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skid solo

Mar 15 2009, 12:43

Originally posted by hunnylander

Hence, the Toro has a complety different chassis to Red Bull.

Same team.... Toro Rosso in Italian means Red Bull. Owned by the same guy just different engines and critically produced through two different factories.

skid solo

Mar 15 2009, 12:46

Anyhow, getting back on topic, how the hell does Mclaren expect to sort out their problems by sitting in the garage?

Madras

Mar 15 2009, 12:48

Originally posted by skid solo
Anyhow, getting back on topic, how the hell does Mclaren expect to sort out their problems by sitting in the garage?

They all had to go and change their underpants after they saw Rubens' times.

klyster

Mar 15 2009, 12:50

^ still at it?

Originally posted by skid solo
Anyhow, getting back on topic, how the hell does Mclaren expect to sort out their problems by sitting in the garage?

I'm sure there would be a reason.

I doubt they're just sitting there sulking.

Look on the bright side, at least they haven't post any slow times today

bankoq

Mar 15 2009, 13:04

McLaren must be waiting for new parts or they have big problems with the car.

Insane111

Mar 15 2009, 14:09

The testing limit is in absolutely no danger of being reached, so I can't see any benefit at all to not testing today. Can't think why they'd be doing it, maybe they've done something dumb like leaving all their engines over in Barcelona.

peroa

Mar 15 2009, 14:19

Maybe they will start testing tomorrow for 4 days.

Wouter

Mar 15 2009, 14:20

I guess they are waiting for new parts, and they don't see the point in further testing what they have at the moment.

bankoq

Mar 15 2009, 15:40

Originally posted by Wouter
I guess they are waiting for new parts, and they don't see the point in further testing what they have at the moment.

Why? They could do more flow vis or sth. If they really don't see anything interesting to test right now then it must be really bad with their car.

Or maybe they start will their tests tomorrow?

Raziel

Mar 15 2009, 16:56

McLaren is also present at this week's test but has decided to run from Monday to Thursday rather than Sunday to Wednesday as originally planned. Lewis Hamilton will drive for the first two days before handing over to team-mate Heikki Kovalainen.

Showty

Mar 15 2009, 17:09

It was reported here in Spain that McLaren was expecting to have some new pieces for today´s test, but these pieces weren´t ready on time so they decided not to test today.

They should get those pieces for tomorrow.

Seanspeed

Mar 15 2009, 17:12

Originally posted by Raziel
McLaren is also present at this week's test but has decided to run from Monday to Thursday rather than Sunday to Wednesday as originally planned. Lewis Hamilton will drive for the first two days before handing over to team-mate Heikki Kovalainen.

Well at least on Thursday they'll be able to finally top the testing sheets!

rodlamas

Mar 15 2009, 17:24

Originally posted by TheHumanPromise

Well at least on Thursday they'll be able to finally top the testing sheets!

Williams will also test on the 19th

f1rules

Mar 15 2009, 17:25

Originally posted by Showty
It was reported here in Spain that McLaren was expecting to have some new pieces for today´s test, but these pieces weren´t ready on time so they decided not to test today.

They should get those pieces for tomorrow.

please let it be a redesigned car, with totally new cooling, lower and narrower sidepods, and the gearbox lengthened in order to move weight forward and offcourse a new diff, then they would have a winning car

Timstr11

Mar 15 2009, 17:50

Originally posted by f1rules

please let it be a redesigned car, with totally new cooling, lower and narrower sidepods, and the gearbox lengthened in order to move weight forward and offcourse a new diff, then they would have a winning car

I know you're joking, but seriously that's going to take longer than normal. Teams are only allowed 40 hours a week wind tunnel time, as of late. Until last year they were running tunnels in 24/7 shifts.

kismet

Mar 15 2009, 18:00

MP4-24B - just a little something they whipped up over the weekend

quasi C

Mar 15 2009, 18:03

Teams are only allowed 40 hours a week wind tunnel time, as of late.

How the hell are they even policing that? that's 2 out of 3 shifts a day cancelled, there must be a few layoffs...

whatto999

Mar 15 2009, 18:07

Originally posted by quasi C

How the hell are they even policing that? that's 2 out of 3 shifts a day cancelled, there must be a few layoffs...

More then few...

Timstr11

Mar 15 2009, 18:09

Originally posted by quasi C

How the hell are they even policing that? that's 2 out of 3 shifts a day cancelled, there must be a few layoffs...

Charlie Whiting to Autosport.com

Q. Finally, there's a big cut in wind tunnel testing…

CW: That's right. No more than forty hours per week for each team.

Q. Why was this measure taken and what does it imply?

CW: This is simply because some teams were running twenty-four hours a day, seven days a week with three shifts -including model makers- and all that sort of thing. Quite clearly, it's very hard for a team that hasn't got that kind of resources to keep up. Forty hours a week seems to be something everybody can cope with.

Q. Will you be able to check that nobody uses a sub-contractor to do extra work in a private facility?

CW: We're obviously looking into all those things: if it emerged that anyone had been doing something underhand, they would be in very serious trouble. Also, we're putting measures into place in order to make sure that people don't have any incentive to do so.

Not clear how, but the penalty will be severe if caught.

Kenaltgr

Mar 15 2009, 19:11

Originally posted by Timstr11
I know you're joking, but seriously that's going to take longer than normal. Teams are only allowed 40 hours a week wind tunnel time, as of late. Until last year they were running tunnels in 24/7 shifts.

Will never be policed properly unless each facility has a member of the FIA in the wind tunnells doing shift work. Then the teams can still pay to have private companies do the testing with no one finding out.

Tenmantaylor

Mar 15 2009, 19:13

Remove a blade from the offending fan each time caught?

f1rules

Mar 15 2009, 19:34

actually i dont exspect them to deliver anything until mid season, that is if they manage to bring a new car. The rear wing is a pretty simple part, and its all the parts in front of it that determines how well it functions and how effective it is. The next thing is, they need to determine which part produces the problems. If it is the sidepods they need to change them. That means tunnel testing, cfd and then production. if its not them, then we are even more screwed. The further you get to the front of the car the bigger the problem. Because the more you need to test in the tunnel and the more you need to change on the car. But we will se what happens

jokuvaan

Mar 15 2009, 19:40

I'm not sure is said already but TS says that Mclaren will get next Monday:
-new floor
-new front wing sideplades
-new rear wing
-new diffuser

booky

Mar 15 2009, 19:45

Like in every test so far

Anomnader

Mar 15 2009, 19:46

Originally posted by jokuvaan
I'm not sure is said already but TS says that Mclaren will get next Monday:
-new floor
-new front wing sideplades
-new rear wing
-new diffuser

Is that tomorrow, or the monday in 8 days time?

raiseyourfistfor

Mar 15 2009, 19:47

hopefully tomorrow because if its in 8 days time they wont be able to test them

Phucaigh

Mar 15 2009, 19:47

Originally posted by Kenaltgr

Will never be policed properly unless each facility has a member of the FIA in the wind tunnells doing shift work. Then the teams can still pay to have private companies do the testing with no one finding out.

They might use electricity use as a measure.

Anomnader

Mar 15 2009, 19:51

I thought I heard mention somewhere that it takes 3 weeks for a carbon fibre piece to come out of the kiln?

Insane111

Mar 15 2009, 20:19

If they have brought along even one of those things, I'll be fairly content. I guess if the problem(s?) dates back a while, they might have been designing and making them for a while too. We'll see. Glad they'll still get to test for four days anyway.

race addicted

Mar 15 2009, 20:23

Originally posted by Insane111
If they have brought along even one of those things, I'll be fairly content. I guess if the problem(s?) dates back a while, they might have been designing and making them for a while too. We'll see. Glad they'll still get to test for four days anyway.

It's been a while since they first ran the car with that green liquid on it, so clearly they recognised or became aware of the problems early.
what TS reports sounds reasonable for a typical aero-update pre-season, and if successful a new diffuser and front wing could potentially slash several tenths off their laptimes.
...but obvioyusly they need to work in "symbiosis" with the rest of the cars aerodynamics, and as we've all heard before; not always do the data from the tunnel correlate to on-track results and performance.

Enkei

Mar 15 2009, 20:26

Originally posted by jokuvaan
I'm not sure is said already but TS says that Mclaren will get next Monday:
-new floor
-new front wing sideplades
-new rear wing
-new diffuser

I've never seen any team test that much new components in 2 weeks time as McLaren this winter.

Anomnader

Mar 15 2009, 20:28

google translation

McLarenin new parts come on Monday

Turun Sanomat, Jerez
Stop-trading is the tip of pace last week in Barcelona left McLaren be Monday Jerez tests MP4-24 car-a new floor, etusiivekkeen page plates, the revised rear wing and modified air currents on the bottom to guide diffusorin.
Sunday Woking factory did not receive the new parts ready, and so McLaren will not run the last test period, the opening day at all.
Lewis Hamilton to drive on Monday and Tuesday, while Heikki Kovalainen is finalizing work on Wednesday and Thursday.
Jerez measure Brawnin tires
Brawn new store RGP001 car was again the fastest, while Rubens Barrichello drove ongelmattomaton days. After Barcelona Jerez track is believed to make Brawn for greater challenges, because Jerez is traditionally harrowing back tires, which is the face of cars common headache.
It has been said that if Brawn is Jerez in half a second quicker than the Renault, it will underline the car's competitiveness. Sunday Brawn was 0683 seconds faster than Fernando Alonso, Renault flogging, but the comparison base was inadequate. The fastest lap was 1.19,236.
Renault had intended to try to R29-Malaysian car down force levels, which Jereziin was too low. Alonso räväytti out of the car and lost five hours of testing time. Thus Barrichello fastest times arose when Alonso was a depot.
Brawn appears to be fighting fit. Although Honda withdrew from F1 activities at the beginning of November, Brackley factory in the car, however, was more prepared than any of the other stables. It has invested in the whole of break time and the transition from Mercedes engines was painless and hosumatta.
On Monday and Tuesday, the track four cars, when Brawn, Renault and Williams are McLarenin with the work. On Wednesday, no longer pushing McLaren and Williams. On Thursday, a line is entirely McLarenin enabled.
Remember Ferrarin stables are to be driven directly Vairanossa tests.
The fastest test rounds
Jerez: Rubens Barrichello Brawn BGP001 1.19,236 (107 rounds), 2), Fernando Alonso, Renault R29 1.19,819 (40), 3) Nico Hülkenberg Williams FW31 1.20,015 (69).

roadrunner89

Mar 15 2009, 20:34

Strange anyway, Ron said they are already running with their Melbourne package, and now they get a lot of new parts again, if TS is right....

Timstr11

Mar 15 2009, 20:36

Judging by today's pictures, Hamilton was ready to go. So it was a last minute delay:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/photos/2009/index_tests.shtml

Monad

Mar 15 2009, 20:37

It's all a conspiracy by Ron. He screw the development of the car to show them that with out him handling things they are useless and to avoid giving Hamilton that car he promised.

hunnylander

Mar 15 2009, 20:44

Originally posted by jokuvaan
I'm not sure is said already but TS says that Mclaren will get next Monday:
-new floor
-new front wing sideplades
-new rear wing
-new diffuser

"I told you so! I told you so!"

I hope it's true and the new components will improve the pace of the 24, significantly.

hunnylander

Mar 15 2009, 20:48

Originally posted by Monad
It all a conspiracy by Ron. He screw the development of the car to show them that with out him handling things they are useless and to avoid giving Hamilton that car he promised.

Shame on you, Ron!

mkay

Mar 15 2009, 21:14

Originally posted by hunnylander

"I told you so! I told you so!"

I hope it's true and the new components will improve the pace of the 24, significantly.

Judging from the last "new diffuser" they put on the car, I wouldn't be too excited if I were you.

undersquare

Mar 15 2009, 21:18

Originally posted by jokuvaan
I'm not sure is said already but TS says that Mclaren will get next Monday:
-new floor
-new front wing sideplades
-new rear wing
-new diffuser

Hope

I wonder how much it's worth? More traction cold make quite a lot of difference.

SNiko

Mar 15 2009, 21:20

Originally posted by jokuvaan
I'm not sure is said already but TS says that Mclaren will get next Monday:
-new floor
-new front wing sideplades
-new rear wing
-new diffuser

hunnylander

Mar 15 2009, 21:59

Originally posted by mkay

Judging from the last "new diffuser" they put on the car, I wouldn't be too excited if I were you.

There was no last new diffuser, they just welded the first one.

I'm not too exited, I was just kidding with the emoticon and the 'told you so'. But I in deed told you so I expect a new diffuser to come, cause the current welded crap can't be the final one.

F1 Truth

Mar 15 2009, 22:00

So the bulky sidepods will stay?

It'd be nice if the front wing endplate modifications were somewhat profound as compared to the Brawn Mac's front wing looks ancient. Then again the whole car (minus the front suspension, but even that is probably partly the reason for the aerodynamic deficiencies) looks ancient compared to Brawn and some others.

Oh well, hopefully the new diffuser brings some notable gains so that McLaren could challenge for top 10 positions. But perhaps that is (way) too much to ask.

Insane111

Mar 15 2009, 22:43

Looking at that article, and I realise its just a google translation, so not gospel, but it says "THE revised rear wing", implying that its one that we've seen before.

Could be reading too much into it though, not sure why they'd have mentioned it if was an old(ish) part.

Fingers crossed everything goes to plan.

f1rules

Mar 15 2009, 22:53

come on. we will not see a new rearwing or floor, they already tested it. You just dont bring theese things, im quessing the only thing that could be new is the diffuser because its hasnt been changed yet and perhaps the frontwing endplates,

rodlamas

Mar 15 2009, 23:20

Originally posted by roadrunner89
Strange anyway, Ron said they are already running with their Melbourne package, and now they get a lot of new parts again, if TS is right....

The Melbourne package fail to deliver what they expected. So they worked overnight, designed and producted new parts that they expect will better their performance.

The delivery of those new parts was probably delayed a bit so they shifted their schedule form SUN-WED to MON-THU.

As simple as it gets.

Monad

Mar 16 2009, 01:46

So is all depending if the new improvements have the effect they expect. If not they will be completely lost.

bogi

Mar 16 2009, 07:34

Originally posted by rodlamas

The Melbourne package fail to deliver what they expected. So they worked overnight, designed and producted new parts that they expect will better their performance.

The delivery of those new parts was probably delayed a bit so they shifted their schedule form SUN-WED to MON-THU.

As simple as it gets.

Probably that flow-vis testing helped with understanding or calibrating data.

bankoq

Mar 16 2009, 08:49

Originally posted by undersquare

Hope

I wonder how much it's worth? More traction cold make quite a lot of difference.

So 3 month needed to produce new parts isn't true anymore I guess.

skid solo

Mar 16 2009, 08:54

Originally posted by bogi

Probably that flow-vis testing helped with understanding or calibrating data.

Could be the track conditions but they are half a second up on the last test at Jerez so far

skid solo

Mar 16 2009, 08:56

Just done a 00:01'20''080 1.3 seconds faster than last test at Jerez

Still a long way to go Rubens on a 00:01'18''398

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