chhatra
Jan 15 2009, 18:04
Originally posted by dentistTubster
You should have been watching seriously since the early nineties, like I did (before then I watched on and off). Then you would have seen domination, in the form of Williams in 1996. Or you would have seen Ferrari produce a dog of a car in 1997 that the brilliance of Mickey the Shoe managed to haul into a championship fight (many attribute this also to the loss of Adrian Newey to Mclaren). I'm definitely not a Ferrari or Schuey fan - Mclaren all the way since I started watching when Senna was around. Even so, Mclaren produced several dogs in the mid-nineties, and then started becoming competitive when Newey worked his magic with the new 1998 rules. I therefore think Red Bull might do quite well this year in the hands of the excellent, and underrated, Webber and the much talked about Vettel.
Too bad i wasn't even in this world when McLaren really dominated. But i have a good feeling, doubt macca will dominate but I genuinely think they're finally making fast cars consistently and reliably. They were sorta on and off before. 17 hours to go.
dentistTubster
Jan 15 2009, 18:10
Originally posted by Yellowmc
Not really here to cause an argument but you are setting yourself up, we do not know the conditions or speed of the car.
It will be stunning, I have no doubt about that, McLaren have the tendency to produce stunning cars and with their great cooling system, expect a heavily streamlined F1 car. The interesting part will be the wheelbase, the rear tyres will be eaten alive this season so they may want to look into it.
I'm basing my thoughts on three things - firstly, they have the "odd-number" team designing the MP4-24, with Fry leading it. Secondly, they are the furthest developed with KERS (supposedly). Thirdly, even with a low-downforce Mclaren (with no ancillaries attached like bargeboards and the sidepod-shoulder wing) and with an '09 front wing, they were on the pace at Jerez, even if they were slightly behind the 2008-spec STRs.
Obviously the test in Portugal will be a good early indicator of pace.
Yellowmc
Jan 15 2009, 18:34
Wasn't the odd number thing discredited after last season, with a better 2nd driver, Mclaren could have taken the WCC.
dentistTubster
Jan 15 2009, 19:20
Originally posted by Yellowmc
Wasn't the odd number thing discredited after last season, with a better 2nd driver, Mclaren could have taken the WCC.
Only because the evens team was sured up with the influx of a few key aerodynamic staff. Anyway, the MP4-23 was not revolutionary, it was merely a logical evolution of the '22, with most of the ideas refined in the windtunnel, rather than new ideas being implemented (with the MP4-19, for example).
I hope the McLaren is quick.
It will no-doubt be sex to look at, McLaren have been producing beautiful cars for the past 2/3 years now, I think it has something to do with the paint
I'm a bit concerned at the lack of a real insight into post-Newey McLaren, since this is the most major aero shakeup for a long time.
We shall see.
f1rules
Jan 16 2009, 08:37
Originally posted by ZiRo
I hope the McLaren is quick.
It will no-doubt be sex to look at, McLaren have been producing beautiful cars for the past 2/3 years now, I think it has something to do with the paint
I'm a bit concerned at the lack of a real insight into post-Newey McLaren, since this is the most major aero shakeup for a long time.
We shall see.
thats the beauty, we have 10 neweys now,
joke by side i think the general impression is that one newey doesnt cut it, a f1 car is to complex to handle for one person, but admitted he has a lot of great ideas
Raziel
Jan 16 2009, 08:41
C´mon.....................I can´t wait!
I hope it will be a real beauty and most important - fast and reliable!
Also, Lets hope Toyota don't send anyones KERS development down the pan, just because they couldn't be arsed to develop it.
KiloWatt
Jan 16 2009, 08:44
Originally posted by KiloWatt
Mine is showing 20mins. It seems like everyones' countdowns are showing different times! Does anyone have an official launch schedule with a specific time? I hate these damn inconsistent countdowns!
Probably site check our GMT region, mine is GMT+1.
tahadar
Jan 16 2009, 08:48
Originally posted by KiloWatt
Mine is showing 20mins. It seems like everyones' countdowns are showing different times! Does anyone have an official launch schedule with a specific time? I hate these damn inconsistent countdowns!
haha! mine says 2 hours 11 minutes :S
that suggests a 11 am launch (UK time)
Oblivion
Jan 16 2009, 08:52
Mine is showing 10 minutes and I was hoping that it will be revealed really soon. At 11 Minsk time (GMT+3). Now I tend to believe that I have to wait.
Originally posted by tahadar
haha! mine says 2 hours 11 minutes :S
that suggests a 11 am launch (UK time)
from the McLaren media site:
"Images, from the Vodafone McLaren Mercedes MP4-24 launch, will be available from 11am (GMT) on Friday 16th January"
rodlamas
Jan 16 2009, 08:55
Originally posted by Oblivion
Mine is showing 10 minutes and I was hoping that it will be revealed really soon. At 11 Minsk time (GMT+3). Now I tend to believe that I have to wait.
Mine show 4 more hours!
f1rules
Jan 16 2009, 08:56
1h04min
They sure know how to distribute the load so their site doesn't collapse
.
lukywill
Jan 16 2009, 09:03
1 hour 57 minutes
bystander31
Jan 16 2009, 09:03
Mine says the cars already been launched
lukywill
Jan 16 2009, 09:04
Originally posted by kNt
They sure know how to distribute the load so their site doesn't collapse .
When exactly is the launch?
11:00 CET?
Oblivion
Jan 16 2009, 09:06
let me guess - every counter showing time to 11 local time.
Looserke
Jan 16 2009, 09:06
I think 11:00 GMT ; 12:00 CET
f1rules
Jan 16 2009, 09:08
i once wrote a mail to ron dennis, didnt get an answer but the mail got through i think, no error messages, perhaps we should write to him and ask him to hurry
Looserke
Jan 16 2009, 09:09
Your mail was killed by a spam filter i think
You should know by now that Ronny doesn`t use computers, ever.
Originally posted by f1rules
i once wrote a mail to ron dennis, didnt get an answer but the mail got through i think, no error messages, perhaps we should write to him and ask him to hurry
We need to sue him, every country have another launch time, that's racist. Im going to ask mr.Boland for help.
f1rules
Jan 16 2009, 09:13
ive read it but i just can believe he hasnt got one in his office,
f1rules
Jan 16 2009, 09:14
Originally posted by bogi
We need to sue him, every country have another launch time, that's racist. Im going to ask mr.Boland for help.
KiloWatt
Jan 16 2009, 09:38
Originally posted by Oblivion
let me guess - every counter showing time to 11 local time.
Damn right. Mine counted down to 11AM local time (GMT+2) and then a whole lot of nothing happened.
united
Jan 16 2009, 09:43
I reckon last year it was the same.
rghojai
Jan 16 2009, 09:49
Oblivian, I think you are correct. I am GMT +3, it is 12:49 local time, countdown shows zeros and a big fat nothing.
rodlamas
Jan 16 2009, 09:50
I think we still have some 70 minutes left...
Beyond
Jan 16 2009, 09:59
30 sec left to me
Modern Lover
Jan 16 2009, 10:01
Timstr11
Jan 16 2009, 10:01
Server overload as expected.
f1rules
Jan 16 2009, 10:01
000000 for me, nothing
united
Jan 16 2009, 10:01
Originally posted by Beyond
30 sec left to me
A lot of people have already passed this stage.
tahadar
Jan 16 2009, 10:01
so looks like 11AM GMT. 59 minutes left
Modern Lover
Jan 16 2009, 10:07
Originally posted by tahadar
so looks like 11AM GMT. 59 minutes left
No, the mclaren page has counted down to zero, but the launch section is down.
The McLaren site says 50m left for me ??
I think the presentation started 11:00, but they will upload high res pictures at 12 O'clock...
or... i dont know...
f1rules
Jan 16 2009, 10:15
yes i think it started at 11 to, its friday, people want to get home
Originally posted by ZiRo
The McLaren site says 50m left for me ??
the downcounter is connected with your computer-clock...
Ok, Just to confirm, I am in GMT and it is currently 10:12.
So if it does start at 11AM GMT - it doesn't start for another 48 minutes.
Pics are a good hour and 48 minutes away if posted at 12AM
HoldenRT
Jan 16 2009, 10:17
Looking foward to seeing the McLaren.
Don't like either team, but let's face it McLaren and Ferrari are the only 2 cars that really matter in the big picture.
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