No action can be taken if it is just a verbal agreement I believe

Not in most civilized countries, although somwhere in remote parts of Africa and Brazilian rainforest some tribes must still be doing their contracts verbally.

This is getting a bit OT, but atleast in Finland a verbal agreement is as good as written. With the exeption of real estates. The only problem is that you need to be able to prove that verbal agreement... But let's get back to HRT. I don't think arguing about some old trucks isn't exactly relevant right now.

I'm quite hopeful of their performance in Malaysia. A new front wing, and most importantly more track time should enable them to be much quicker. Let's just hope that they will have three trouble free practise sessions. Altough I have my doubts about that. They barely made the shake down in Melbourne so there could be some problems. Also the news that they are going to use a wind tunnel and actually develop their car during the season is a good sign. They are a small team, but they need to make the most of what they've got.

I just hope they pay up. (Sorry for the tone, HRT fans).

I expect with their 'reputation' now, however twisted by the press it is, they'd probably have to pay for the deal upfront. Also as a commercial wind tunnel and property of a rival racing team, the Brackley wind tunnel would probably need something taken upfront anyway rather than letting them use it in kind.

I don't think this is true. Verbal contacts can often be legally binding, they are just very hard to prove.

Please, don't talk about things you don't know!

Is France a civilized country for you? Because a verbal agreement is a contract there!

That's the entire point, if you cannot prove a contract exists -and the details of the terms and conditions- it's utterly useless. You are relying on goodwill, which is acceptable when helping out your friendly neighbor with some weekend DIY project, but not the way to do business.

It still doesn't stop a verbal contract being valid. For example if someone steals something, yet it can't be proven, the act of theft is still a crime.

You said a verbal agreement is not a contract 'in most civilized countries' when in fact it is. So the point you were making was wrong, sir

And by the way, Jackie Stewert raced for Tyrell for a number of years on a verbal contact. And they won F1 World Championships together.

I wonder why merc guys went in deal with HRT if it's true that they don't pay.

What about Frank Williams? Are they also being scammed by Carabante?

Cossworth?


All this guys are in F1 since ages and now, suddenly, are being cheated by HRT?

To file a complaint you'd have to give statements about the theft by showing signs of theft, and loss of any stolen object(s). What kind of shitty analogy did you just use to destroy your own argument.


BS. It's one of those historical artifacts carried in constitution of some silly countries, but the fact that no business in those countries ever use it shows that it is not valid option.


Yet the same Jackie Stewart did not sell his team to Ford with a verbal contract. Even a certified half-wit managed to learn some things over the years....the same cannot be said about some other people.

The new nose and FW won't be on the cars yet, Kolles only flew on with them a couple of hours ago.

You're right in saying that 99% of business contracts won't be oral, they will consist of written and agreed terms, but you're very wrong to say that an oral contract isn't valid. Provided it consists of the usual offer, acceptance, consideration and legal intention they are binding. Certainly by UK law, and i'm pretty sure it would be in Spanish law too although I don't know the particulars.

It does all depend on the facts though, none of which we really know at the moment. Hearing a statement from one party never gives the whole picture.


Back to HRT - have any teams/journlists confirmed their presence in malaysia yet?

Edit: just saw that Adam Cooper has confirmed they are there!

Look at www.sutton-images.com.

I didn't realise windtunnel time was so cheap - only €100 per hour !!!!.

At that price, I'm surprised that Virgin have decided to continue with CFD and havnt decided to try a windtunnel.

Well, I'm not a lawer but engineer often involved on the technical part of contracts either in france and in spain where the principles are pretty similar.

If I'm right the point concerning the spanish law is that the verbal agreement is not explicitly excluded neither allowed. They are, simply, not mentioned on the Law. You can then argue that they are valid but ... you can't prove that they exists

I wonder if the "contracts" with Williams, Mercedes, Cossworth and Tata are also verbal agreements

A Thousand apologies. Windtunnel time runs at €500 an hour. That equates to 600 hours of tunnel time. Again I apologise. I had a senior moment!

Via twitter 7 hours ago with no new nose

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Angel Baena (Ingeniero de Pista de Karthikeyan) protagonista del reportaje de TV en La Sexta http://fb.me/TeQ0N6BK

Again Colin Kolles only brought the FW and Nose (2011) with himself today a couple of hours ago.

The new front wing may yet arrive I suppose. Liuzzi for pole!

Its already there

Will they have to modify anything on the car (tub) to fit the new parts? AFAIK they had to do some quick and dirty surgery to fit the older parts in Melbourne.

I suppose the question is whether HRT cars will be in a position to participate in both practice sessions tomorrow?

All contracts are verbal. How do you reach an agreement without words?

Indeed, 99.999% of all contracts are oral/by performance. You buy a bag of crisps in the newsagent, that's a contract, nothing written down.

With the picture above it looks like Narain's car is ready.

Its just a matter of putting new nose cones and FW's on.

Well at least the car appears to be in one peice this time so hopefully the hrt lads might get some sleep tonight. I would personally love to see the hrt cars beating the virgins this year because i feel that the way in which the virgin team wants to operate defeats the point f1, they will just end up with a solution a computor will tell them is perfect

will the new nose and FW even be much different?

It's the same nose and FW at the reveal in Barcelona, worth around 1 second accordingly.

6 hrs to go for track time. Will HRT be the first one out in the track?

Thanks cbbcisace




Does look like quite a big change actually

Do they have the DRS for this race? Think they did not have it at Melbourne.

Yep should all be working ok on both cars.

What I have noticed this year, that both cars are equally, no better parts for the "pay driver"

after one race weekend....

Yep, things are better ran this year already.

Optimism is running through me!

What race weekend?!

Good god, those endplates are crying out for some curves. The outer module is fun, but the inner one is just a disaster. It actually has a 90 degree turn and a flat plane at the rear relative to the front of the car.

is that the same garage in both pictures? Did they remove monitors and speakers before switching the front wing?!

and I've not seen any pictures of Tonios car so far, is it going to be ready for the practice?

The first picture is from pre-season tests in Barcelona.

Have I gone mad, or is that new front wing missing some components and/or not quite symmetrical?

It's basically the first Brawn GP wing. This is quite a good base to go from, as they have a design path tracked out for them by Mercedes for future developments, plus they know that the wing worked in 2009.

okay, I just wondered, because it was posted on their facebook site today

After Practise 1, and 20 laps...

Webber 1:37.651
Liuzzi 1:45.228

+7.577 seconds
107.76 percent. Almost, but not quite there.

I was waiting for someone to work the 107% time out.... It can only improve from there!

Give them some time. This is effectively the first running of the 2011 car. Luizzi was doing a series of installation laps to search for setup. Karthikeyan had an oil leak. I don't know how hard they were pushing as the car looked extremely stable under braking and turn in and he was only using DRS on the pit straight. At least they have reliability( knock wood).

I have to say when it showed Karthikeyan in the last few seconds the car seems to be a lot better as you say under braking and turn it.

It's not that difficult. Webbers time is 1m37.651s. That's 97.652 seconds. Multiply this amount with 1,07. And you get 1.44.48...

Karthykaian just put a 1.43 in free practice 2...

HRT barely beat the 107% rule for FP2.