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mountford

Jul 24 2009, 16:21

Bond

Guizotia

Jul 24 2009, 16:23

QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jul 24 2009, 17:20)

http://www.mclaren.com/f1season/2009/hungary/index.php

Pretty positive sounding stuff. As per usual Norb sings the praises of the 'Hybrid,' which is getting a bit tiresome.

I think he needs to make the most out of it while it's still on the car.

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 16:46

Something's dodgy with the live timing. Lewis is 1.3 secs up on Rosberg in the first 2 sectors before Nico gains 0.4 in the final sector, yet Nico is 0.076 seconds behind?

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 16:49

QUOTE (Ham's Cranes Ltd @ Jul 24 2009, 15:30)

Heidfeld 1:22.690:

30.0 + 30.2 + 23.3 = 1:23.5

I found the problem in another thread. I wonder if the times in FP2 are correct at all, especially since the BBC stream wasn't showing if someone was quicker or slower than the fastest driver through the sectors.

Enkei

Jul 24 2009, 16:50

QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jul 24 2009, 18:46)

Something's dodgy with the live timing. Lewis is 1.3 secs up on Rosberg in the first 2 sectors before Nico gains 0.4 in the final sector, yet Nico is 0.076 seconds behind?

It could just be a bug. The live timing is full of it.
I've seen drivers listed twice on it numerous times, forcing me to refresh the page.

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 16:52

QUOTE (Enkei @ Jul 24 2009, 17:50)

It could just be a bug. The live timing is full of it.
I've seen drivers listed twice on it numerous times, forcing me to refresh the page.

Yeah I thought that but the BBC stream wasn't getting sector comparisons and I just wonder if the timing was wrong throughout FP2. Don't the teams use the same live timing system?

H0R

Jul 24 2009, 16:53

The final standings show the drivers' best sector times, not the sector times of their fastest laps.

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 16:54

QUOTE (H0R @ Jul 24 2009, 17:53)

The final standings show the drivers' best sector times, not the sector times of their fastest laps.

So Rosberg would go slower with his best sector times?

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 17:06

Norb said this in the Press Conference:

"Yes, so far I am not quite sure whether the timing is right but I hope it is. Then we
have a big advantage in the first sector. The times were a little bit all over the place and I am not quite sure if the split times are the correct ones."

Pharazon

Jul 24 2009, 17:20

live timing was screwed for all of FP2

sreevishnu

Jul 24 2009, 17:22

QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jul 24 2009, 22:46)

Something's dodgy with the live timing. Lewis is 1.3 secs up on Rosberg in the first 2 sectors before Nico gains 0.4 in the final sector, yet Nico is 0.076 seconds behind?

No, You dont understand it ....thats why. There is nothing dodgy with the live timings

That sector times are a drivers Best sector times ..........that sector times are not from their best lap
each sector is their personal bests from different laps.

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 17:24

QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jul 24 2009, 18:06)

Norb said this in the Press Conference:

"Yes, so far I am not quite sure whether the timing is right but I hope it is. Then we have a big advantage in the first sector. The times were a little bit all over the place and I am not quite sure if the split times are the correct ones."

I guess me and Norb don't get it then...

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 17:28

QUOTE (sreevishnu @ Jul 24 2009, 18:22)

Also, that should mean Rosberg's sector times should add up to his lap or be quicker not 0.7 secs slower.

sreevishnu

Jul 24 2009, 17:35

QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jul 24 2009, 23:28)

Also, that should mean Rosberg's sector times should add up to his lap or be quicker not 0.7 secs slower.

Yeah i think you are right,

but what i said i correct.....but here its completely wrong, isnt it?

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 17:45

QUOTE (sreevishnu @ Jul 24 2009, 18:35)

Yeah i think you are right,

but what i said i correct.....but here its completely wrong, isnt it?

It just means the results of FP2 are even more confusing. At first I didn't suspect anything as the sector times are the best sector times set by the driver throughout that session, but then I saw Rosberg's best sector times and Heidfeld's and became very confused.

TheArmchairCritic

Jul 24 2009, 18:47

James Allen in his ITV column:

"McLaren have been taking delivery of boxes of new parts all night and all morning. They carried out a straight-line aerodynamic test recently and have shipped new front wings and other parts out as a result. The car looks very nimble, changing direction beautifully. As Mark Webber observed: 'Thank God they started their season now and not at Melbourne.'"

Is he referring to actual new parts or Nuburgring spec parts for Heikki? The Front Wing didn't seem very different.

TinyJim

Jul 24 2009, 19:17

Am I right in think McLaren have done the impossible and....

...polished a turd

teejay

Jul 24 2009, 19:17

So have we gone from Justice is lurking to Justice is ready to pounce?

Great day considering the season.

hunnylander

Jul 24 2009, 19:26

QUOTE (teejay @ Jul 24 2009, 21:17)

So have we gone from Justice is lurking to Justice is ready to pounce?

Great day considering the season.

According to Lewis and Haug we're 4-5 tenths off the pace of the best. I hope they mistake and overestimate the opponents and we're closer. And there's the KERS advantage... hmm, I'm hopeful.

TinyJim

Jul 24 2009, 19:29

QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jul 24 2009, 20:26)

According to Lewis and Haug we're 4-5 tenths off the pace of the best. I hope they mistake and overestimate the opponents and we're closer. And there's the KERS advantage... hmm, I'm hopeful.

They probably are a tad closer and just trying to force Brawn and RBR to run heavier in quali so they can snatch a front row.

mountford

Jul 24 2009, 20:01

QUOTE (TinyJim @ Jul 24 2009, 20:17)

Am I right in think McLaren have done the impossible and....

...polished a turd

No shit...

!!!!

bond

Jul 24 2009, 20:07

Heikki rear wing.
http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos-hires...g/diapo_678.jpg

hunnylander

Jul 24 2009, 20:53

Isn't that too brave over that high curb? These were made to be avoided.

salamin

Jul 24 2009, 21:01

QUOTE (hunnylander @ Jul 24 2009, 21:53)

Isn't that too brave over that high curb? These were made to be avoided.

2 wheels on track - it's ok

hunnylander

Jul 24 2009, 21:16

QUOTE (salamin @ Jul 24 2009, 23:01)

2 wheels on track - it's ok

Yeah, that's OK, I meant this: http://premium.f1-live.com/f1/photos-hires...g/diapo_181.jpg

These high curbs were made to be avoided. Not because of good will, because of their car-stressing dangerous height.

bond

Jul 24 2009, 23:24

http://images.gpupdate.net/large/132907.jpg
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vsubravet

Jul 25 2009, 04:01

QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jul 24 2009, 21:39)

That's probably why Lewis was so twitchy. He's trying to get on the power early, like the Brawns and Red Bull's, even though the car isn't quite good enough(it's improved vastly don't get me wrong). I expect him to settle down tomorrow and with KERS, a bit of luck, and Red Bull tyre management problems we could get a podium. However I would be very happy to have both cars in the top 6 come the chequered flag on Sunday.

To all the guys back at Woking, we've gone from 2.5 secs off the pace to roughly 0.5 secs off, maybe even less. Well done guys!

Excellent fight back from the team though I wish they had started the season with this pace. However, it once again reinforces the view that McLaren are one team whose development rate over a season is awesome. 2004 and 2009 being the standout years in this regard. What makes this year even more awesome is the development bringing the pace to the car without the assistance of on-track testing. That Simulator they have at the MTC must be gold, eh? Let's hope the team chalk up a win before the season is through and we could carry over the philosophy to the MP4-25. Good luck to the team and the drivers. And please don't sign Rosberg.

femi

Jul 25 2009, 07:45

QUOTE (TheArmchairCritic @ Jul 24 2009, 18:28)

Also, that should mean Rosberg's sector times should add up to his lap or be quicker not 0.7 secs slower.

I think there were some issues with the displayed sector times but the total lap times were OK

f1rules

Jul 25 2009, 08:24

so were are the critics in here that said, its not possible to gain .5 of a sec. its obvious we gained a lot more. But off course with the extra rear end stability comes better use of tires, and the drivers get more confidence. Congrat to Mclaren for doing a good job. To be honest i didnt think they were gonna turn things around. Now hopefully theyll have a direction for next year, also. Another good thing is. This definitely helps when we need to sign a new driver. That we can get on top of problems and solve them. And the paddock knows Mclaren doesnt produce a turd two years in a row so. Hopefully a good sec driver next year.

maverick69

Jul 25 2009, 09:14

New front wing for Hamilton. Just finished last night apparently.....

bogi

Jul 25 2009, 09:26

Any pics?

Roger_Chef

Jul 25 2009, 09:29

QUOTE (f1rules @ Jul 25 2009, 09:24)

Whats wrong with good ole kovi?

ItisI

Jul 25 2009, 09:54

Holy sh!t .. Lewis clocking a 1:21:5!

ItisI

Jul 25 2009, 09:56

Unbelievable, opening S1 with 29:00

H0R

Jul 25 2009, 10:01

Ok, yet another positive result. Slowly I am getting cautiously optimistic for a points result come sunday.

hunnylander

Jul 25 2009, 10:02

1:21.009

Lewis = untouchable (?)

f1rules

Jul 25 2009, 10:02

great practice, sorry kovi lost the backend in the last corner or he would have been closer to hami

Anomnader

Jul 25 2009, 10:09

pity they couldn't have found this update a few months back - brawn and red bull would really have being quaking then.

Come on Lewis, show them what McLaren can do

mountford

Jul 25 2009, 10:11

At the start of the year I was quite happy Hamilton didn't have a competitive car.

Well, not happy, it was just nice not to worry about Hamilton as much after 2007 and 2008!!

That quickly changed after a few races

I hope Vettel gets P1 and Hamilton gets P2 or P3. I want to the Baby Schui's (

) face in the press conference.

ItisI

Jul 25 2009, 10:12

QUOTE (Anomnader @ Jul 25 2009, 10:09)

pity they couldn't have found this update a few months back - brawn and red bull would really have being quaking then.

Come on Lewis, show them what McLaren can do

Webber already noted during a interview that he is happy McLaren found its form here, and not in Melbourne.

femi

Jul 25 2009, 10:21

QUOTE (f1rules @ Jul 25 2009, 10:02)

great practice, sorry kovi lost the backend in the last corner or he would have been closer to hami

Couldn't watch the sessions, the tyres, how did they look?

The Polemic

Jul 25 2009, 10:22

QUOTE (The Polemic @ Jul 22 2009, 11:56)

Guess you'll re-reckon after 3 free practices.
Let's wait and see.

Did?

dabrasco

Jul 25 2009, 10:30

QUOTE (TinyJim @ Jul 24 2009, 20:17)

Am I right in think McLaren have done the impossible and....

...polished a turd

you are quite right, still not the fastest car... but they indeed super polished that turd

you just have to go back several pages, especially after Silverstone with Lewis almost getting lapped b4 the first pitstops, I finally lost hope of seeing us near the front for the rest of this season.

But I think this practice sessions are showin that we are indeed back in the top 10.

Watching Lewis throw around our 'Justice enhanced gold plated "turd"' at the end of FP3 reminded me of the good old days. Car under Hamilton still a bit twitchy, but quite fast...

The Merc has always seemed twitchy under him anyway, key point is he seems to be enjoyin himself in the car now. If both cars can qualify in the top 8 ahead of the other kers cars...Ferraris, then both should score points.

klyster

Jul 25 2009, 10:33

QUOTE (femi @ Jul 25 2009, 11:21)

Couldn't watch the sessions, the tyres, how did they look?

They looked fine, with the exception of the flatspot ;)

But overall, the wear looked pretty even, but that's only what I saw on the telly......they were the options tyres too..

mountford

Jul 25 2009, 10:35

QUOTE (ItisI @ Jul 25 2009, 11:12)

Webber already noted during a interview that he is happy McLaren found its form here, and not in Melbourne.

Webber

Despite both McLarens looking good , Webber has to be a favourite for the win come Sunday.

He been doing little interviews telling everyone that:

1. Winning his first GP has given him a mental boost - http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/77236

2. He feels much better since his terminator leg has been fixed.

Let the mind games begin.................

f1rules

Jul 25 2009, 10:36

QUOTE (femi @ Jul 25 2009, 10:21)

Couldn't watch the sessions, the tyres, how did they look?

yes they actually looked ok, and both drivers were able do consistent times. Hami must get into top4. Heiki, well, top 10 i quess
I couldnt see anything new on hamis frontwing

femi

Jul 25 2009, 10:37

QUOTE (klyster @ Jul 25 2009, 10:33)

They looked fine, with the exception of the flatspot ;)

But overall, the wear looked pretty even, but that's only what I saw on the telly......they were the options tyres too..

Thx. If their tyres olds up as the front runners, then they should be quick in the race as well.

femi

Jul 25 2009, 10:37

QUOTE (f1rules @ Jul 25 2009, 10:36)

yes they actually looked ok, and both drivers were able do consistent times. Hami must get into top4. Heiki, well, top 10 i quess
I couldnt see anything new on hamis frontwing

Thanks.

mountford

Jul 25 2009, 10:38

QUOTE (f1rules @ Jul 25 2009, 11:36)

I couldnt see anything new on hamis frontwing

You couldn't see the justice?

Andy35

Jul 25 2009, 10:38

I'm going to guess 2 Macs will be leading into the first turn.

It's a long run to the first turn and they should both be Kersing the opposition. If they have no strategy errors or mistakes it could well be a 1-2 tomorrow which will be interesting in the overall scheme of things and perhaps help their old nemesis Mr Brawn.

As a neutral it will still be nice to see either driver up there again doing well.

If Ferrari can get up there it might be battle of the KERS which is also interesting to the geek within us all.

Regards

Andy

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