brabham bt50
Jul 16 2009, 17:36
- Currently only 8th in Renault World Series ( ! )
- Did only one ( ! ) GP2 test and was nowhere near the pace
- Only knows the Formula 1 car from 1 aerodynamic test at ( Kreisbahn/Ger ? ) airfield strip ? so far !
- Was so kind to actually damage the F1 car at his only Formula 1 aerodynamic test !
I Hungary the new STR 4 will debut, two rookies as it seems at the wheel, no reference !
Do they not want the points in F1 or what ?
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-...is-1355722.html
Pharazon
Jul 16 2009, 17:37
why they didn't sign takuma sato in the off season i don't know
TheArmchairCritic
Jul 16 2009, 17:38
What kind of damage?
Sato is always available. So then this is the answer. Go for Sato and see how Jamie develops.
Ross Stonefeld
Jul 16 2009, 18:00
I bet he knows how to spell Toro.
BMW_F1
Jul 16 2009, 18:04
I guess if he jumps on and matches Buemi from the get-go we would then know how easy are these cars to drive to any young aspiring open wheel driver..
sreevishnu
Jul 16 2009, 18:36
i dont think he will be anywhere near to what Bourdais achieved
this new guy with no experience at all
What is TR doing?
Its all money
ex Rhodie racer
Jul 16 2009, 18:52
QUOTE (sreevishnu @ Jul 16 2009, 18:36)

i dont think he will be anywhere near to what Bourdais achieved
this new guy with no experience at all
What is TR doing?
Its all money
Of course it is. Aren“t Repsol stumping up the ready?
fullcourseyellow
Jul 16 2009, 18:54
Strange decision, to say the least...
hunnylander
Jul 16 2009, 18:58
QUOTE (brabham bt50 @ Jul 16 2009, 19:36)

Do they not want the points in F1 or what ?
It's about money.
I hope the guy won't crash into a leader when lapped.
Ross Stonefeld
Jul 16 2009, 19:09
Hell wasnt Jos the last guy to do that?
William Hunt
Jul 16 2009, 19:22
The Repsol money probably has something to do with it but Alguersuari is an extremely talented driver; I think he will surprise many but for sure it was not a good decision to drop Bourdais. But then again: the Spaniard isn't officially confirmed yet; maybe Takuma Sato will still end up in the car.
QUOTE (brabham bt50 @ Jul 16 2009, 18:36)

- Currently only 8th in Renault World Series ( ! )
- Did only one ( ! ) GP2 test and was nowhere near the pace
- Only knows the Formula 1 car from 1 aerodynamic test at ( Kreisbahn/Ger ? ) airfield strip ? so far !
- Was so kind to actually damage the F1 car at his only Formula 1 aerodynamic test !
I Hungary the new STR 4 will debut, two rookies as it seems at the wheel, no reference !
Do they not want the points in F1 or what ?
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-...is-1355722.htmlBuemi had a crap prior to F1 season too. Never won a single seater championship, yet beat Bourdais who was 4 time champ car champion, (which just goes to show the level of competition).
Lets face it, anyone would beat Bourdais. Buemi hasn't done that well, but he looks great because of his team mate.
QUOTE (William Hunt @ Jul 16 2009, 20:22)

The Repsol money probably has something to do with it but Alguersuari is an extremely talented driver; I think he will surprise many but for sure it was not a good decision to drop Bourdais. But then again: the Spaniard isn't officially confirmed yet; maybe Takuma Sato will still end up in the car.
I'm willing to bet by season's end, Alguersuari will be held in a different light by the majority of the doom mongers that loiter the Internet at the moment. Nothing amazing, but at the same time, not as woeful as most are making out before he's even set foot into the STR4.
Ross Stonefeld
Jul 16 2009, 19:40
The perfect balance to Piquet.
JensonF1
Jul 16 2009, 19:42
Why not just try a different driver at each race?
That way Torro Rosso will accelerate their attempt to find the next Alonso. Maybe one of them might even come with a juicy sponsorship deal?
I hear Alguersuari knows Hungary well. He went there with his mum and dad on holiday last year.
J-Raid
Jul 16 2009, 19:44
Actually he has 300km in a F1 under his belt, straight line tests excluded. They were in Portimao and Idiada's facilities.
Today he had a straight line test in Vairano.
Not much, but don't shoot before you see him in action. This boy has lot of talent (have been tracking him since he was 14, back in his karting times), and with some experience he will show his pace. Back then he participated in an event joining all the the leading Spanish racers, excepting ALonso, and despite being the youngest he won one of the races and finished on the podium in the other one.
He 's very mature and intelligent for his age, too.
As well, he has raced before in all the European's tracks left in the F1 season.
Testing one driver on each race would be useless, as to see the driver's quality and consistency you need at least 3 races, if not more.
Seanspeed
Jul 16 2009, 19:44
QUOTE (JensonF1 @ Jul 16 2009, 20:42)

Why not just try a different driver at each race?
That way Torro Rosso will accelerate their attempt to find the next Alonso. Maybe one of them might even come with a juicy sponsorship deal?
I hear Alguersuari knows Hungary well. He went there with his mum and dad on holiday last year.
I believe he's raced at all the European circuits left on this year's calendar.
Chubby_Deuce
Jul 16 2009, 20:18
QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 16 2009, 12:30)

Buemi had a crap prior to F1 season too.
Just one? I hope he's seen a doctor.
postajegenye
Jul 16 2009, 20:18
QUOTE (JensonF1 @ Jul 16 2009, 21:42)

I hear Alguersuari knows Hungary well. He went there with his mum and dad on holiday last year.
Nah, he raced at the Hungaroring just a month ago.
Atreiu
Jul 16 2009, 20:22
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Jul 16 2009, 16:09)

Hell wasnt Jos the last guy to do that?
Does Montoya hitting Schumacher at Monaco 2004 count? Even with a stop less, Schumi was leading.
OfficeLinebacker
Jul 16 2009, 23:23
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Jul 16 2009, 16:22)

Does Montoya hitting Schumacher at Monaco 2004 count? Even with a stop less, Schumi was leading.

Good point.
Don't some people thing Schumacher was partially to blame or something? Like he slowed down drastically or something?
Anyway yeah Montoya was involved in an incident with the leader, good point.
Maybe Ross and hunnylander meant last backmarker to collide with the leader?
OfficeLinebacker
Jul 16 2009, 23:23
QUOTE (Chubby_Deuce @ Jul 16 2009, 16:18)

Just one? I hope he's seen a doctor.
LOL!
Sorta the opposite of Kimi and his nice light car on the grid a couple years ago.
Clatter
Jul 16 2009, 23:28
QUOTE (JensonF1 @ Jul 16 2009, 20:42)

Why not just try a different driver at each race?
Because the rules don't allow it. They can use no more than 4 drivers in a season.
Mauseri
Jul 16 2009, 23:29
Aldeguessari is there for the same reason why Sauber parted ways with Red Bull: Red Bull influenced driver choices with their money.
I always despise teams which let sponsors, such as Red Bull affect their driver choice. The Red Bull team itself is ok and has it's merits, but the Red Bull junior programmes of bringing average drivers in F1 and then dumping them - blaaah
OfficeLinebacker
Jul 16 2009, 23:30
QUOTE (Clatter @ Jul 16 2009, 19:28)

Because the rules don't allow it. They can use no more than 4 drivers in a season.
I think it would be OK for Toro Rosso to try out three new drivers in a rotating way until the end of the season.
Two races each, then the driver who does best in his two races gets the last two. If two of the drivers are close, then they each get one of the last two.
Clatter
Jul 16 2009, 23:32
QUOTE (OfficeLinebacker @ Jul 17 2009, 00:30)

I think it would be OK for Toro Rosso to try out three new drivers in a rotating way until the end of the season.
Two races each, then the driver who does best in his two races gets the last two. If two of the drivers are close, then they each get one of the last two.
But it wouldn't be OK. They have used 2 drivers already, therefore they can only use 2 more.
OfficeLinebacker
Jul 16 2009, 23:51
QUOTE (Clatter @ Jul 16 2009, 19:32)

But it wouldn't be OK. They have used 2 drivers already, therefore they can only use 2 more.
OOOOOH I thought you meant four drivers per CAR, not per TEAM.
Ok I see then, Alguersuari for four races and Loeb for four races would be the way to go then.
Someone from Toro Rosso, you can PM me for contact info as far as where to send the check.
;)
Suntrek
Jul 16 2009, 23:56
QUOTE (Aston @ Jul 16 2009, 21:30)

Buemi had a crap prior to F1 season too. Never won a single seater championship, yet beat Bourdais who was 4 time champ car champion, (which just goes to show the level of competition).
Lets face it, anyone would beat Bourdais. Buemi hasn't done that well, but he looks great because of his team mate.
Right.
So give Alguersuari a chance!
If he does worse than Bourdais - feel free to let the bashing begin - but hold the horses just yet until he's done at least ONE (1) race.
Chubby_Deuce
Jul 17 2009, 01:16
Okay (OK).
slideways
Jul 17 2009, 01:23
QUOTE (Ross Stonefeld @ Jul 16 2009, 20:09)

Hell wasnt Jos the last guy to do that?
I think it was Raikkonen and Luizzi?
PassWind
Jul 17 2009, 01:31
QUOTE (micra_k10 @ Jul 16 2009, 23:29)

The Red Bull team itself is ok and has it's merits, but the Red Bull junior programmes of bringing average drivers in F1 and then dumping them - blaaah

So what advantage does Red Bull gain from doing as you imply?
stevewf1
Jul 17 2009, 01:39
QUOTE (Atreiu @ Jul 16 2009, 16:22)

Does Montoya hitting Schumacher at Monaco 2004 count? Even with a stop less, Schumi was leading.

That was Schumacher's fault...
Chubby_Deuce
Jul 17 2009, 01:59
Everything is Schumacher's fault.
slideways
Jul 17 2009, 02:07
At the time it was widely accepted that doing burnouts/heavy braking around the blind corner in the tunnel was not exactly genius behaviour.
Captain Tightpants
Jul 17 2009, 02:17
QUOTE (Pharazon @ Jul 17 2009, 03:37)

why they didn't sign takuma sato in the off season i don't know
Simple: they needed continuity from one season to the next. Vettel was out, Buemi in and at the time, it looked like the team was going to be sold for 2010.
Besides, Sato wasn't that great anyway. One pass on Alonso in a Super Aguri was all he had going for him; during his time with BAR he scored one point to Button's thirty-seven.
OfficeLinebacker
Jul 17 2009, 03:32
QUOTE (Chubby_Deuce @ Jul 16 2009, 21:59)

Everything is Schumacher's fault.
Pretty much sums up the history of the world.
9/11===Schuey's fault
Bad racing===Schuey's fault
Iraq war==Shuey's fault
Jimisgod
Jul 17 2009, 05:03
QUOTE (slideways @ Jul 17 2009, 11:23)

I think it was Raikkonen and Luizzi?
No, that was a leader hitting a backmarker
Please, please, it's TORO Rosso, not TORRO Rosso.
Buckethead
Jul 17 2009, 07:27
The thing with Buemi is that he drove the old car aaaaaaall winter. This guy isn't allowed to do that.
QUOTE (One @ Jul 16 2009, 17:59)

Sato is always available. So then this is the answer. Go for Sato and see how Jamie develops.
It's Jaime (James in spanish) not Jamie.
Let's see how Jamie will perform with Torro Rossso. Testing ban agains shows it stupidity
Youichi
Jul 17 2009, 07:59
QUOTE (micra_k10 @ Jul 17 2009, 00:29)

Aldeguessari is there for the same reason why Sauber parted ways with Red Bull: Red Bull influenced driver choices with their money.
I always despise teams which let sponsors, such as Red Bull affect their driver choice. The Red Bull team itself is ok and has it's merits, but the Red Bull junior programmes of bringing average drivers in F1 and then dumping them - blaaah

The team owner is choosing the drivers........
Jedi_F1
Jul 17 2009, 08:03
QUOTE (K-One @ Jul 17 2009, 07:30)

Testing ban agains shows it stupidity
Except the huge money the teams are saving this year...
QUOTE (Jedi_F1 @ Jul 17 2009, 00:03)

Except the huge money the teams are saving this year...
Are they saving? Constant rules changes, developing KERS. At least young drivers should be allowed to test
brabhamBT19
Jul 17 2009, 08:49
QUOTE (slideways @ Jul 17 2009, 03:23)

I think it was Raikkonen and Luizzi?
and it was in hungary and Liuzz was driving toro rosso
harrows
Jul 17 2009, 09:08
QUOTE (4MEN @ Jul 17 2009, 08:28)

It's Jaime (James in spanish) not Jamie.
I'll to stick to Jamie. Not very keen on following a tradition that came about because some inbred royal couldn't speak properly.
Ross Stonefeld
Jul 17 2009, 09:12
But it's not Jamie, it's spelled and pronounced Jaime.
Rinehart
Jul 17 2009, 09:38
I'll be stunned if this kid is anything other than off the pace in Hungary, given his experience and the testing ban. I'm suprised he's been given a super license quite frankly.
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