Well, Menace always says this thread must be taken very seriously. Havin fun is not allowed in the internet.

Oh,ok.I HATE YOU!!!!!!

He was classified behind Kimi, why should that round go to Massa, that's what I don't get.

And I caught you: You posted here at 19:40, after the Australia-for-Kimi claims were done, and did NOT disagree and call for a draw.

Classic giacomo, always snapping and trying to belittle others. And always the joke is on him

He was classified behind Kimi? I doubt that. Prove it.

I have a bad memory If Kimi was classified above Massa in AUS,then that round goes to Kimi

http://www.formula1.com/results/season/2009/805/

There

There is no need for me to belittle you. You don't need outside support to look foolish.

He is lower than Kimi in the final rankings, you can doubt all you want. Kimi completed more laps than Massa, so he "beat" him, if you weren't such a fanboy you wouldn't dream about giving the round to your boy.

That's your opinion, the only one looking foolish in his pompous attitude is you.

Poor giacomo

This attempt is a bit childish, don't you think so?

Massa is counted as retired. Retired ≠ classified.

You know what DNF means, right ? Massa had a car failure. Kimi had a brain failure. The round goes to Massa.

He is above Massa in official results.Its just a fact,like Massa today was above Kimi.

I thought here we were discussing what actually happened, not should've, could've, would've happened to borrow a famous giacomo expression. The fact is, Kimi completed more laps than Massa at the time of his own retirement and was ahead of him at that point. The round does not go to Massa.

First you said FM finished behind KR, then you said FM was classified behind KR, now you are talking about him being lower in the final rankings. Nice to watch you worm around like that.

So the final rankings are the decisive standard from now on? Pace, crashes, overtakings, all irrelevant?

But he surely would have finished ahead of Kimi if it weren't for the retirement, I thought giacomo was not interested in hypothetical outcomes but only in reality. The biggest turnaround in F1 history.

BS. Today KR was classified behind FM. In Australia FM did not finish the sufficient distance to be classified, that's why he is not ranked at all. Otherwise your little linky would say "16" and not "ret".

That is what you were asking and i gave you an answer.

Often times you are hard to comprehend.

Yes, obviously you are nitpicking and clutching at words in a typical balfesque manner. Nice to watch you chase yourself in circles after you were proven wrong.

Wrong on the standards too. The only relevant standard is points. That's why I would call it a draw, 0-0, just as it was.

So from now on the scoreboard standard is the number of completed laps in your book?

Ask giacomo about his mantra that we should not discuss could've, would've but only reality.

This is going in weird direction

I am not the one here who babbles about Felipe Massa finishing Australia or being classified in Australia. Those are non-existing, la-la-land outcomes.

That's the red mist while snapping for heels.

Read above, I said POINTS.

Indeed. Good night, my friends. See you.

Ret is behind all the classified ones. And note there is a number of laps completed too, that's how the rank the retired ones as not all "ret" are created equal
Seriously, your petty arguements do not change the fact that Kimi finished ahead of Massa in that race, yet fanboys like you and cardin have no problem giving it to Massa

I'm going to quote myself here; "Massa had a car failure. Kimi had a brain failure. The round goes to Massa." That's a fact and should be the defining factor when comparing their performances. There's no could've, would've here.

Sorry about the podium wish by the way, maybe another round.

Well, Kimi finished ahead of Massa on the track. This is a fact, so I failed to comprehend why Massa should win the round if he were behind.

"Going"? This is the direction it has been going for four and a half years, when the first Kimi Vs. x scoreboard was first invented.

Wasnt Massa ahead of Kimi in australia until his car broke down? If so it doesnt matter where he ended up being classified. Your argument is very childish.

In how many races this year has Kimi beaten Massa anyway? Just monaco from memory right?

No, Massa was not ahead in Australian when his car broke down. And, your memory is not right either. Your username is very fitting.

Ok I remember one of them had a poor strategy and lost track position at one point. So that was Massa but nontheless, Kimi crashed out, while Massa did not so the round automatically goes to Massa. Crashing the car is the biggest sin no matter if you were running first or last.

Well this round was purely down to start. Its ridiculous how places like Turkey and Hungary punish quicker driver from qualifying on a dirty side. Basically Kimi was punished for his very good Q3 lap. Sadly, if it was 2008, outqualifying Felipe with more fuel would mean easy victory.

Kimis race pace was as Felipes although he had to follow cars in front of him all the time (Kubica and later Glock were his direct opponents and were always fueled to end up closely in front of Kimi).

Felipe enjoyed the race in free air but Ferraris pace was REALLY unexpectedly slow.

Pace doesn't matter one bit if you put the car into the wall and don't finish. Hence Massa, even if slower, did a better job that weekend.

Fine. Just to be clear, if:

-Massa outqualifies Kimi by a second, and is on course to win the race
-Kimi is struggling down in 15th
-Massa enters a random corner in the same manner as he'd done the whole weekend, but loses the car

Then Kimi gets the round(?)

I think I went for 0-0 for that weekend myself. If minus points could be awarded, they'd both deserve them.

Massa did a slightly better job, but not good enough to get a point. So I think 0-0 is fair enough.

So whoever leads in the first corner or half distance should be declared winner, even though the race has not finished? That's quite mature, I'm impressed.

He didn't crash out. Your memory is terrible indeed.

Are you trying to re-write history now ?

Are you? He didn't crash OUT, he brushed the wall and continued and only retired once it became clear he wouldn't be able to score points. If you are looking for a crashing-out example, please refer to what MS did at the same track in 2006.

From the guys on the dirty side, after the first lap, only Kimi and Buemi lost positions. Kimi is not the best starter out there.

Webber, Alonso and Hamilton all got overtaken at the start. Stop trolling

Sure, did you watch the Spanish GP?

Didn't Alonso passed Kimi at the start?

but you cannot simply ignore the driver's performance on lap 1 which is crucial for the results of the race..