QUOTE (giacomo @ Jul 12 2009, 16:02) 
Says the fanboy who re-defined that term back in Monza 2007. 
You lost me here trollboy
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QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:06)
Thats what Kimi said.At first it worked fine with reduced revs,but after pitstops got worse and worse.I think Sutil incident didnt help.
That would only prove RodrigoL's claim utterly false.
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Jul 12 2009, 16:06)
Thats what Kimi said.At first it worked fine with reduced revs,but after pitstops got worse and worse.I think Sutil incident didnt help.
How many kms on that engine? Is Massa due a retirement at the next race or just a one-off?
QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Jul 12 2009, 16:08)
That would only prove RodrigoL's claim utterly false.
Weren't you watching live timing. Fool.
QUOTE (klover @ Jul 12 2009, 10:27)
That's not true. Kimi did a couple of much faster laps AFTER Vettel went into the pits. Other than that, the gap between them in the first stint was pretty stable and if anyone was saving fuel and tyres, it was Kimi who didn't have to look in his mirrors.
couple of laps do not win races... they are about 60 to 70 in average.
QUOTE (speedmaster @ Jul 12 2009, 16:12)
couple of laps do not win races... they are about 60 to 70 in average.
Huh, where did I say it was a couple of laps win the race? That's not what we were talking about but never mind, you must be drunk with joy about Massa's first podium.
Another weekend, another disappointment. The ninth of the season, if I'm not mistaken. Only eight more to go.
Congrats to Felipe and his fans. It's good that at least someone's having fun.
Congrats to Felipe and his fans. It's good that at least someone's having fun.
QUOTE (kismet @ Jul 12 2009, 18:29)
Another weekend, another disappointment. Nine down, eight to go.
You can celebrate then
QUOTE (kismet @ Jul 12 2009, 18:29)
Another weekend, another disappointment. Nine down, eight to go.
At least Kimi was faster than Felipe in the first stint, again. Then team made a strategy choice which preferred Massa. Then Kimi's car broke.
Yes, and I don't care. It's still disappointing.
QUOTE (micra_k10 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:31)
At least Kimi was faster than Felipe in the first stint, again. Then team made a strategy choice which preferred Massa. Then Kimi's car broke.
And during all that happenings Massa was ahead of Raikkonen, again.
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jul 12 2009, 17:10)
Weren't you watching live timing. Fool.
I have three, yes THREE (3) computers beside me when watching racing, so yeah
I watch live-timing, vehemently. If Kimi, with a broken engine is a second faster than Massa, it's not because Kimi is the God of racing or that Kimi has a broken engine, it's because of something else, and I can pretty much guarantee you that!
QUOTE (giacomo @ Jul 12 2009, 18:33)
And during all that happenings Massa was ahead of Raikkonen, again.
With a broken car,but i dont expect you to acknowledge it.With a healthy car Massa was 1 sec ahead.Amazing driving!
QUOTE (micra_k10 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:31)
At least Kimi was faster than Felipe in the first stint, again.
With a broken engine, again. Really, do you people actually read what you post?
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:36)
With a broken car,but i dont expect you to acknowledge it.With a healthy car Massa was 1 sec ahead.Amazing driving! ;)
Then the talk about Kimi's engine being broken is extraordinary exaggerated. Seriously, Kimi is not that much faster, if at all than Massa, and here he suddenly is, with a broken engine? Don't you guys see that something is amiss here?
So you want someone else than Kimis word?
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:36)
With a broken car,but i dont expect you to acknowledge it.With a healthy car Massa was 1 sec ahead.Amazing driving! ;)
This is no dig against you, but I heard waaay too many faked hot air KR fanboy excuses during the last 2 1/2 years to believe anything that is not backed up by direct and precise insider quotes.
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:43)
So you want someone else than Kimis word?
I did not hear Kimis word, and I did not see any verified Kimi quotes here.
How the hell is giacomos post after mine,when i responded to it? weird 
QUOTE (giacomo @ Jul 12 2009, 18:45)
I did not hear Kimis word, and I did not see any verified Kimi quotes here.
QUOTE
Raikkonen frustrated by problems
By Jamie O'Leary Sunday, July 12th 2009, 14:32 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, German GPFerrari driver Kimi Raikkonen was disappointed to suffer his third mechanically-induced retirement of the season at the German Grand Prix at the Nurburgring.
After starting ninth, the former world champion ran comfortably in the points all afternoon before retiring on lap 36 with an engine problem.
"I don't know exactly [what the problem was], but it was some issue with the engine," Raikkonen told BBC TV. "I had a loss of power and then I had to stop because the engine would have broken down anyway. It's a shame."
Prior to his retirement, Raikkonen was involved in a controversial incident with Force India driver Adrian Sutil at the first corner, which the race stewards announced they would investigate after the race.
As the impressive Sutil left the pitlane, Raikkonen attempted to go around the outside of the German, but made contact with his rival, breaking his rival's front wing and dropping the former down the order to 15th by the finish.
Raikkonen denied any wrongdoing though, calling it a racing incident.
"I don't think it was anybody's fault," he added. "It was just a normal racing incident. Unfortunately we touched, but I don't know what I can do, because I was on the outside and cannot see everything in this situation."
By Jamie O'Leary Sunday, July 12th 2009, 14:32 GMT
Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, German GPFerrari driver Kimi Raikkonen was disappointed to suffer his third mechanically-induced retirement of the season at the German Grand Prix at the Nurburgring.
After starting ninth, the former world champion ran comfortably in the points all afternoon before retiring on lap 36 with an engine problem.
"I don't know exactly [what the problem was], but it was some issue with the engine," Raikkonen told BBC TV. "I had a loss of power and then I had to stop because the engine would have broken down anyway. It's a shame."
Prior to his retirement, Raikkonen was involved in a controversial incident with Force India driver Adrian Sutil at the first corner, which the race stewards announced they would investigate after the race.
As the impressive Sutil left the pitlane, Raikkonen attempted to go around the outside of the German, but made contact with his rival, breaking his rival's front wing and dropping the former down the order to 15th by the finish.
Raikkonen denied any wrongdoing though, calling it a racing incident.
"I don't think it was anybody's fault," he added. "It was just a normal racing incident. Unfortunately we touched, but I don't know what I can do, because I was on the outside and cannot see everything in this situation."
I saw that article, and nowhere in this article KR says that his car was broken or unhealthy from the beginning.
QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:43)
So you want someone else than Kimis word?
I don't want anyone's 'words', If Kimi said his engine was consistently losing power, that's what he said. But hopefully even you can see that there are some serious inconsistencies with what you guys (Kimi fans) are claiming. Kimi is not a second faster than Massa even with a healthy engine, so there's only a snowball's chance in hell he would with a broken one. I just wish you guys stick to a single argument here; either Kimi was faster than Massa but then I don't believe for a second that Kimi's engine was broken, or that Kimi's engine was indeed broken, but then he was not faster than Massa.
QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Jul 12 2009, 16:35)
I have three, yes THREE (3) computers beside me when watching racing, so yeah I watch live-timing, vehemently. If Kimi, with a broken engine is a second faster than Massa, it's not because Kimi is the God of racing or that Kimi has a broken engine, it's because of something else, and I can pretty much guarantee you that!
I watch live-timing, vehemently. If Kimi, with a broken engine is a second faster than Massa, it's not because Kimi is the God of racing or that Kimi has a broken engine, it's because of something else, and I can pretty much guarantee you that!How is that related to 'my claims' in any way?
Here are the lap times:
KR
21 1:37.292<--Vettel pits at the end of this lap, after holding up Kimi
22 1:36.616
23 1:36.983
FM
21 1:37.200
22 1:37.412
23 1:37.739
QUOTE (giacomo @ Jul 12 2009, 18:50)
I saw that article, and nowhere in this article KR says that his car was broken or unhealthy from the beginning.
Well i think you dont understand Finnish,so thats the best i can do now.To them he said he had to reduce revs right from beginning.
What do we have here again. Fanboys selectively picking a handful of las to demostrate some how kimi was faster than massa in this race..? Give me a break..
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Jul 12 2009, 19:07)
What do we have here again. Fanboys selectively picking a handful of las to demostrate some how kimi was faster than massa in this race..? Give me a break..
No,just proving that Massa wasnt amazingly superior.Massa was better,FOR SURE!
5 Felipe Massa Brazilian Ferrari 22
10 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Ferrari 10
http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2009/
QUOTE (BMW_F1 @ Jul 12 2009, 17:07)
What do we have here again. Fanboys selectively picking a handful of las to demostrate some how kimi was faster than massa in this race..? Give me a break..
I would love for you to point out the post in which I said "Kimi was faster in this race". Go on...I'm waiting
And BTW, please stop jumping in and out of this topic. Your fellow JPM lover, VresiBerba, was refusing to believe that Kimi went 0.8s than Felipe in a few laps, which is why I selected those laptimes.
QUOTE (saudoso @ Jul 12 2009, 19:09)
5 Felipe Massa Brazilian Ferrari 22
10 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Ferrari 10
http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2009/
10 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish Ferrari 10
http://www.formula1.com/results/driver/2009/
You should know those points mean nothing in "Bizarro world"
That is what i call this thread.QUOTE (mursuka80 @ Jul 12 2009, 13:11)
You should know those points mean nothing in "Bizarro world" That is what i call this thread.
That is what i call this thread.I just thought I should post it since KR does not show up on the short front page lists on web sites. People might not be aware of it.
QUOTE (saudoso @ Jul 12 2009, 19:14)
I just thought I should post it since KR does not show up on the short front page lists on web sites. People might not be aware of it.
Really? Thats why you posted it?
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jul 12 2009, 15:55)
How is that related to 'my claims' in any way?
Here are the lap times:
KR
21 1:37.292<--Vettel pits at the end of this lap, after holding up Kimi
22 1:36.616
23 1:36.983
FM
21 1:37.200
22 1:37.412
23 1:37.739
Here are the lap times:
KR
21 1:37.292<--Vettel pits at the end of this lap, after holding up Kimi
22 1:36.616
23 1:36.983
FM
21 1:37.200
22 1:37.412
23 1:37.739
These lap times show that Kimi perhaps saved his tyres better. Both Massa and Kimi were doing 1:36s in the opening laps, then dropped into the 1:37s, and only when Kimi got some space after Vettel went into the pits was he able to dip under 1:37 again but he was still slower than both Ferrari drivers were in the opening laps. It's a pity that the contact with Sutil and the technical problem denied us a comparison during the 2nd stint.
QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Jul 12 2009, 16:54)
I don't want anyone's 'words', If Kimi said his engine was consistently losing power, that's what he said. But hopefully even you can see that there are some serious inconsistencies with what you guys (Kimi fans) are claiming. Kimi is not a second faster than Massa even with a healthy engine, so there's only a snowball's chance in hell he would with a broken one. I just wish you guys stick to a single argument here; either Kimi was faster than Massa but then I don't believe for a second that Kimi's engine was broken, or that Kimi's engine was indeed broken, but then he was not faster than Massa.
I agree. If Kimi was that much faster than Massa, there must be a reason for it - Massa might have been in traffic, his tyres might have been blistered, he was too busy defending, who knows. One thing is certain - neither Kimi, nor Massa is 1 sec faster than his teammate with similar fuel loads and 100% healthy car.
QUOTE (saudoso @ Jul 12 2009, 16:14)
I just thought I should post it since KR does not show up on the short front page lists on web sites. People might not be aware of it.
That's signature material.
QUOTE (cardin @ Jul 12 2009, 16:40)
That's signature material.
Ah, gloating Massa fans, enjoy while it lasts
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jul 12 2009, 17:55)
How is that related to 'my claims' in any way?
Here are the lap times:
KR
21 1:37.292<--Vettel pits at the end of this lap, after holding up Kimi
22 1:36.616
23 1:36.983
FM
21 1:37.200
22 1:37.412
23 1:37.739
Here are the lap times:
KR
21 1:37.292<--Vettel pits at the end of this lap, after holding up Kimi
22 1:36.616
23 1:36.983
FM
21 1:37.200
22 1:37.412
23 1:37.739
Okay, it's final then; Kimi IS a second faster, with a broken engine, than Massa!!11!11!11111
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jul 12 2009, 18:09)
Your fellow JPM lover, VresiBerba, was refusing to believe that Kimi went 0.8s than Felipe in a few laps, which is why I selected those laptimes.
Don't be stupid now, I never refuted that Kimi could have been faster than Massa over some selective laps, I however said that if he was, with a broken engine according to Kimi, there had to be a reason other than Kimi being faster... by merit.
QUOTE (speedmaster @ Apr 27 2009, 01:23)
At this Ferrari's stage be in a better position than the teammate is nothing else than luck... we must wait for Ferrari to get back to its old self to begin to check how they will fare against each other....
This is also signature material from times when Kimi had more points than Felipe.
Nowadays this very same speedmaster is gloating with overjoy.
But I agree, its all luck. In Turkey, Silverstone, Nurburgring I didnt see anything in Felipes performances that KImi couldnt match, but Kimi scores just one point :mad:in three races due to his renown bad luck.
QUOTE (abc @ Jul 12 2009, 19:30)
But I agree, its all luck. In Turkey, Silverstone, Nurburgring I didnt see anything in Felipes performances that KImi couldnt match, but Kimi scores just one point due to his renown bad luck.
I assume Kimis WDC was just good luck as well then, because in 2007 I didn't see anything in his performances that Felipe couldn't match.
QUOTE (abc @ Jul 12 2009, 17:30)
This is also signature material from times when Kimi had more points than Felipe.
Nowadays this very same speedmaster is gloating with overjoy.
But I agree, its all luck. In Turkey, Silverstone, Nurburgring I didnt see anything in Felipes performances that KImi couldnt match, but Kimi scores just one point :mad:in three races due to his renown bad luck.
Nowadays this very same speedmaster is gloating with overjoy.
But I agree, its all luck. In Turkey, Silverstone, Nurburgring I didnt see anything in Felipes performances that KImi couldnt match, but Kimi scores just one point :mad:in three races due to his renown bad luck.
Until Felipe was behind, it was luck. Now that he is ahead, it is called "on merit". Works both ways btw
QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Jul 12 2009, 18:27)
Don't be stupid now, I never refuted that Kimi could have been faster than Massa over some selective laps, I however said that if he was, with a broken engine according to Kimi, there had to be a reason other than Kimi being faster... by merit.
You're the one acting stupid.
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jul 12 2009, 14:46)
This prevented him from getting in front of Massa (after lapping 0.8s quicker for a few laps)...
I stated that Kimi was 0.8s quicker for a few laps(having forgotten the exact number), which is a fact, and made no references as to why this happened.
You then claimed that Kimi's alleged engine problems proved my "claim utterly false"...
QUOTE (giacomo @ Jul 12 2009, 19:33)
I assume Kimis WDC was just good luck as well then, because in 2007 I didn't see anything in his performances that Felipe couldn't match.
Nope, Kimi was faster when they were head to head in 2007.
In last three races it wasnt head to head at all. Kimi was stuck 2 stints in Turkey, all race in Silverstone and had only 2 free laps today.
But this race goes to Felipe, \i wrote yesterday I was impressed by him in Q and he was very good from the line today.
Still bad luck for KImi, he could be easily 4th, dont you think?
Raikkonen has a really tough luck at this track. Especially in the odd years. Engine failures all the time.
QUOTE (GiancarloF1 @ Jul 12 2009, 20:43)
Raikkonen has a really tough luck at this track. Especially in the odd years. Engine failures all the time.
One year,i think it was 2003 Kimi said like our one Javelin thrower used to say "Germany is a shit country"
If you are not Finnish you dont get it.QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jul 12 2009, 19:42)
You're the one acting stupid.
I yield, your post was actually about passing Massa and not about speed.
QUOTE (VresiBerba @ Jul 12 2009, 18:52)
I yield, your post was actually about passing Massa and not about speed.
Another day, another defeated JPM fan.
Can I get a cookie for my efforts please?
QUOTE (RodrigoL @ Jul 12 2009, 19:55)
Another day, another defeated JPM fan.
Can I get a cookie for my efforts please?
Can I get a cookie for my efforts please?
QUOTE (abc @ Jul 12 2009, 17:42)
Nope, Kimi was faster when they were head to head in 2007.
In last three races it wasnt head to head at all. Kimi was stuck 2 stints in Turkey, all race in Silverstone and had only 2 free laps today.
But this race goes to Felipe, \i wrote yesterday I was impressed by him in Q and he was very good from the line today.
Still bad luck for KImi, he could be easily 4th, dont you think?
In last three races it wasnt head to head at all. Kimi was stuck 2 stints in Turkey, all race in Silverstone and had only 2 free laps today.
But this race goes to Felipe, \i wrote yesterday I was impressed by him in Q and he was very good from the line today.
Still bad luck for KImi, he could be easily 4th, dont you think?
This post is gold. It summarizes, from Kimi's fanboys point of view, almost three years of these threads.
QUOTE (cardin @ Jul 12 2009, 21:00)
This post is gold. It summarizes, from Kimi's fanboys point of view, almost three years of these threads.
hey, whats your pending problem with me? I didnt bring passed years. To be very cursory, Kimi was better in 07? Felipe in 08. Whats your beef with that and whats your beef with other part of my post (posts). You never dispute anything only sneer remarks.
Only fanboyish in this thread today are ill-manered comments from Brasil. As if todays race was where Felipe effaced Kimi from earth. Instead he was whole 1sec. ahead and who knows possible outcome if all possible cars going out of pit didnt find unmistakably small space between them two.
I will not use irony to name your post, its just rubish.
Anyway Felipe had better track position thats all. And he deserved it by beating Kimi yesterday fair and square. I was first to admit it and was very vocal about it.
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