What about Honda and Toyota....

Because it remains a good PR line.

Which helps sells cars (and build an aura of prestige and heritage)

Like Colin said, win on Sunday, sell on Monday!

Your correct but we now have to remove Honda.

But you can add BMW.
and maybe Reno....

Except that BMWs are not made in Bavaria

Toyotas are made in Cologne

And Hondas were made in Brackley


If these teams had won the WCC, they would have their logo adorning the cup


This is the case for the marques making the chassis

The engine manufacturer contribution to the WCC doesn't qualify as part of the constructor effort - which is I feel is unfair

It already past time for Ferrari leave the Farse-1 that it is was turned by FIA into a simple series instead the creative, colorfull,smelly and differentiated Formula 1.

Let's go for Le Mans.

Luca DeM is now gonna be at Lemans, is this another sign that Ferrari are thinking about F1 and the budget cap???

I can understand why Ferrari wouldnt want to race under that Restriction. Max should just go and let someone else take charge. He has had his tenure.

What about the opinion of the other teams on this? I have not heard much noise from others as much as Lucas

If Ferrari leaves, lots of viewership would get affected IMO. They have the largest fanbase and the sea of Red at GPs do point to that.

except FOTa breaks out to form another racing series including teams like Mclaren, Ferrari, BMW, Renault etc there wont be any seismic change in F1...

sure Ferrari will be missed, but the show will go on... and a team like Mclaren (if they remain) will take their place as the iconic brand in F1


dont underestimate the fickleness of human nature, especially in sports

I suppose Ferrari goes racing as the majority of the money comes from FOM and Marlboro?

To be honest it can't be great for the image to see a supercar brand being beaten by a Renault or a can of soda .

F1 was always about the future. The fans of F1 will survivce the loss of McLaren and Ferrari, just as we survived the loss of Lotus, Brabham and Fondmetal.

The Ferrari fans will have a hard time though.

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^ Ferrari and Mercedes should retire and create their own series or go to one where there's real racing (Le Mans/ALMS/LMS).
Hopefully this will kill the Bernie and Max Farse 1 racertainment business.
The spec crap series will go the way of the NASCAR Cup as in peak due to the driver fanboys and then just go down as the car/manufacturer/technology fans will disappear and the stupid driver fanboys will get tired.

If they disappear one by one then I agree.

If McLaren, Ferrari and perhaps a couple of others disappear at once then people may end up thinking that's what's left isn't worth caring about any more than A1GP, especially if the departing teams try and start something else.

However, trying to start something else would be an enormous risk for the departing teams, especially in the current economic climate.

Yes. I would definetily welcome anything that rids us from Bernie and Max.
In any case, seems like the McLaren we knew is gone already. Whitmarsh has licked Max's boots (and God knows what more he had to go through) kicked out Ron and declared that there is a new McLaren now. For me, McLaren is no more.

Err, Jaguar ?

I've been thinking this myself. I'd love to see the manufacturers go back to Le Mans en masse. At least Le Mans is technically relevant to road cars and features some good racing. I personally wouldn't mind seeing a revival of the World Sportscar Championship, only without Bernie and Max killing it off like they did last time.

As its stands we have works efforts from Peugeot, Audi and Aston Martin in LMP1 and Porsche in LMP2.

I personally think that LeMans was the place manufacturers went and F1 was generally for privateer teams. A lot of the trouble in F1 has been caused by works manufacturer envolvement. Unlike privateer teams, manufacturers can leave on a whim and generally give far less downside protection to the series over a privateer team who are there for the racing.

On the issue of the WSC. We have the LeMans Series and the American LeMans series which are basically filling the role of what the WSC was. The main crux should be about car regulations. I seriously think its time to go back to a fuel limited formula such as used in Group C. The world is crying out for ever more fuel efficient cars. The ACO should fuel limit the LeMans race and give manufacturers the job of getting decent fuel economy out of their cars. Hell, let them run KERS and some sort of exhaust gas energy recovery system and let them up the fuel economy to as high as it will go.

Toyota were talking back along about entering a hybrid LMP1 car in 2010. Obviously this doesn't look like it's going to happen, but it would have been an interesting idea. Certainly better then the billions they are wasting in F1 at the moment for little gain. But I agree with the fuel economy rule. That way they can leave engine development open. I'm surprised that Mercedes and Ferrari haven't given the LMP1 class a shot. I believe the last time Mercedes won the Le Mans 24 hours was with Sauber wasn't it?