Yeah, just thought it was odd that it was a non-official photo, only one site has it and there were no others at all.

The front wing/nose doesn't look good IMO.

Its not what I thought it would look like on track but maybe with another angle it will get better

We've got only one picture of MP4-24 and overall it looks decent but that nose doesn't look that good. IMHO still TF109 is the best looking car in motion pictures. Are there any different photos with McLaren car in motion?

Weird, I love that nose

That's the weird, who doesn't love that nose.

I noticed that Ferrari are doing more testing in the closing weeks to Melbroune. Is there any reason why we are Mclaren are not?

the last mclaren test before the season starts is a private one, i dont think ferraris last one is private, makes good sense though, normally the teams fit a totally new aero package just before they send the equipment on the way to australia

Ahhh, so wich one of my six lines of comment on the subject of (brought up and started by other posters) emails between lonso and delarosa was so negative it warranted a piss off comment? As far as i can see i was only adding an element to the conclusion the emails where about gaz, brakes and wings.

Furthermore it neatly adds to the discussion how does Mclaren compare their mp4-24 weight and aero to that of Ferraris F60, and how did they do that in the past. Or how and where does Mclaren use their simulator for.

Just put a cork in it, will you.

Seriously, there are 30+ plus threads dedicated to the subject, keep this stuff where it belongs.

I agree, looks a bit old and simple. Doesn't 'look' very fast to me, hopefully it is though

The bit I find strangest about the 24 is that the wings have virtually no undercut, now with an engine that compared to the ferrari used to have exceptional cooling I find strange, either Ferrari with being very cutdown has stolen a march, either McLaren has extra equipment under there (kers) or McLaren how found something in the wind tunnel that means lean and mean isnt the fastest

SCARBs said the curvature and the severe undercut under the nose was to provide front downforce. This year front downforce (and rear downforce) has been radically reduced. But McLaren's front appears to be there to provide extra downforce - which was not required last year. The Ferrari's lesser resistance front would not provide as downforce. And while we do not know yet who will be right, the cars themselves will likely not only look different come Melbourne. The cars will also be a lot different compared to what they are now come the first GP.

Who knows, maybe McLaren have left the driver where he was last year, but shifted the aero centre forward? With weight back, that might help in slower corner exit grip and traction. That might allow KERS to work earlier too. Who knows what this new formula will bring?

The McLaren has already been modified in two places: there's a piece of bodywork added in front of the barge boards and a modification has been made to the exhausts.

the exhausts were foreseeable

Here are some interesting pictures, that show the difference in exhaust outlet design, in comparison to the launch images and the tightness of the rear end:







Obi

damn that looks weird..
does anybody know why they are still testing the 08 rear wing? :\

looking at that bulky end I'm felling a bit unconfident about the new car

excellent!

the picture show that the new exhaust should incooporate hot air exits around it!

BTW the bottom of the nose's sidewall construction looks very very sharp. like a thin wall, or sharp edge. What kind of section does this nose have? Does the bottom of the nosed shaped in hollow geometry?

the difference between the launch car and this, is theyve changed the rear covers, clean lines but fat

EDIT

its actually the same exhaust/hot air outlet solution they used last year

Here's what I said in the tests thread.. only my guess, I could be very much wrong. It has to be pretty important though, I don't think they would mount 2008 wing on the car without a good reason.



Whoops... I don't think going back to Franenstein car means anything good for the team. It seems to me like something doesn't match up and they want to find what it is. Didn't Ron or Pedro said recently that the new data is 'interesting'? It looks like it meant 'pretty freaking far away from what we expected'.

i think the changed exhaust is due to the changed rear wing. they need to point the hot gases in a slightly different direction when running this wing, compared to the 09 one. i expect the exhaust to change back when the wing does

thanks for the pictures ... keep em coming

mclarem has a history of changing rear wings and has done so numerous times in the past, my quess, for comparison or to establish the difference from new to old,
Like some said in an earlier thread, move on nothing to see, no drama

From what I recall of Pedro's report after the shakedown, he stated that the car behaved exactly as their simulations predicted. I can only assume the simulations were positive about the design

And personally can't see what people are looking at when they say it's not a pretty car, I'm in love with it.

It could have been a quote from other team, I'm really having hard time with keeping with all the news up to date lately.

Are my eyes playing tricks on me or is Pedro driving without a HANS system?! I thought that would be mandatory...

I wouldn't take comments that serious though.. at least not yet. It's still early days and I have some vague memories about the early 2004 Mclaren. The team sounded really upbeat about their chances before the season started back then, yet in hindsight they simply must have known what the state of the car was like..

Nice looking car though

I am by no means a McLaren fan.... but this has to be the most beautifully swung side pod ever!
Ferrari is somehow crippled by its side pod shoulder crutches.... Their turning vanes destroy all the lines....

Ehm, do you have the right to post these here? There's the word premium in the address line... and shouldn't we stick to image sizes that don't go beyond John Doe's screen resolution?

Obi Offiah, great photos.

It really does look the business.

strange stuff in their frontwing ...

Like all the new cars, I find the MP-24 really interesting. It's fascinating to see how the teams have come up with different ideas for their cars. Anyway, the things I find most unique on the '24 are the front suspension and the sidepod design. However, I am by no means qualified to talk about how their differences to those of other teams are beneficial!

yep i dont understand the premium pic either, people can pay if they want them

Nothing strange just the number of them is unusual.

The car looks really good and it looks even better with the older rear wing.

I'd guess it's supposed to straight the flow of the air and therefore make the airflow around the wheels more predictable. A bit like withe the anvil wings.

The car looks beautiful on the track.

Most teams have had them for years (not that many though usually), it's just that you can see them a lot clearer now.

Thank you Obi Offiah.

The aerodynamics are so complex on that car.....I struggle to visualize in my mind this car travelling at speed and 'managing' the air in so many different ways. I get a headache.

Still, beautiful car. Perhaps thanks to the Renault.

Since seeing the most recent shots I think the car looks stunning.

Obi

It seems a pretty purposeful design, everything looks very integrated, I don't quite see why some are nervous about it.

Are they trying to get the air to flow over the rear wing with those "ramped" exhausts?

http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos-hires...4/diapo_163.jpg

Notice how high his knees are? They're almost either side of the steering column. Perhaps that's normal and they usually tucked away but to me that seems like a really high leg position.

how much taller is he than lewis and heikki? it does look odd.

Pedro 177 cm
Lewis 175 cm
Heikki 172 cm

wow almost like his knees are bent, looks abit uncomfortable, maybe they've got something hidden up front.

Think it's because the feet have to be behind all the suspension bits.