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Showty
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Jan 23 2010, 23:27) *
What makes you think that? Even if they get financial support from "somewhere", that won' change the fact that Maldonado and Petrov still have money to bring. And it certainly doesn't rule them out entirely.


Well, that´s the word in Spain these days, if Campos is able to find money somewhere else surely they´ll prefer to sign Soucek, i find it very normal, first spanish team ever in F1, Adrian Campos also repeated many times he wants a spanish driver, they wanted to sign Pedro badly but he just have no founds at all.

Of course i don´t rule Petrov or Maldonado when money is such an important matter in this decision.

Anyway it looks that Campos is much more focused now on finding extra funds than in securing a 2nd driver.
monza2001
QUOTE (Showty @ Jan 24 2010, 00:00) *
James Allen is wrong on that, Repsol has nothing to do with Pedro, they ended their relation many years ago.

Repsol in fact has a deal with Alguersari, but they were reluctant to put money for him to continue in Toro Rosso, that´s the reason why the official announcement came so late, i guess they finally throwed some euros in there, but not sure about it, we´ll see it when the season begins.

Pedro used to be as a guest in some Universia acts (Universia is one of Alonso´s personal sponsors) and it was rumoured they will put some money for Pedro by making a deal with Sauber but they confirmed they wouldn´t, although they will support him as a personal sponsor.

There might be some sponsors going to Sauber due to Pedro´s signing, but sure they won´t be Universia or Repsol.

About the Fisichella thing, i guess the part of Ferrari wanting Fisichella to remain as its 3rd driver played a big part on the negotiations, i don´t see Peter Sauber enjoying the possibility of losing his veteran and experienced driver in the middle of the season.

I don´t think money is the reason Pedro is in Sauber, the only reason for some people in fact, anyway, once the preseason starts to roll we´ll be able to find out.


Repsol HAD a deal. They conclude it last year. Repsol only puts real money in Trial and HRC.

About Pedro Banco Santander said clearly "No money invested in Sauber".


PaulD.
QUOTE (DFV @ Jan 23 2010, 21:56) *
On January 12th BBC ran this story:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport...one/8453054.stm


So unless Campos should have paid the 3mill between Jan 12th and now and haven't done so the story goes against what Dallara said 11 days ago... So, unless Dallara was not telling the truth back on the 12th, it seems like Campos have been paying their bills to Dallara.



Well the motorsport-total article is actually about Ecclestone, who now told the press which of the new teams he thinks are not going to make it... which are suprise surprise Campos and USF1. But not because of technical problems, it is just about the lack of funding according to Ecclestone. And then the article goes on and says that the situation intensified earlier this week (monday) when Campos lost Dallara as a supplier because of unpaid bills, according to rumors from Italy. It all sounds rather vague so we should wait and see... Something like this should make the rounds rather quickly and so far nobody run this story...
Xaus
QUOTE (PaulD. @ Jan 23 2010, 19:43) *
Well the motorsport-total article is actually about Ecclestone, who now told the press which of the new teams he thinks are not going to make it... which are suprise surprise Campos and USF1. But not because of technical problems, it is just about the lack of funding according to Ecclestone. And then the article goes on and says that the situation intensified earlier this week (monday) when Campos lost Dallara as a supplier because of unpaid bills, according to rumors from Italy. It all sounds rather vague so we should wait and see... Something like this should make the rounds rather quickly and so far nobody run this story...


Yeah, exactly. Dallara = existence of Campos. No Dallara = No Campos.

If there was any shred of truth to this then I'd expect to see something tomorrow at the least. I doubt press outlets would wait until monday to show up to work and say something "oh, hey, did ja hear? Campos ceased to exist. So, anyways..."
brabham bt50
Campos has more financial worries according to

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/splitte...s_10012502.html

The attempts to get Mutua Madrilena as sponsor of the Campos team have failed
Tract1on
Just wondering why Campos didnt jump all over Petrov when he was sniffing around?
15 million euros is quite a lot of money for a team that apparently doesnt have any...


William Hunt
QUOTE (brabham bt50 @ Jan 25 2010, 15:36) *
Campos has more financial worries according to

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/splitte...s_10012502.html

The attempts to get Mutua Madrilena as sponsor of the Campos team have failed


What you didn't mention is that this article also mentions that Campos signed 2 engineers from BMW Sauber including the former race engineer of Kubica: Toni Cuquerella.
William Hunt
QUOTE (Tract1on @ Jan 25 2010, 16:02) *
Just wondering why Campos didnt jump all over Petrov when he was sniffing around?
15 million euros is quite a lot of money for a team that apparently doesnt have any...


Petrov no doubt prefers to drive for Renault.
Tract1on
Yes now he's interested in Renault, but originally he was trying hard to get the second Campos seat, but it seems they didnt want to sign him, even with all that money... just wondering why.

QUOTE (William Hunt @ Jan 25 2010, 15:09) *
Petrov no doubt prefers to drive for Renault.

monza2001
QUOTE (William Hunt @ Jan 25 2010, 16:09) *
Petrov no doubt prefers to drive for Renault.


That´s obvious. The best avalilable car is Renault. Campos and USF1 have a dark future.
gio66
QUOTE (William Hunt @ Jan 25 2010, 16:08) *
What you didn't mention is that this article also mentions that Campos signed 2 engineers from BMW Sauber including the former race engineer of Kubica: Toni Cuquerella.


Nothing new. Cuquerella is working on the car for months.
Tract1on
NO. Your missing my point...
Petrov was there, (before Renault) with his bag of cash at Campos door, asking for a drive...
Campos could have signed him. But they didnt. Why?

QUOTE (monza2001 @ Jan 25 2010, 16:52) *
That´s obvious. The best avalilable car is Renault. Campos and USF1 have a dark future.

William Hunt
QUOTE (Tract1on @ Jan 26 2010, 01:16) *
NO. Your missing my point...
Petrov was there, (before Renault) with his bag of cash at Campos door, asking for a drive...
Campos could have signed him. But they didnt. Why?


How do you know that? Prove this.

I believe it was the opposite and that Petrov postponed signing because he prefered a Sauber or Renault seat. Of course I can't prove that either but it seems more logical, especially since he still is in the running for the Renault seat.
petercar41
good news for Campos to be announced soon

....it seems there is an agreement between Campos and Texeira to be announced soon.....Texeira will buy Carabantes (Carabante is Campos partner) shares and the team will not be named Capos Meta anymore as Meta is Carabantes company......Campos A1? Campos Racing?.... Team will stay in Valencia so is not moving to Murcia.....more news soon

http://www.lasprovincias.es/20100126/depor...r-20100126.html
pikamoku
QUOTE (petercar41 @ Jan 26 2010, 08:31) *
good news for Campos to be announced soon

AS said that also a week ago, so "soon" may have some bizarre meaning in spanish, at least in the spanish press.

I hope they reach an agreement soon drunk.gif
Atic Atac
QUOTE (pikamoku @ Jan 26 2010, 09:28) *
AS said that also a week ago, so "soon" may have some bizarre meaning in spanish, at least in the spanish press.

I hope they reach an agreement soon drunk.gif


The original article says "between today and tomorrow", so soon will be soon ;)


autonomous
Soucek seems the new favourite for Adrian, Maldonando the eternal second choice. Personally I'm pleased for Andy, and at least the team get a (native) Spanish speaker. The serial indifference here has been astonishing, as if as happens often, motorsport has been reduced to F1, F1 is reduced to FA, as is Spanish involvement in the sport (ever), the latest to decline have been Mutua Madrilena who used to have a commercial when the cars where on the grid (annoyingly intrusive). Adrian and crew must look on with envy at the support and interest motoGP recieves. Still I guess this was bound to happen to an operation of their size when budget are agreed and then increased considerably.
TheF1PERSON
Campos' website has been taken down and is no longer working.
kenny
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 26 2010, 12:41) *
Campos' website has been taken down and is no longer working.

It still works for me...
gio66
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 26 2010, 12:41) *
Campos' website has been taken down and is no longer working.


The same for me.
Gilles4Ever
http://www.camposmeta.com/

works fine for me
showtime
QUOTE (kenny @ Jan 26 2010, 12:46) *
It still works for me...

Really? ohwell.gif You're our news provider now tongue.gif
Augurk
QUOTE (Gilles4Ever @ Jan 26 2010, 12:56) *

Down here too though.
TheF1PERSON
Maybe, once they've got their shareholder, they'll make a proper website.
TheF1PERSON
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2010-...151006818_x.htm

Campos are likely to skip all preseason testing while sponsorship is sorted out.
William Hunt
http://www.camposmeta.com/

Still works here too
highdownforce
QUOTE (petercar41 @ Jan 26 2010, 05:31) *
good news for Campos to be announced soon

....it seems there is an agreement between Campos and Texeira to be announced soon.....Texeira will buy Carabantes (Carabante is Campos partner) shares and the team will not be named Capos Meta anymore as Meta is Carabantes company......Campos A1? Campos Racing?.... Team will stay in Valencia so is not moving to Murcia.....more news soon

http://www.lasprovincias.es/20100126/depor...r-20100126.html

There are some major reshuffles and news reported in this article. If correct:

1st - Teixeira buying Meta Image's share (Cabarantes' share), that changes the organization of the team deeply; New administration, new marketing and publicity departments, new share distribution with A. Campos, et cetera. Teixeira would bring at least € 20 million to Campos Racing.
2nd - As reported, Múrcia government's sponsorship money would only be released to Campos Racing after the team had signed a title or major sponsor. But the whole Múrcia deal may be scrapped as the link with Spanish province is Cabarantes.
3rd - Teixera's funding should supplement Meta Image and Múrcia investment. The team would keep its headquarters at Valencia (as today) intead of moving to the Parque Tecnológico de Fuente Álamo (Fuente Álamo, Múrcia).
4th - It's reported that Campos had already expanded Campos Racing sites in Alzira, Valencia.
5th - The chassis, supplied by Dallara, is done and it was (or will be) delivered to Alzira HQ. There, the car will be (re)assembled with the Cosworth's engine.
6th - The reasons behind Ecclestone's rants against Campos was the, at that time, possible involvement of Teixeira.
7th - An interested second driver needs to offer an amount of money starting between 5 and 10 millions (€).
PaulD.
from @f1scoop

"Dallara: We've given Campos a deadline to catch up on their late stage payments or we won't be delivering a car to them."
gio66
I am increasingly pessimistic.
highdownforce
QUOTE (PaulD. @ Jan 26 2010, 14:56) *
from @f1scoop

"Dallara: We've given Campos a deadline to catch up on their late stage payments or we won't be delivering a car to them."

Is that a brand new tweet? From today?
The Ragged Edge
I'm all for bettering yourself. up.gif I'm all for taking risks. up.gif I'm all for entrepreneurship. up.gif But you don't enter a multi-million pound a year sport on what ifs, maybe's and promises. Like I said in a previous post, it was obvious a long time ago, Campos was in financial trouble. Not securing the necessary funding(especially in todays financial climate) was always asking for trouble. The way the real world works, no respectable company is going to invest in Campos, with so much doubt hanging around the viability of the team. This is a classic example of somebody in over their head. Even Stefan GP is testing, what an indictment on the Campos operation. down.gif
Talryyn
QUOTE (The Ragged Edge @ Jan 26 2010, 11:21) *
I'm all for bettering yourself. up.gif I'm all for taking risks. up.gif I'm all for entrepreneurship. up.gif But you don't enter a multi-million pound a year sport on what ifs, maybe's and promises. Like I said in a previous post, it was obvious a long time ago, Campos was in financial trouble. Not securing the necessary funding(especially in todays financial climate) was always asking for trouble. The way the real world works, no respectable company is going to invest in Campos, with so much doubt hanging around the viability of the team. This is a classic example of somebody in over their head. Even Stefan GP is testing, what an indictment on the Campos operation. down.gif

Well Stefan GP testing and being able to race the car they are using for testing are two different things. If Campos fell out, Stefan would not be ready either. It is my understanding they are using a Toyota chassis with GP2 tires, or something weird to that effect.
PaulD.
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Jan 26 2010, 18:08) *
Is that a brand new tweet? From today?


yes about 8hours old...
highdownforce
QUOTE (PaulD. @ Jan 26 2010, 16:21) *
yes about 8hours old...

Did it came from that "tonyhackett" account, right?
Wouter
QUOTE (Talryyn @ Jan 26 2010, 18:41) *
Well Stefan GP testing and being able to race the car they are using for testing are two different things. If Campos fell out, Stefan would not be ready either. It is my understanding they are using a Toyota chassis with GP2 tires, or something weird to that effect.

The way I understand it, StefanGP would use the car ToyotaF1 designed for 2010. So it's actually quite likely to be a competitive car compared to the newcomers. If they would get in the actual F1, they would of course use the proper tyres on it.

I don't know if StefanGP's funding is any better than the alleged state of Campos' finances, though.
highdownforce
QUOTE (TheF1PERSON @ Jan 26 2010, 12:55) *
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/motor/2010-...151006818_x.htm

Campos are likely to skip all preseason testing while sponsorship is sorted out.


I've checked the Brazilian media and they're also reporting it.

From the above mentioned article:

QUOTE
"Bahrain is a test, it's not a first race for us."

QUOTE
"The cars are very advanced, we have a driver under contract and our intention is to be in Bahrain for the first race," Eisen told the Associated Press. "Everybody's worried and that's logical because the season is long and we're the new ones. But first things first, we want to be there with the best of everything, especially the cars."

QUOTE
"It's no secret that right now we are negotiating with investors and sponsors, especially on an international scale. But everything is going according to plan," Eisen said.

QUOTE
"Bruno (Senna) didn't come with cash and that's important. We've always wanted it like that from start," Eisen said. "Yes, it would bring a lot economically but our focus is to be ready. We can't compromise the cars in any way."

QUOTE
The team said it may not be able to announce Senna's driving partner until the eve of the Bahrain race.

This last bit worries me more. So, looks like it's a all or nothing situation right now.
And I guess that Petrov and Maldonado are out of the game for Campos.
senna da silva
I hope this all works out for Bruno's sake, I would hate for this to fall through!
Wouter
QUOTE (senna da silva @ Jan 26 2010, 22:15) *
I hope this all works out for Bruno's sake, I would hate for this to fall through!

The rather cryptic comments made by Whitmarsh about possibly scoping up a testing driver (to replace De La Rosa and aid Paffett, who has also DTM commitments) makes me wonder, when combined with the rumours about Campos' finances, if Mclaren is hoping to attract Senna as test driver in case Campos folds. This is what Whitmarsh said, while referring to the unstable conditions of (some) teams:
"I sense that there will be some drivers who think they are gainfully employed at the moment who may be available in the future."

Bouncing Pink Ball
It's looking worse and worse for Campos. I know that article says otherwise, but I find it hard to believe that having the second driver announcement possibly delayed until the eve of the Bahrain race is an example of a team where everything is "going according to plan"... ohwell.gif




rmac923
QUOTE (highdownforce @ Jan 26 2010, 15:20) *
I've checked the Brazilian media and they're also reporting it.

From the above mentioned article:






This last bit worries me more. So, looks like it's a all or nothing situation right now.
And I guess that Petrov and Maldonado are out of the game for Campos.


Well, Petrov can do better at Renault anyway. Maldonado isn't ready IMO, unless USF1 want to secure more money for the future.

Either way, this is looking really bleak. I still wish them the best of luck!
Nustang70
I don't think the situation is that bleak. Campos must be holding out in the hope that he can secure some other source of funding before the start of the season, without resorting to signing Maldonado. If he were desperate, he'd just sign Maldonado and be done with it.
pinnacle racing
They don't have enough money to test even just 1 car before Bahrain? Or is it the cars won't be ready til Bahrain?
senna da silva
QUOTE (pinnacle racing @ Jan 27 2010, 01:52) *
They don't have enough money to test even just 1 car before Bahrain? Or is it the cars won't be ready til Bahrain?


Dallara will not hand over the cars until they receive their money from Campos.
Talryyn
QUOTE (pinnacle racing @ Jan 26 2010, 19:52) *
They don't have enough money to test even just 1 car before Bahrain? Or is it the cars won't be ready til Bahrain?

Dallara is an outstanding builder, if they built a Championship winning car is another matter, but they usually build solid well designed cars. Dallara also has plenty of resources for building the cars, and as some posted earlier the cars are built (but then unbuilt) to be shipped to Campos. I am not sure if Campos would have to mount the engines, wire the cars, etc, etc. Or if they just take the varied bits and bolt them together with Dallara already having mounted the looms and steering rack, etc. I am not sure if the Cosworth engines went to Dallara or Campos.

Would it not be ironic if the car ends up looking like the GP2-11 though.
peroa
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-...be-1705468.html
Doesn't look really good.
Gilles4Ever
QUOTE (peroa @ Jan 27 2010, 10:30) *

wheel fairings? how old is that pic?
Patriot
too bad, they looked like a promising team
TheF1PERSON
You know, I think they made a mistake by signing Senna for free. It's got them into this trouble.
Captain Tightpants
If they're in this much trouble, surely they would have withdrawn their entry? I'm not doubting the legitimacy of these reports, but rather the commitment of Campos.
Muzzinho
I would have thought that Bernie would be desperate to have Senna on the grid. To the point where he would throw some money Campos's way to help them survive.

Didnt he invest a bit in Minardi when they were in bad finances.
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