, in terms of weight, but also in terms of downforce... and ultimately the car's setting...
The worst thing that can now happen is for it to rain in Jerez....touch wood.
I was thinking back to the shake down of the car. Pedro said something of the type that:"...and I'm pleased to report that it is behaving exactly as we expected...". And now Norby came out and said that "...it behaves good, it's just slow...". Now what I'm thinking is that mac designed the car and it behaved exactly as predicted, but they seriously underestimated the competition. What I'm trying to say is that they thought that they were on par until they got a rude awakening at the group tests. I expect (and hope) that the MTC will be a very busy place in order to catch up. 24/7 shifts for everyone. Even the tea lady and Geoffrey the ganitor.
I do pity Whitmarsh though. He will likely be blamed by the ignorant for potentially ruining Lewis's title defence, while in reality, he inherited the situation.
I was thinking back to the shake down of the car. Pedro said something of the type that:"...and I'm pleased to report that it is behaving exactly as we expected...". And now Norby came out and said that "...it behaves good, it's just slow...". Now what I'm thinking is that mac designed the car and it behaved exactly as predicted, but they seriously underestimated the competition. What I'm trying to say is that they thought that they were on par until they got a rude awakening at the group tests. I expect (and hope) that the MTC will be a very busy place in order to catch up. 24/7 shifts for everyone. Even the tea lady and Geoffrey the ganitor.
I do pity Whitmarsh though. He will likely be blamed by the ignorant for potentially ruining Lewis's title defence, while in reality, he inherited the situation.
Their current performance demonstrates that even McLaren does not have unlimited resources.
Although they tried to tell us the opposite, that they could work on both last year's and this year's car without sacrificing one for the other.
Last year's title fight has simply compromised the 2009 project.
Although they tried to tell us the opposite, that they could work on both last year's and this year's car without sacrificing one for the other.
Last year's title fight has simply compromised the 2009 project.
Originally posted by dabrasco
lol lol i like ur thinking...Mclaren needs to get back on their espionage sht, we need that 750 page document asap. This time its Brawn, it should be easier with the Mercedes connection. Damn our car sucks and it looks like magic diffuser doesnt exist
lol lol i like ur thinking...Mclaren needs to get back on their espionage sht, we need that 750 page document asap. This time its Brawn, it should be easier with the Mercedes connection. Damn our car sucks and it looks like magic diffuser doesnt exist
wtf?
What options does the team have now? They can make incremental improvements with the help of the CFD and their Simulator but since they will not be in a position to validate until the Friday of a GP, these tools will not be much of a help and may not bestow the team with the distinct advantage they may have otherwise gained.
Originally posted by rodlamas
Still with a worse than expected week, the team seems to have made improvements on choosing their aero configuration + did some valuable work on setups.
The runs have been quite similar (in length) and I suppose Mclaren didn't do any low fuel runs and race stint simulations.
So there's been an improvement from 1:22.9 on Monday to 1:20.8 on Thursday.
All is not lost. We still have 4 more full testing days, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota haven't got any and we know that at least BMW and Ferrari practiced lowish fuel qual. And they haven't gone past 1:20.1.
Still with a worse than expected week, the team seems to have made improvements on choosing their aero configuration + did some valuable work on setups.
The runs have been quite similar (in length) and I suppose Mclaren didn't do any low fuel runs and race stint simulations.
So there's been an improvement from 1:22.9 on Monday to 1:20.8 on Thursday.
All is not lost. We still have 4 more full testing days, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota haven't got any and we know that at least BMW and Ferrari practiced lowish fuel qual. And they haven't gone past 1:20.1.
I like that summing up
They ended the week not far off where they need to be it seems. It appears that some teams are further down the development route and have regained more downforce than McLaren have yet, but that's not insurmountable - it's a question of employing the huge resources in a game of catch up. Ferrari will be doing the same to get up to Brawn so the season is not lost. If the team can find another half a second or so at Jerez they are going to be up there with the chasing pack - what fun it could be to see Hamilton and Alonso going at it hammer and tongs for sixth or seventh. Touch wood, the car is also showing commendable reliability and in light of the niggles suffered by BMW and Ferrari at Barcelona, they could still be in good shape come the chequered flag .
Originally posted by bogi
wtf?
wtf?
do i have to use '
' for u to know i was kidding
@ airwise i commend ur unshakeable optimism
Originally posted by rodlamas
Still with a worse than expected week, the team seems to have made improvements on choosing their aero configuration + did some valuable work on setups.
The runs have been quite similar (in length) and I suppose Mclaren didn't do any low fuel runs and race stint simulations.
So there's been an improvement from 1:22.9 on Monday to 1:20.8 on Thursday.
All is not lost. We still have 4 more full testing days, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota haven't got any and we know that at least BMW and Ferrari practiced lowish fuel qual. And they haven't gone past 1:20.1.
Still with a worse than expected week, the team seems to have made improvements on choosing their aero configuration + did some valuable work on setups.
The runs have been quite similar (in length) and I suppose Mclaren didn't do any low fuel runs and race stint simulations.
So there's been an improvement from 1:22.9 on Monday to 1:20.8 on Thursday.
All is not lost. We still have 4 more full testing days, Ferrari, BMW and Toyota haven't got any and we know that at least BMW and Ferrari practiced lowish fuel qual. And they haven't gone past 1:20.1.
How do you know there wasn't any low fuel run? Maybe that 1:20,8 was done with same fuel as Ferrari/BMW 1:20,1?
I don`t understand one thing, why McLaren didn't try to run the car without KERS, and to use balast in different combination of weight distribution, to understand if that was the problem? And if that was the problem, as many speculate, they just have to decide not to run KERS in Melbourne. I know that sounds a bit ridiculous, but championship is more important, than to run KERS just because they invested to much in it... likewise they will have more time to adjust (develop) the car, and to run KERS later in the season.
I'd assume the ballast is not the problem, so having KERS on board or not is not going to make much of a difference. Besides KERS is their single positive aspect and they wouldn't want to disable that for something elusive, at this point in time.
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