Hello everyone....

Been off this forum for a few years, and wonder if anyone can assist to help me with information on a Formula 2 racer built in England in 1952 by Horace A. Richards known as the H.A.R-Riley. I understand the car would have used a front engine Riley 15/6 built to 2.0 liter F2 specs, with Wilson pre-selector gearbox, and 6 Amal pre-mono block carbs.

I'm trying to find any photos and details of this racecar...
***anything will help...

This photograph taken at Turnberry in 1951 shows Horace Richards, nearest the camera, in his HAR-Riley. In front of him is Manduca with his Alta.

Hello Graham...(it's been a while...how are you?)

That's an interesting photo?
I always thought the H.A.R. Riley was built in 1952 not 1951. I understand the first outing for this F2 racer was at Goodwood 1952 Lavant Cup...I think he built 5 chassis.

MOTORSPORT RESORT

The HAR now resides in Brooklands Museum in Weybridge and has done for several years. The car is heavily modified from its original spec. It now has a 3.4 litre Jaguar engine and has been rebodied in a sort of generic late 1950s style. The rear suspension, which was originally wishbone and torsion bar (and interchangeable with the front suspension ) has been replaced by a de Dion rear end with coil spring/damper units. As far as I can remember it also has inboard rear brakes. It is now painted red instead of the original blue. The main chassis frame and front suspension look to be original; a good source of info about the original version of the car can be found in the Autocar issue of 28 March 1952 where there is a full page description and several photos. There is also a photo in Formula 2 by Gregor Grant on page 112 and some info in Grand prix Cars 1945-65 by Mike Lawrence on pages 162-3.

I think there have been previous posts on TNF - probably worth a BB Search.

Hope this helps

Neil

As Jenks put it-

"A nicely made and well-proportioned car, the H.A.R. was not very fast, Richards being quite content to drive quietly round at the end of the field, enjoying himself regardless of the rest of the competitors."

Coys sold a sportsracing HAR a couple of years ago, built by a friend of H Richards in Scotland, based on an F2 chassis and fitted with a Daimler V8 and a Cotal .

It was previously owned by John Guyatt, who bought it from the guy who built it. Not sure who has it now though.

It was a hoot to drive!

I understand that Horace A. Richards a engineer specialising in Riley engines built 5 Formula 2 chassis in the early 1950's, one was used to build the 2 seat sportscar with the Daimler V8. I wonder where the other 3 chassis went to?
Does any one have any more photos of this F2 H.A.R. in it's early days?
I also hear that Horace A. Richards might have made a rear engined Formula Junior with again a Riley engine. Not too sure that information is 100% correct?

When I was writing the catalogue description for the sportscar, I met Dennis Ramsey, the scottish enthusiast who built it, and from what I recall, the other cars had a Riley, an ERA (riley based) and one had a Gypsy Moth engine (!) I think this car was planned for use in the Brighton speed trials.


Doesn't Julian Mazjub own one of the F2 cars? or is that the car at Brooklands?

will see if I can find any pics of the sportscar, or any other info

Paul Chudeki did a track test in the car - perhaps for Octane?

Amazing what you find using google - here is a link to the description of the sportscar.

I had forgotten that one of the chassis was fitted with a Bugatti engine - Dennis couldn't recall what type though.

hope it helps.

http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classi....php/carno/4053

no luck on photos at the moment I'm afraid.

Issue 12, June '04. Again, on the sportscar, but it might be of some use.

and here is a link to earlier discussions on HARs (found using the search BB function at the top of the page)

http://forums.autosport.com/showthread.php...9&highlight=HAR

Is this the car that was the HAR Riley ? Pic taken at Mallala SA in 1983, it was in Australia in the seventies and eighties and was at the time thought to be a HWM but later this proved to be incorrect.

http://www.tops.co.nz/CARS/undated/malloryc.jpg

Found this photo dated as Mallory Park 6th August 1956, and the car behind is Horace Richards' HAR Riley. The nose looks totally different than the red car...

I have a few period shots available. give me a call or E Mail .

I think that the car under discussion here is with a collection in the "Midlands" and has been for a long time. The owner has bought a few photos from me in recent years

The car in Dick Wills' excellent photo seems to be the car which now resides in Brooklands Museum, complete with revised rear suspension and, judging from the exhausts, a Jaguar engine. The nose however looks a little different, but I'm sure it's the same car.

Neil

reading the Octane article last night, according to Dennis Ramsey, one of the cars was fitted with a 3.4 litre Jaguar engine, so that would make sense.

So, by my reconning that is Jaguar, Riley, Bugatti (3.3 litre - type 57?)Tiger Moth and Daimler engines fitted to the 5 cars, with one of them subsequently fitted with an ERA engine.

Hi Mistron...
I think you would have to count the Jaguar 3.8 and Riley 2.0 as one car. I did hear that the Bugatti version was built in the persons living room and they had to knock down walls to get it out.
That F2 / H.A.R was sold to a Bugatti enthusiast just for the engine, and the car is now in bits in some lock-up garage. I don't think it ever raced?
I wonder what 2.0 liter Bugatti engine it was?, as it would have been unsupercharged to meet the F2 regs...

I remember seeing the original F2 HAR taking part in a Riley parade at a VSCC Silverstone meeting in the 1970s. It was owned at the time by Colin Clifford who was heavily into Riley V8s (and Autovias) at the time, and raced his self built C.C.S. The HAR was painted dark red and looked exactly as it did in its heyday so I suggest the Jaguar engined car is another chassis.

The Jaguar engined single seater in Dick Wills's post is to the best of my knowledge an Australian built car which I think I'm correct in saying found its way into the Donington Collection but was sold off with some of their surplus cars several years back.

Australian modified rather than Australian-built
It was in fact one of the original HARs which became Bertie Bradnack's Woden and later one of Jim Berry's ERA Specials. It was subsequently bought by a visiting Australian who took it home and, believing it to be an HWM, modified the bodywork to reflect his view. By this time it had a Jaguar engine and was raced in Australia as an HWM-Jaguar.
It did get to Donington, and I believe you're right in saying it's been sold on

Thanks David. I had no idea it was one of Jim Berry's ERA Specials (I assumed there was only one) and often wondered what happened to it, or them.

Hello David,

When you mention that it started life as one of the H.A.R Formula 2 racers, are you referring to a H.A.R. that Horace built originally with a Riley 2.0 liter engine?

I thought he only built one car for himself and sold off the other 4 chassis...
Did he build more than one car?

Interesting how these threads can go in different directions...one minute you think it was a backyard special made in Australia with a Jaguar lump installed, then it's a original F2 car built by the designer...

Sorry not to make myself clear, MR
As I understand it, Richards built an HAR for himself and a replica (or perhaps a kit of parts) for Bradnack
The only other HAR I know about is the later sportscar, originally with Daimler V8 engine and Swallow Doretti body, and subsequently owned - as mentioned above - by John Guyatt

Thanks David for your background on the car ex Aust, as you know there was a lot of conjecture regarding its origin during its stay here and in fact it may never have been granted an Australian log book.

Ted is correct.....the original car is in a private collection.
The red car pictured is all together another car, and a third HAR was Bugatti engined, built by Stubberfield in his living room, with bodywork from Alta GP1 and did race and sprint in the 1950s.

DRW.

Given that Horace Richards entered a number of decent non-title events, is there any reason why he didn't enter the British GP? Or did he try?

In our book "The Jaguar XK in Australia elmgreen and mcgrath pub 1985 we have a sort of history of the red car pictured in this thread.
The history was always a little confused pre 1970 but we note that the australian car was probably purchased from richard smith of Brighton by Gavin Sandford-Morgan in october 1970. It did have a jaguar engine fitted with XK150 head V1620-8
It is also listed in john Blandens book historic race cars in australia
terry

Hi folks, i have not had a look on the forum for some time but i was pleasantly surprised to find this thread.
Especially the pic posted by David Willis of the car at Mallala as it is one i have not seen before. A lot of info about the car has been posted so i will add to it.
In '84 the car was purchased from the museum by Noel Roscrow, the motor was changed to a 3.8 xk unit as the orig. 3.4 was very tired. this was done in '84 and the car was run in various events around the country until '88 when it underwent a 2 year restoration which included the making of a new body and grille , similar but slightly different to the original.
This is how the car was when in the Donnington collection, new body, 3.8 motor etc. The car has finished up back in australia.
What happenned to the old body and other parts ?...i am pleased to say they have survived !, in fact of the car in David's pic the complete body(grille,firewall,floor,underpan,aeroscreen),3.4 motor and weber manifold,engine plate are owned by me luckily enough. I have since chased up an ENV 110 box for it as well so if anyone out there has a lagonda de-dion rear with inboard drums ?
I have contacted a number of you privately over the last few months and i thankyou for your replies and info.

cheers for now larry

Hi Larry

very interesting message re the HAR .

As I mentioned in a couple of earlier posts in the thread, the car in Dick Willis' photo is currently in the Brooklands Museum in Weybridge UK and has been for a number of years. I can't post photos, but please check the following:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:@Brooklands_Museum_(1).JPG
the car behind the Brooklands Riley is the HAR, and

http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2598122770059386103clPbyE

The information at the museum is that it is owned by Frank Moore of Kenmore, Queensland and is lent by Nick Cookson.

Your comments:

"The car has finished up back in australia.
What happenned to the old body and other parts ?...i am pleased to say they have survived !, in fact of the car in David's pic the complete body(grille,firewall,floor,underpan,aeroscreen),3.4 motor and weber manifold,engine plate are owned by me luckily enough."

appear to indicate that you have a spare set of bodywork (which probably accounts for the very slightly different nose shapes between the car in Dick's photo and the car at Brooklands), the original motor and Weber manifold - looks like the Webers themselves were put on the second 3.8 engine which the Brooklands car has - see the second picture above.

Great to learn a little more about this car

cheers

Neil

cheers for that Neil , i was aware that frank moore owned the car but thought it was back in oz with his collection....i stand corrected !
As for the body , well it is the original one from when the car was first built , although somewhat modified in the nose and tail sections which were altered in '70 / '71 by elfin race cars.
Any clues as to who may have made the body originally ?

larry