Good point.

But ATM "outside of America" isn´t doing great, either - in regards of customers, anyway. I would think in times like this most US companies rather steer clear from expensive/unclear projects like F1.

Of course, I could be wrong...

Good to see that USF1 wants an experienced F1 driver for the first year or two, to help them get up to speed.
I'm waiting for the Alonso to USF1 thread to start soon...

Let me see if I have this straight:

F1 has Ferrari, an Italian team based in Italy, that is blessed by the pope and revered as a national icon of the country;

BMW, who likes German drivers, engineers;

Super Aguri, who was a blatant Japanese-biased effort;

Force India - named after a country;

... and people here are complaining of patriotism in the U.S.?

You're a bunch of frakking hypocrites, and you set a poor example for the form of F1 versus the cliche of NASCAR fans and that which you extol as a global sport. I thought it was great fun watching the enthusiasm of Japanese fans at the USGP for Super Aguri; French for Renault; Brazilians for anything remotely Brazilian; the Columbians making it sound like the stands were going to collapse for Montoya and it's cool that India has a team representing them.

But you don't like it that the U.S. is trying to do it now, and that we're fans of the effort? How dare someone do an F1 team outside of Europe? "Bollocks to that"...

Absolutely agree with everything you say there.

If their entry was encouraged-even vaguely-due to the cost-cutting measures,I'm going to celebrate.Seems a bit unrealistic in the current economic climate,perhaps,but if we ever get back up to 24+ car grids (with the rules changed to accommodate them,of course),I'd take my hat off to Max Mosley and his policies.Imagine all the drivers that'd get their break with back-of-the-grid outfits competing on modest budgets-maybe a Grosjean in a Penske-something,or a Chandhok in an MRF-Lola....

There are shades between black and white...!!!

I don't see the connection between Colombian fans and calling the team USF1. Nobody is telling Americans they shouldn't cheer for it. Most people that are writing negative things are just reacting to the name. I don't think it's a good name either and perhaps it is just a 'working title'. Wouldn't want to go to the Middle East races with a name like that.


Also, BMW has Kubica, Super Aguri had Davidson(?) and neither of Force India's drivers are Indian.

I've spent oodles of time in the US. It's closer for me to shop and do business in New York than in the west coast of my own country. There's two geographically huge nations in North America and yeah, anyone who thinks there's a homogeneous American or Canadian 'type' simply hasn't been over here and gotten to know more about how much the different regions vary, not just in politics but language, lifestyle, economics...pretty much everything!

So, I want to be clear – I'm not American bashing. That'd be rather odd, much of my family being from the US. That said, it's hard to miss the almost combative sounds coming out of the USF1 camp. It's typical North American stuff; we come to challenge the world! It could be the relative isolation away from our peers in Europe and Asia – face it, we do self-contain when it comes to sports (NHL, NBA and such) – that creates this. Whereas everyone else in in the habit of interacting we aren't. Every international foray takes on the nation against nation cloak, especially in the media coverage. Personally, I don't like it, never will, but I've come to expect it.

The problem is, that what sounds one way from the inside gives a very different impression to many other folks. Think of it this way; suppose there was a new Brazilian team in the works. They decide to call themselves BrasilF1 and they would be based out of Sao Paulo. Oh, and they would be hoping to hire only Brazilian technicians, use only Brazilian technology and put two Brazilians in the cars as drivers. Now suppose other countries started to do the same thing. Would this sound appealing or sort of silly. How about arrogant? FWIW, I don't think the USF1 deal is about arrogance (in fact, I think it's a touch of the opposite) but I can see how that impression could come across.

I think it's great that new teams could be arriving on the grid. Heck, I even kind of like Peter Windsor. I've nothing against USF1. I hope they makes it and help reignite interest in F1 among North American drivers. I just wish they'd tone down the presentation a little.

Well at least they know they car will be able to lap the track 6 tenths faster.

Copersucar all over. Noo!

To be fair, their presentation was as a US enterprise, to US clients, in the US. It's a local message that has been broadcast internationally. Something people, particularly in sport and politics, have failed to grasp in the past decade.

I would have no problem with that model whatsoever and don't find it arrogant. There is already a team called ForceIndia. Mclaren recently announced that they plan to have a german driver in two years sending a message to Vettel..

The only thing not American about this team is Peter Windsor

Calling it USF1 is bound to set them against the Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners...that's what nationalism does.

They may get advantages within the US, but there will be a price to be paid elsewhere, that should be obvious to anybody.

I don't think it's an either/or situation. Some people will like the team because it's American just as some people will dislike the team because of it. I think most people will measure it by its results as a race team and be indifferent to the rest of it.

If all the teams operated that way next year, Alonso would be in Indycar

That's only because some Europeans, Asians, Middle Easterners are morons....

In the same way, some Americans are also morons, what is your point, exactly?

The ignorance is apparent at both ends.

my point being that the USf1 team may give a rat's ass what those morons think.. On the other hand if they are welcomed and supported by the other teams and specially Bernie and Max that's all that really matters..

Mclaren's CEO:

Why does Scott Speed need to drive for USF1 before americans embrace him and F1?

I mean, its their thing, I'm all for having more new teams but there's A1GP which is purpose built for nationalism with the drivers...

It seems a bit shallow to me:

- '..well, there's this guy which is the best at what he does..'

- 'Is he american?'

- 'no.'

- '*#$%! ..so, who's next best? Is he american?'

You give the fans of F1 in other countries far too much credit for the reasons why they watch.

I don't know if the all American drivers thing is written in stone.

Windsor talked about Rubens maybe being a good fit.

Americans will like the team because it's American, that's the problem. I didn't like Force India being called that, for the same reason. There is bound to be some national interest, but the less the better. Teams should gather support from the way they behave, what they stand for - enterprise, style, inventiveness and all the rest of it. F1 is very international, a force against nationalism, now this .

I agree things can grow in different ways, they might earn a lot of respect and an international following, there might not be a star or stripe to be seen in their garages, but it's a bad start. A great pity. Why couldn't they have just called the team something else

because they are not interested in pleasing people who think like you..

People who don't like too much nationalism?

Oh no he doesn't. His speech writer is Jon Favreau, one of the youngest chief speechwriters in the White House. He is 27 years old.



Historically, I think I have a case. I already mentioned the two wars, but not getting involved in the misc. African conflicts is an example.

I don’t know where you get the idea Americans talk about Europeans. I live in America, trust me, they don’t care what we think.

States can be quite different. Visit Texas then go to Oregon. Visit Alabama then go to California. They are very different, not just in size, population, demographics, environment, weather, accents, you name it.

It’s like taking the continent of Europe, dividing each country into "States", that is how different states can vary from one another in America.

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Eh? Someone lashing out in a temper thinking that his nation is being criticised. Just what happens when teams get named for a nation. I expect you're convinced I hate the USA now?

I guess you missed his point that there are double standards when it comes to the US..

What I love about this the most is that certain people try to arguing about certain nationalist characteristics are doing their best to live up to those characteristics

I guess you missed where I said I didn't like Force India being named for a country either.

Peter Windsor isn't an American, he should be fired!

On the drivers view, if they want to american drivers. Only two (I believe) american drivers have had an F1 Test/Race, Scott Speed and Marco Andretti. Danica Patrick has had no experience like Dan Wheldon (but he's British), so who are they going to hire Alexandre Rossi?

Sad to say this, and call me ignorant if you will, but until I got on this board I had no idea of the distaste europeans had for the US, in general.
Now OTH, I have also met, hosted and visited members of this board from the UK, Netherlands, Germany and Russia and had a great time with them.
I'm a Californian, and a Hispanic and I have never felt discriminated against in my home country, but I have also found much less painful when traveling abroad that when people ask if I'm American, I say "No, I'm from California" and as soon as I say that attitude changes, don't ask me why.

You would have to think they need one existing F1 driver to know where they are with their car on speed, and how it's supposed to feel.

I have loads of friends who are stationed here from the USA and I find them to be good friends too. I am English through and through and I refer to my friends as Brits in exile. Same as Canucks are Yanks in exile.

Tin lid and flack jacket on.

Honda have tested a couple I believe. but I might be wrong on that. But I seem to recall a couple of nascar guys getting private tests. Jimmie Johnson?

The only US driver who has tested an F1 car recently other than Speed has been Marco. You are probably confusing Johnson with Jeff Gordon when he swapped cars with Montoya

Simple answer to your question - buy a team and name it whatever YOU'D like....it's your money after all.

Everybody has rights, sorry to have to tell you . Anderson and Windsor can call their team what they want, obviously, and we can think what we like about it.

They could have called it something else and still had all the American support, but had some other support as well. Also they wouldn't be attracting the defensive bollox we're seeing from one or two on here who think criticism of USF1 strikes at the very heart of The USA.

"A lot of people here remember that during the great depression of 1929 Joe Kennedy came out worth 10 times his value after four years working in the recession - and a lot of people here have same attitude. "

Quote from Windsor. I'm pretty sure bootlegging liquor isn't as profitable anymore as in the 20s.

So your rights (of not liking their name) over-rides their right (to name their team what they like) the squeeky-wheel sometimes just falls by the way-side.

You do realize that all of this is just YOUR OPINION and therefore is not fact?

Get over it, sue them, kidnap Anderson and/or Windsor (or a family member may just work), go blowup their plans, start your own team, etc.....or just whinge-on

Sort of like the "problem" Brits like Williams, Nihongojin Super Aguri and Italians Ferrari?



Ok, I'll call Vijay up and break the news to him.




Exactly. This will reflect a different approach, which is what *should* make it interesting, regardless of where you're from.




International, obviously. Of course, USF1 has Windsor, and no doubt Ken Anderson will recruit other "forin'yurz" he's been affiliated with in the past.

A force *against* nationalism? BS.

J'ever notice that part of the podium ceremony that includes national anthems, and the flag of different nations....? I guess you missed that part.

YOU FAIL.




Because they're based in the U.S., using mostly U.S. resources, which sets them apart and also makes them commercially viable from that angle. Sorry that's so difficult to grasp.

ALTERNATE "NICER" GLOBO-POLITICALLY-CORRECT USF1 NAMES:

Team MidPhase Correction
Force Yankee Dogs
UNF1
Shake and Bake F1
Team NWO
Boutros-Boutros Racing
Team Gumbo Melting Pot

This is what happens, you see.

..a rose by any other name...

Must be the silly season..

And another thing about the name...

it implies they will be the only F1 team in the USA.

But if they're right about North Carolina being a great place for an F1 team, and why not, what is the next F1 team that sets up there supposed to be called?

/wins thread


people are people, they just happen to be from somewhere.

im british, but i have loads of american friends, and alot of stuff im into is american.

quite looking forward to seeing the american aproach to racing coming to europe aswell, itll be a wakeup call for many imo

Yes distributed. They were developed in France by Dassault Systemes.

Ben

NCF1?

Oh Carolina?!

Remember how F1 cars used to race in national colors? The enterprises stand for one thing and one thing only: to make profit for shareholders. That is the reason they exist, and also what company law requires. The rest is marketing slogans which people buy, believing in "real" differences between multinational car manufacturers.

If people support USF1 because it´s American, great!