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WebBerK
http://www.expansion.com/2009/11/22/empresas/1258928606.html

I found an interesting article about Campos through a Marca.com link.

"
José Ramón Carabante es el máximo responsable del equipo participado también por Adrián Campos, Meta Image, Pau Gasol y Jorge Garbajosa.

El equipo estará en las pitas "con un presupuesto de 46 millones de euros" (un millón más respecto al límite voluntario establecido por la FIA).
Para ello, "ya hemos invertido entre 12 y 14 millones de euros en la preparación de los monoplazas",

La región de Murcia ha dado un aval a Campos Meta por 25 millones de euros para el montaje de la escudería y de la fábrica en la comunidad, donde crearán más de 200 puestos de trabajo. Además, Murcia aporta 3 millones de euros anuales como patrocinador de la escudería.

14 millones de euros procedentes de empresas de Brasil...
Una vez que se firmen estos acuerdos, el equipo ya contaría con 26 millones de euros, más "diez millones por los derechos de televisión de la FOM".
Pero todavía quedan por cubrir otros 20 millones de euros para alcanzar el presupuesto límite. Los fondos de la escudería se cubren con los patrocinadores que vienen con el piloto.
[Bruno Senna would bring Embratel]

Telefónica y Mutua (patrocinadores de Renault), no estarán en los monoplazas."
Buttoneer
Can you translate?
noikeee
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 24 2009, 00:08) *
El equipo estará en las pitas


"Pitas" kinda = "jailbait" in portuguese. "The team will be onto the jailbait". lol.gif
WebBerK
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 23 2009, 22:08) *
http://www.expansion.com/2009/11/22/empresas/1258928606.html

I found an interesting article about Campos through a Marca.com link.

"
José Ramón Carabante es el máximo responsable del equipo participado también por Adrián Campos, Meta Image, Pau Gasol y Jorge Garbajosa.

El equipo estará en las pitas "con un presupuesto de 46 millones de euros" (un millón más respecto al límite voluntario establecido por la FIA).
Para ello, "ya hemos invertido entre 12 y 14 millones de euros en la preparación de los monoplazas",

La región de Murcia ha dado un aval a Campos Meta por 25 millones de euros para el montaje de la escudería y de la fábrica en la comunidad, donde crearán más de 200 puestos de trabajo. Además, Murcia aporta 3 millones de euros anuales como patrocinador de la escudería.

14 millones de euros procedentes de empresas de Brasil...
Una vez que se firmen estos acuerdos, el equipo ya contaría con 26 millones de euros, más "diez millones por los derechos de televisión de la FOM".
Pero todavía quedan por cubrir otros 20 millones de euros para alcanzar el presupuesto límite. Los fondos de la escudería se cubren con los patrocinadores que vienen con el piloto.

Telefónica y Mutua (patrocinadores de Renault), no estarán en los monoplazas."

Well, the article is a bit confusing and Spanish is not my language, nor English lol.gif so super sumary...

Carabante comments about the financial health of Campos Meta:
> The team has a Business Plan of 46M Euros [for 2010].
> The team invested E14M in dallara to provide a chassis [understood Cossie is not included, but Williams had its package for USD5M or USD3.5M].
> The Spanish Murcia State agreed to support the team in E25M for building their headquarter there and the generation of +200 jobs.
> Murcial will also provide E3M on annual basis as sponsorship.

> The team counts with E14M comming from Brazil, yet to be signed.
> Another source of money would be E10M from FOM TV rights.
> The missing E20M would come from drivers.
Senna would bring Embratel [Carlos Slim] support [not signed].
Maldonado [PDVSA] or Petrov [GAZPROM].
> The lack of Spanish sponsors impedes PDLR to drive for the team as Telefonica and Mutua Madrilena are out due to the crisis.
CoolFiltered
Campos car homologated by the FIA


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80325
Buttoneer
First of the new boys, so that's good. I wonder when the others will translate from wind tunnel (or CFD) to crash-test dummy?
Victor_RO
Very good indeed. So this is probably 99.9% confirmation that at least one of the new teams will be fully prepared and with good testing miles under the belt by the time they get to Bahrain.

And for a start-up team like this, associating with a famous race car builder like Dallara can't be bad at all. smile.gif
WebBerK
QUOTE (Victor_RO @ Nov 24 2009, 11:06) *
And for a start-up team like this, associating with a famous race car builder like Dallara can't be bad at all. smile.gif

Without all those wild winglets, a F1 is just like a king-sized-jumbo F3.
WebBerK
I just wonder how Dallara calculated the size of fuel tanks once they don't know the final consumption of Cossie engines confused.gif
It was reported that the minimum consumption was alarming...
Buttoneer
Interesting. Got a source for that?
Victor_RO
Basic fuel cell for 2010 will probably be something like 190-200 liters for most of the teams, maybe up to 215-220 for the thirstiest engines. The FIA certainly didn't set an upper limit for its size, so in layman terms, they can build a 300-liter fuel tank and they won't risk running out of fuel.

If the Cosworth is more thirsty, then I expect they'll estimate the consumption at ~210 liters/race.

(This based on the last few seasons with a single tankful for a race)
highdownforce
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Nov 24 2009, 11:46) *
Interesting. Got a source for that?

Brazilian journalist Celso Itibere.

Look at it:
QUOTE (rodlamas @ Nov 19 2009, 09:48) *
Brazilian journalist Celso Itibere reports that the Cosworth engine, running on maximum economy mode, is getting alarming fuel consumption figures on the dyno tests.



Edit:
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Nov 24 2009, 11:44) *
I just wonder how Dallara calculated the size of fuel tanks once they don't know the final consumption of Cossie engines confused.gif

Sometime ago during this year there were talks about FIA providing telemetry data to Cosworth.
Buttoneer
Thanks. Not really an empirical evaluation though is it. Alarming to who, and by what sort of margin is it worse than Mercedes (which ought to be the benchmark engine I think)? I suppose we'll get to find out next year.
highdownforce
QUOTE (Buttoneer @ Nov 24 2009, 12:15) *
Thanks. Not really an empirical evaluation though is it. Alarming to who, and by what sort of margin is it worse than Mercedes (which ought to be the benchmark engine I think)? I suppose we'll get to find out next year.

Exactly, we'll have to wait the February 1st (Williams shake down with Barrichello) to have tangible info about it.
By alarming I understand much worse than the Ferrari's.
WebBerK
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Nov 24 2009, 12:06) *
Brazilian journalist Celso Itibere.

Thanks. up.gif

Rubens told it to the journos after signing Williams.
santori
Piquet thinks that they're still looking for a Spaniard but that he's not out of it: 'I would be absolutely delighted.... But they seem to be looking for a Spanish pilot'.

I've also read that Renault is trying to place Grosjean at the team.
robracer
QUOTE (santori @ Nov 30 2009, 09:36) *
Piquet thinks that they're still looking for a Spaniard but that he's not out of it: 'I would be absolutely delighted.... But they seem to be looking for a Spanish pilot'.

I've also read that Renault is trying to place Grosjean at the team.


Grosjean shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an F1 car. He wasn't even close to Piquet.
Buckethead
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 30 2009, 17:05) *
Grosjean shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an F1 car. He wasn't even close to Piquet.


Piquet jr 1 year as a test driver + 1½ years as a race driver
Grosjean 7 races as race driver


With proper winter program Grosjean would be good. He was close to Fernando's times when he got it right. Too bad he didn't get it right very often.
Mauseri
QUOTE (robracer @ Nov 30 2009, 19:05) *
Grosjean shouldn't be allowed anywhere near an F1 car. He wasn't even close to Piquet.

Piquet practically never was close to the times of Alonso. And spun a lot in his early races. Grosjean spun a lot too, but at least he was fast sometimes.
highdownforce
"Bruno has an undeniable talent," said Campos.
QUOTE
"The second pilot will be announced before Christmas. It has to be," said Campos

QUOTE
"We do not know where he can get, if he'd be like his uncle. But I signed him because his talent is undeniable. What he did in so little time in racing is amazing. So we signed with him, he brings no money, but the next one will have to bring. "

QUOTE
Campos also justified the reasons why not also signed with Nelsinho Piquet. "I do not close the door on him. We've talked, but this year it will not be possible. It is bad to have two pilots of the same nationality on the team. They are in the same market and compete for the same sponsors."



Senna: "Petrov and Maldonado fight for 2nd place"
QUOTE
"The development of the car is very good," said the nephew of Ayrton Senna. "The Dallara is doing a great job."

QUOTE
Finally, Senna revealed the opinion that the Russian Vitaly Petrov and Venezuelan Pastor Maldonado are the highest-rated pilots to occupy the second car in the team. "The second pilot of the team is more between Petrov and Maldonado," he said.
highdownforce
Team's representatives will have a meet in Petrobras headquarters in Rio, today. [ Grande Prêmio ]

Pictures from yesterday presentation (in Brazil):

robracer
Parente under the radar at Campos?
highdownforce
This report has echoed in Brazilian media yesterday too.
noikeee
That would be great - although I think there's little between Bruno's talent and his talent, so it could be a little bit of a risky move long-term: if things are close, the Senna surname will shine more. But you have got to start somewhere.
Buckethead
A. Campos looks like a younger and little chubbier version of Luca Di Montezemolo drunk.gif
showtime
QUOTE (gio66 @ Dec 5 2009, 13:16) *


Yesterday there was a meeting between people from Campos Meta (not Adrian) and Petrobras. It's probable that Petrobras return to F1 next year as fuel supplier for the Spanish team.
gio66
QUOTE (showtime @ Dec 5 2009, 13:23) *
(not Adrian)


This worries me.
I don't understand why Campos flown in Brazil and not participating the meeting.

New download page in Campos Meta website

http://www.camposmeta.com/
Buckethead
QUOTE (gio66 @ Dec 5 2009, 14:28) *
New download page in Campos Meta website

http://www.camposmeta.com/




interesting cat.gif
Scotracer
That front end is almost identical to the launch MP4-24...

PNSD
Thats a Mclaren lol. One of the other images is also a photoshopped Ferrari!
Buttoneer
I thought those wheel fairings were illegal for 2010?
SpeedFanatic
F60 anyone?
noikeee
I'd be very surprised if they'd release photos of their real design before it's actually ready to go out on track.
WebBerK
QUOTE (gio66 @ Dec 5 2009, 10:28) *
I don't understand why Campos flown in Brazil and not participating the meeting.

Maybe negotiating the kick back smoking.gif

But seriouslly, better to concentrate on a concrete deal visiting the headquarter of Petrobras - juiced by the clone of a local hero - than elbow with other 5-10 teams for some slushy sponsorship proposals at the Forum.
The megalomaniac president wants Petrobras to advertise the progress of the company and Brazil.

Furthermore, the deal might also help on the technical side, as Senna said that a better fuel can make them carry less fuel at the start, and that is a serious cpncern for Cossi powered cars.
showtime
QUOTE (gio66 @ Dec 5 2009, 13:28) *
This worries me.
I don't understand why Campos flown in Brazil and not participating the meeting.

There was some kind of presentation for Senna as their new driver in Brazil.
ivanalesi
These talks with F1 rookies is a bad strange for Campos, it's a sign they may not have enough backing and need a lot more from drivers. All of the other teams are looking for experienced drivers, just Campos wants rookies. I think Senna-Maldonado would be great, lots of talent!
ryan86
I think there's two schools of thought to that - personally I don't think that those with recent experience of F1 that are available are up to much - Wurz wasn't particularly good at Williams, and I just don't believe de la Rosa is that good full stop to have everyone after his signature.

About the only one I rate is probably JV.
ivanalesi
Yeah, both Senna and Maldonado are very talented, but w/o in season testing... I see it as their 1st signs of financial weakness.
They were supposed to be the most solid outfit with Dallara and sports marketing agency, looks like the agency isn't too good at delivering their part of the deal.
SpeedFanatic
Economic crisis in Spain is really big, funding the team is going to be difficult.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (robracer @ Dec 4 2009, 23:44) *

I'm not buying it. Parente was constantly linked to Virgin, but it seems Virgin lost patience with him. Then, almost overnight, he's suddenly in contention for the Campos seat alongside a Brazilian driver, according to the Brazilian press. While I'm not saying he's not in talks, I do suspect his chances are being a little exaggerated as Campos himself said recently that it's probabl going to be Petrov or Maldonado.
highdownforce
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Dec 6 2009, 19:34) *
I'm not buying it. Parente was constantly linked to Virgin, but it seems Virgin lost patience with him. Then, almost overnight, he's suddenly in contention for the Campos seat alongside a Brazilian driver, according to the Brazilian press. While I'm not saying he's not in talks, I do suspect his chances are being a little exaggerated as Campos himself said recently that it's probabl going to be Petrov or Maldonado.

This is not actually a Brazilian media report, just the usual F1 gossip picked by GMM.
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Dec 8 2009, 00:03) *
This is not actually a Brazilian media report, just the usual F1 gossip picked by GMM.

A Brazilian newspaper was the first place I saw it.
highdownforce
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Dec 7 2009, 18:59) *
A Brazilian newspaper was the first place I saw it.

I remember seeing it at some web version of a Brazilian newspaper and remembering that I've read that on other f1 sites on the web a couple of days before.
ivanalesi
QUOTE (SpeedFanatic @ Dec 6 2009, 00:31) *
Economic crisis in Spain is really big, funding the team is going to be difficult.


It seems so, they will hope Senna and his family contacts to help them find Brazilian sponsorship and then Parente with his management to find some sponsorship from Portugal and the football fields. His management is a company involved in football, thus his Soccerade energy drink deal(along with Massa and Christiano Ronaldo).
gio66
A friend told me that 40% of permanent Dallara's staff is working for the F1 car. Two wind tunnels are working in shifts 20 hours a day with four scale models.
Physically, at the moment, there is only one monocoque.
Poster-rig and wind tunnels are obviously off-limits.
Clatter
QUOTE (gio66 @ Dec 13 2009, 21:20) *
A friend told me that 40% of permanent Dallara's staff is working for the F1 car. Two wind tunnels are working in shifts 20 hours a day with four scale models.
Physically, at the moment, there is only one monocoque.
Poster-rig and wind tunnels are obviously off-limits.


So does that mean the new teams are not subject to the wind tunnel restrictions that the rest of the grid have?
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (Clatter @ Dec 14 2009, 11:58) *
So does that mean the new teams are not subject to the wind tunnel restrictions that the rest of the grid have?

It wouldn't surprise me, if it meant the teams stood a better chance of making the grid. I don't think FOTA would object to it too much, since it's ridiculously unlikely that they'll be able to catch up.
WebBerK
QUOTE (Clatter @ Dec 13 2009, 22:58) *
So does that mean the new teams are not subject to the wind tunnel restrictions that the rest of the grid have?

Maybe bcs Dallara is a contractor, not a FIA F1 team. confused.gif
Captain Tightpants
QUOTE (WebBerK @ Dec 14 2009, 13:50) *
Maybe bcs Dallara is a contractor, not a FIA F1 team. confused.gif

I think Dallara are counted as a design studio, not a constructor.

But even that is not a way around the rules. Red Bull and Toro Ross both buy their chassis from a third party, the Red Bull Technology Centre (which is how they get around the ban on customer chassis), which is also a design studio. They're still bound by the same rules as everyone else.
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