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I don't know what is the real name, we call it end rod, it is for the toe in/out adjustment.
Originally posted by airwise
I'm not a technically minded guy but I would have thought the problem they have is generating enough airflow to the diffuser - regardless of it's design. Looking at the undercut sidepods that seem to be extreme on the Brawn and prominent on the Ferrari and others, it seems Mclaren cannot do that whilst the KERS is situated in their pods. And the channels on the Brawn are no doubt allowing large amounts of clean fast air to reach their clever diffuser design - which is able to take advantage of this ample supply. Does that make sense?
I'm not a technically minded guy but I would have thought the problem they have is generating enough airflow to the diffuser - regardless of it's design. Looking at the undercut sidepods that seem to be extreme on the Brawn and prominent on the Ferrari and others, it seems Mclaren cannot do that whilst the KERS is situated in their pods. And the channels on the Brawn are no doubt allowing large amounts of clean fast air to reach their clever diffuser design - which is able to take advantage of this ample supply. Does that make sense?
Absolutely, the undercut sidepods are IMO one of the easiests to spot signs of an aerodynamically sound car. Even last year it could be seen how much difference it made to the laptimes when McLaren was able to use the smaller air intake on one side (Hockenheim, Spa, Shanghai), thus allowing more air to travel through the undercut. And now Brawn has the most undercut sidepods by a significant margin and they're dominating. I'm not saying that it's the only reason they are so fast, as frankly their whole car is visually (for what it's worth) more advanced than the rest, just that it plays a notable part in the advantage they seem to have.
Originally posted by alg7_munif
I don't know what is the real name, we call it end rod, it is for the toe in/out adjustment.
I don't know what is the real name, we call it end rod, it is for the toe in/out adjustment.
In the UK we call it a toe-link. Very normal on a double wishbone suspension.
Originally posted by bogi
What's next?
The Diffuser Of Impending Doom om om m m...
What's next?
Originally posted by Mark A
In the UK we call it a toe-link. Very normal on a double wishbone suspension.
In the UK we call it a toe-link. Very normal on a double wishbone suspension.
Either that, or it's just there to create some extra "wing" for more downforce, with no other function at all. By making it unsprung its part of the suspension and not a aero part....
Or am I missing it completely here???
Originally posted by Beamer
Either that, or it's just there to create some extra "wing" for more downforce, with no other function at all. By making it unsprung its part of the suspension and not a aero part....
Or am I missing it completely here???
Either that, or it's just there to create some extra "wing" for more downforce, with no other function at all. By making it unsprung its part of the suspension and not a aero part....
Or am I missing it completely here???
Lol, you can see the joint at the end of the wishbone, without this "toe link", the upright will rotate freely.
Today testing, again flow-vis pain all over the car. I think problem is on the front wing and how it's send flow to the back of the car.
Rear brake ducts have two chanels now.
Rear brake ducts have two chanels now.
New bargeboards and flaps?
Still trying to source the exact nature of the aero shortfall then...
I'm sure they'll get it cracked. But how long will it take to solve this?
I'm sure they'll get it cracked. But how long will it take to solve this?
There's a flip up on the floor just before the cut out. Also new?
http://galeria.sprintame.com/album0.html
pic nr. 12, are there small slits on the outer part of the first element of the front wing?
pic nr. 12, are there small slits on the outer part of the first element of the front wing?
Originally posted by F.M.
http://galeria.sprintame.com/album0.html
pic nr. 12, are there small slits on the outer part of the first element of the front wing?
http://galeria.sprintame.com/album0.html
pic nr. 12, are there small slits on the outer part of the first element of the front wing?
It's form the Barca testing.
Originally posted by bogi
[B]Today testing, again flow-vis pain all over the car. I think problem is on the front wing and how it's send flow to the back of the car.
[B]Today testing, again flow-vis pain all over the car. I think problem is on the front wing and how it's send flow to the back of the car.
This is the reason
McLaren’s Tyler Alexander to retire after 46 years
Tyler Alexander, a McLaren stalwart and one of the few remaining members of the team to have worked alongside original founder Bruce McLaren, is to retire this month, McLaren confirmed on Tuesday. Alexander’s career has spanned five decades at the pinnacle of motorsport. As a young US mechanic with a passion for racing, he joined Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd in 1963. He rose to become one of Bruce McLaren's most trusted lieutenants and, later, one of the burgeoning team's principal figures. As the team expanded, Alexander found his talents blossoming on his own side of the Atlantic, helming McLaren's CanAm and USAC racing activities in North America before helping establish the foundations for Ron Dennis's McLaren International operation in the 1980s. "While McLaren represents the cutting-edge of modernity, we also have huge pride and respect for our roots - very few people embody the blend of both those worlds as well as Tyler Alexander,” commented Ron Dennis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the McLaren Group. "That he has retained an important role on our race team until his leaving speaks volumes for both his passion for the sport and his vast experience, adaptability and intelligence. His is a legacy that has spanned every decade of this team's involvement in Formula One and one that we will continue to cherish while missing his day-to-day involvement with the team.”
Tyler Alexander, a McLaren stalwart and one of the few remaining members of the team to have worked alongside original founder Bruce McLaren, is to retire this month, McLaren confirmed on Tuesday. Alexander’s career has spanned five decades at the pinnacle of motorsport. As a young US mechanic with a passion for racing, he joined Bruce McLaren Motor Racing Ltd in 1963. He rose to become one of Bruce McLaren's most trusted lieutenants and, later, one of the burgeoning team's principal figures. As the team expanded, Alexander found his talents blossoming on his own side of the Atlantic, helming McLaren's CanAm and USAC racing activities in North America before helping establish the foundations for Ron Dennis's McLaren International operation in the 1980s. "While McLaren represents the cutting-edge of modernity, we also have huge pride and respect for our roots - very few people embody the blend of both those worlds as well as Tyler Alexander,” commented Ron Dennis, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the McLaren Group. "That he has retained an important role on our race team until his leaving speaks volumes for both his passion for the sport and his vast experience, adaptability and intelligence. His is a legacy that has spanned every decade of this team's involvement in Formula One and one that we will continue to cherish while missing his day-to-day involvement with the team.”
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/3/9023.html
Originally posted by Owen
Still trying to source the exact nature of the aero shortfall then...
I'm sure they'll get it cracked. But how long will it take to solve this?
Still trying to source the exact nature of the aero shortfall then...
I'm sure they'll get it cracked. But how long will it take to solve this?
1/3 of the season according to Haug.
Originally posted by bankoq
1/3 of the season according to Haug.
1/3 of the season according to Haug.
Ron thought the problem would be fixed in Jerez, Whitmarsh by Melbourne and Haug, after a third of the season.
So I don't know just how deep this thing is. I really hope it gets sorted soon and that the payback for that is BIG. Otherwise it will be just painful to watch (as a fan).
Originally posted by bankoq
1/3 of the season according to Haug.
1/3 of the season according to Haug.
According to Mark Hughes ITV.com once they have found where the problem is being caused, they should be able to sort it out pretty quickly... 1/3 of a seasons seems a bit over the top but you never know with these things.
Does anybody know length of stints Hamilton is doing?
Haug could be correct. While there is some degree of progress it is only a small increment, not the quantum leaps that we fans are hoping. I think by the end of the Jerez test McLaren will be roughly around 0.5 secs off the pace of Ferrari. This is better than the 1 sec difference in pace that seemed to suggest looking at the Barcelona test results. Anyway, all we can do is to hope and pray that they don't stay at the back end of the mid-field for too long into the season.
Originally posted by Owen
Ron thought the problem would be fixed in Jerez, Whitmarsh by Melbourne and Haug, after a third of the season.
So I don't know just how deep this thing is. I really hope it gets sorted soon and that the payback for that is BIG. Otherwise it will be just painful to watch (as a fan).
Ron thought the problem would be fixed in Jerez, Whitmarsh by Melbourne and Haug, after a third of the season.
So I don't know just how deep this thing is. I really hope it gets sorted soon and that the payback for that is BIG. Otherwise it will be just painful to watch (as a fan).
My feeling is they are not sure even know where the problem lies (hence all the equipment attached to cars and flow vis tests) so predictions when it will be fixed are not worth much. My own prediction (which is worth even less) : problem is pretty fundamental otherwise they would be over it already and will require a B-spec car - So 1/3 of a season at least.
Originally posted by Owen
Ron thought the problem would be fixed in Jerez, Whitmarsh by Melbourne and Haug, after a third of the season.
So I don't know just how deep this thing is. I really hope it gets sorted soon and that the payback for that is BIG. Otherwise it will be just painful to watch (as a fan).
Ron thought the problem would be fixed in Jerez, Whitmarsh by Melbourne and Haug, after a third of the season.
So I don't know just how deep this thing is. I really hope it gets sorted soon and that the payback for that is BIG. Otherwise it will be just painful to watch (as a fan).
Whitmarsh didn't specify when they will solve the problems - he only said it may take a while. Also Dennis didn't state any date - he said McLaren will have additional days in Jerez while the rest won't, nothing more.
Haug was the only honest man of the three because he gave concrete figures.
Originally posted by wingwalker
My feeling is they are not sure even know where the problem lies (hence all the equipment attached to cars and flow vis tests) so predictions when it will be fixed are not worth much. My own prediction (which is worth even less) : problem is pretty fundamental otherwise they would be over it already and will require a B-spec car - So 1/3 of a season at least.
My feeling is they are not sure even know where the problem lies (hence all the equipment attached to cars and flow vis tests) so predictions when it will be fixed are not worth much. My own prediction (which is worth even less) : problem is pretty fundamental otherwise they would be over it already and will require a B-spec car - So 1/3 of a season at least.
Depressing for a defending champion to be in that position. Reminds me of the sad sight of Damon Hill as defending champion. I never really forgave Williams for that.
Originally posted by bankoq
Whitmarsh didn't specify when they will solve the problems - he only said it may take a while. Also Dennis didn't state any date - he said McLaren will have additional days in Jerez while the rest won't, nothing more.
Haug was the only honest man of the three because he gave concrete figures.
Whitmarsh didn't specify when they will solve the problems - he only said it may take a while. Also Dennis didn't state any date - he said McLaren will have additional days in Jerez while the rest won't, nothing more.
Haug was the only honest man of the three because he gave concrete figures.
Or taken from someone who wants to look on the badside of everything McLaren
Haug could actually be the only dishonest one, as only he gave a concrete time on something which he has no idea how long something is going to take
whereas the others didn't know how long something is going to take and so quite honestly couldn't give a concrete idea
I think, what applys here is if you are looking for something bad you will find it
Originally posted by Anomnader
Or taken from someone who wants to look on the badside of everything McLaren
Haug could actually be the only dishonest one, as only he gave a concrete time on something which he has no idea how long something is going to take
whereas the others didn't know how long something is going to take and so quite honestly couldn't give a concrete idea
I think, what applys here is if you are looking for something bad you will find it
Or taken from someone who wants to look on the badside of everything McLaren
Haug could actually be the only dishonest one, as only he gave a concrete time on something which he has no idea how long something is going to take
whereas the others didn't know how long something is going to take and so quite honestly couldn't give a concrete idea
I think, what applys here is if you are looking for something bad you will find it
I can't remember some shitty words from Haugh about their engines in 2004-2006 era.
Originally posted by Anomnader
Or taken from someone who wants to look on the badside of everything McLaren
Haug could actually be the only dishonest one, as only he gave a concrete time on something which he has no idea how long something is going to take
whereas the others didn't know how long something is going to take and so quite honestly couldn't give a concrete idea
I think, what applys here is if you are looking for something bad you will find it
Or taken from someone who wants to look on the badside of everything McLaren
Haug could actually be the only dishonest one, as only he gave a concrete time on something which he has no idea how long something is going to take
whereas the others didn't know how long something is going to take and so quite honestly couldn't give a concrete idea
I think, what applys here is if you are looking for something bad you will find it
Sure. Same if you read too much into sth you will find positive stuff while there isn't any.
No worries, with the new points system there is still a chance to win the championship even if the start of the season were to be abysmal, if Mac are able to win all the remaining races starting from the German GP in July.
Conclusion: We'll have to wait and see. Patience was never my strong point.
Did hamilton a qualifying lap today??
Originally posted by Kimiraikkonen
Did hamilton a qualifying lap today??
Did hamilton a qualifying lap today??
still too early for that type of thing.
Originally posted by Anomnader
still too early for that type of thing.
still too early for that type of thing.
Tomorrow perhaps?
Originally posted by Kimiraikkonen
Tomorrow perhaps?
Tomorrow perhaps?
No, I meant they usually do that stuff at the last runs of the day don't they?
Originally posted by Anomnader
No, I meant they usually do that stuff at the last runs of the day don't they?
No, I meant they usually do that stuff at the last runs of the day don't they?
Ok , i agree.
regards
Originally posted by F1 Truth
No worries, with the new points system there is still a chance to win the championship even if the start of the season were to be abysmal, if Mac are able to win all the remaining races starting from the German GP in July.
No worries, with the new points system there is still a chance to win the championship even if the start of the season were to be abysmal, if Mac are able to win all the remaining races starting from the German GP in July.
Good point. Every team which has troubles at the beginning of the season can take several first races as test sessions and still be able to fight WDC in the second part of the season.
Originally posted by bankoq
Good point. Every team which has troubles at the beginning of the season can take several first races as test sessions and still be able to fight WDC in the second part of the season.
Good point. Every team which has troubles at the beginning of the season can take several first races as test sessions and still be able to fight WDC in the second part of the season.
That's a bit of a non-argument. Not a single F1 team would prefer to start the season lagging behind.
A good head start is very important, and with the new point regulations it won't matter if you will have to fight back or defend.
A win is a win.
new mclaren bardgeboard
To my eyes that flow vis seems to be showing horribly swirly flows round the back of the sidepods...
I can't believe that's what they want to be seeing.
This is just after it's been put on the car. Once they get up to speed it will then shift and show the direction of the airflow...(way to tell is that he's driving out of the garage! 
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Originally posted by Enkei
That's a bit of a non-argument. Not a single F1 team would prefer to start the season lagging behind.
A good head start is very important, and with the new point regulations it won't matter if you will have to fight back or defend.
A win is a win.
That's a bit of a non-argument. Not a single F1 team would prefer to start the season lagging behind.
A good head start is very important, and with the new point regulations it won't matter if you will have to fight back or defend.
A win is a win.
A team with very poor reliability with great speed will be greatly rewarded with this system (providing they can win).
Originally posted by Enkei
That's a bit of a non-argument. Not a single F1 team would prefer to start the season lagging behind.
A good head start is very important, and with the new point regulations it won't matter if you will have to fight back or defend.
A win is a win.
That's a bit of a non-argument. Not a single F1 team would prefer to start the season lagging behind.
A good head start is very important, and with the new point regulations it won't matter if you will have to fight back or defend.
A win is a win.
I think the point (and distinctive change from the old system) is that now you're still in with a chance even if you hypothetically don't score anything in the first 6 to 8 races, whereas with the old system you'd be out of it already.
In McLarens current situation that's an unexpected glimmer of hope, to say the least.
Looking at recent FIA decision, guys at Woking must feel that Christmas came seriously early this year. Limited testing is allowed and WDC will be decided by the number of wins, so a killer B car introduced later on might have a fair chance of winning, say, 4 races and grabbing the title (unless other team dominates first part of the season).
Did anyone have the rest of Hamiltons 25 lap stint times?
Regards.
Regards.
Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
A team with very poor reliability with great speed will be greatly rewarded with this system (providing they can win).
A team with very poor reliability with great speed will be greatly rewarded with this system (providing they can win).
And McLaren have just the opposite ;)
Reliable, but (too) slow..
Making up 3 or 4 wins is pretty difficult, but there's always 2 drivers a team, so I guess you're right
Originally posted by wdh
To my eyes that flow vis seems to be showing horribly swirly flows round the back of the sidepods...
To my eyes that flow vis seems to be showing horribly swirly flows round the back of the sidepods...
That's hardly a surprise, considering there is a front tyre in front.
Is it me or is the Mclaren looking like its held together with duck tape. The quality seems to have gone out the window! The car just looks a mess! I just hope it's short fixes by the test team and when it comes to Melbourne it will look like a proper F1 car again.
Originally posted by Tenmantaylor
A team with very poor reliability with great speed will be greatly rewarded with this system (providing they can win).
A team with very poor reliability with great speed will be greatly rewarded with this system (providing they can win).
With the new "points" system, McLaren could run like crap for half the year, then (somehow) pick up 5 wins or so towards the end of the season and likely be in the hunt. So they have time... "Starting strong" isn't so much of a big deal now.
Originally posted by skid solo
Is it me or is the Mclaren looking like its held together with duck tape. The quality seems to have gone out the window! The car just looks a mess! I just hope it's short fixes by the test team and when it comes to Melbourne it will look like a proper F1 car again.
Is it me or is the Mclaren looking like its held together with duck tape. The quality seems to have gone out the window! The car just looks a mess! I just hope it's short fixes by the test team and when it comes to Melbourne it will look like a proper F1 car again.
I dunno. Last-minute testing "panic" perhaps?
Originally posted by skid solo
Is it me or is the Mclaren looking like its held together with duck tape. The quality seems to have gone out the window! The car just looks a mess! I just hope it's short fixes by the test team and when it comes to Melbourne it will look like a proper F1 car again.
Is it me or is the Mclaren looking like its held together with duck tape. The quality seems to have gone out the window! The car just looks a mess! I just hope it's short fixes by the test team and when it comes to Melbourne it will look like a proper F1 car again.
Why, they are all using loads of ducktape all the time ...
Just thinking: McLaren have shortened the front track of the car in order to be able to fit those special wheel covers, that means the tyres are further inboard and hence the turbulence coming off them will be in a different place too. Maybe they've miscalculated how this is affecting the car downstream, as turbulence is hard to model
Originally posted by stevewf1
With the new "points" system, McLaren could run like crap for half the year, then (somehow) pick up 5 wins or so towards the end of the season and likely be in the hunt. So they have time... "Starting strong" isn't so much of a big deal now.
With the new "points" system, McLaren could run like crap for half the year, then (somehow) pick up 5 wins or so towards the end of the season and likely be in the hunt. So they have time... "Starting strong" isn't so much of a big deal now.
It is if someone else has already won the first 6 races.
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