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Atreiu
QUOTE (SpeedRacer` @ Jul 25 2009, 11:26) *
Jacques Villeneuve for replacement if he is not ready for Valencia?


I LOLed, for real.
Anomnader
QUOTE (Touti @ Jul 25 2009, 15:27) *
It's got nothing to do with points. By regulations teams must race two cars at every event, if Massa can't drive the next race Ferrari has to put someone else in the car.


Really? I've seen team withdraw a car or driver before?
Radoye
QUOTE (Natalia @ Jul 25 2009, 10:24) *
Can anyone please indicate the article in Sports Regs saying you cannot change driver after qualy? All I found is what other people already posted: 19.1 Additional changes for reasons of force majeure will be considered separately.

Additional changes as in allowing a team to use more than 4 drivers in a whole season.

For a race weekend, once quali starts, the driver entries are locked and there can be no replacements.
Jambo
For example Williams in 94 didn't have a second car at the following race.
SpeedRacer`
QUOTE (Jambo @ Jul 25 2009, 15:29) *
For example Williams in 94 didn't have a second car at the following race.

That was because Senna died, which is wholly understandable. Massa is at least alive and probably (hopefully) going to be fully ok, so its not really the same circumstance.
Anomnader
QUOTE (Insane111 @ Jul 25 2009, 15:25) *
Was extremely worried when I saw him not moving from the car, and when I saw the straight skidlines from before the corner. Seemed almost identical to the tragic incident last week, albeit showing that he'd at least managed to brake the car somewhat.

The picture is quite shocking, but I'm delighted to hear he's at least conscious and talking. Hope he's back and racing soon.

These incidents seem to have an awful London Bus like frequency rate, lets hope this is the last of them..


Indeed, it looks very bad, but thankful it doesn't seem to be life threatening or hopefully long term injury.
engel
QUOTE (Jambo @ Jul 25 2009, 14:29) *
For example Williams in 94 didn't have a second car at the following race.

neither did Simtek
Max!
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jul 25 2009, 16:15) *
I think the visors are extremely strong these days, and are designed to withstand exactly this kind of impact without penetration.


More information
Before the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) grants its approval for a helmet, it has to pass a number of different crash tests. During the so-called 'penetration test' a 3kg, pointed metal object is dropped from a height of three metres onto the helmet, which must remain unruptured. The helmet's secure fit is also tested. Subjected to a load of 38kg, the chin strap may not stretch by more than 30mm. The visor is bombarded with projectiles travelling at approximately 500km/h. The points of impact may be no deeper than 2.5mm. Last but not least, the helmet is subjected to an 800°C flame for 45 seconds in the fire test. During this time, temperatures inside the helmet may not exceed 70°C.
Dolph
QUOTE (Wolbo @ Jul 25 2009, 17:12) *
As nasty as the photo looks Massa is extremely lucky it didn't hit him e few centimeters lower or it would very likely have been fatal. Scary.


I think that applies to the number of four drivers.
potmotr
James Allen says on Twitter: Massa out of GP but lucky to be alive

I'd like to read more but his website has crashed.
dutra
QUOTE (Jambo @ Jul 25 2009, 11:29) *
For example Williams in 94 didn't have a second car at the following race.


Simtek also used only 1 car in monaco and even in Canada because Montermini's crash at Spain.
Atreiu
QUOTE (Max! @ Jul 25 2009, 11:32) *
More information
Before the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) grants its approval for a helmet, it has to pass a number of different crash tests. During the so-called 'penetration test' a 3kg, pointed metal object is dropped from a height of three metres onto the helmet, which must remain unruptured. The helmet's secure fit is also tested. Subjected to a load of 38kg, the chin strap may not stretch by more than 30mm. The visor is bombarded with projectiles travelling at approximately 500km/h. The points of impact may be no deeper than 2.5mm. Last but not least, the helmet is subjected to an 800°C flame for 45 seconds in the fire test. During this time, temperatures inside the helmet may not exceed 70°C.


Seems appropriate.
Better safe than sorry.
Crazy Ninja
That pic is crazy. Its obviously scared the hell outta him.
Hopefully there isnt much damage and he's back racing soon.
onegearbroken
QUOTE (pRy @ Jul 25 2009, 09:52) *
Photo of his helmet and the cut to his head, don't look if you don't like blood.

http://img.mtv3.fi/mn_kuvat/mtv3/urheilu/f...2009/755343.jpg


OH mannn i spotted that thing hit his head the first replay, its was horrible hit, had NO CLUE it was this bad, how did it even get in and hit his forehead?? man scary stuff, reminded me of arytons crash too. lets hope and pray hes ok for the future races. Ferrari were looking pretty decent too...
hobbes
Feel really sorry for Massa, i hope he gets well soon. Even though this was very unlikely to happen, shouldn't teams get penalised when parts come off their cars? I know it happens often and usually nothing happens and i know that it's not really Rubens fault but look what happened to Massa.
Dolph
QUOTE (SpeedRacer` @ Jul 25 2009, 17:30) *
That was because Senna died, which is wholly understandable. Massa is at least alive and probably (hopefully) going to be fully ok, so its not really the same circumstance.


Yes, they must force Massa to drive because he is not dead.
HP
QUOTE (Max! @ Jul 25 2009, 22:32) *
More information
Before the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) grants its approval for a helmet, it has to pass a number of different crash tests. During the so-called 'penetration test' a 3kg, pointed metal object is dropped from a height of three metres onto the helmet, which must remain unruptured. The helmet's secure fit is also tested. Subjected to a load of 38kg, the chin strap may not stretch by more than 30mm. The visor is bombarded with projectiles travelling at approximately 500km/h. The points of impact may be no deeper than 2.5mm. Last but not least, the helmet is subjected to an 800°C flame for 45 seconds in the fire test. During this time, temperatures inside the helmet may not exceed 70°C.

Seems the visor is stronger than the part just above.
D.M.N.
James Allen says Massa is definitely out of tomorrow's race.
evo.x
respect and sorry for Felipe.
but who's gonna drive tomorrow? Badoer?
onegearbroken
QUOTE (Mika Mika @ Jul 25 2009, 10:03) *
Thank god he's okay thou......


i agree...
Dolph
Nobody will drive Massa's Ferrari tomorrow because Massa qualified the car and someone else hasn't. It's as simple as that!
TheManAlive
QUOTE (hobbes @ Jul 25 2009, 15:36) *
Feel really sorry for Massa, i hope he gets well soon. Even though this was very unlikely to happen, shouldn't teams get penalised when parts come off their cars? I know it happens often and usually nothing happens and i know that it's not really Rubens fault but look what happened to Massa.



Kimis car in France, last year with the exhaust hanging off should have been black flagged, for sure as he was circulating with a very dangerous car. In this case though, I dont think they should issue a penalty. All these cars are prototypes and now very much untested, there are going to be failures. If Rubens had kept running and ignored the fact bits were falling off, that would be a different matter.
Atreiu
Tomorrow, nobody will drive in his place.
That's clear.
Fudce
QUOTE (evo.x @ Jul 25 2009, 15:37) *
respect and sorry for Felipe.
but who's gonna drive tomorrow? Badoer?

Nobody. Felipe Massa qualifed, but will not be taking the start. They can't change drivers, plus it'd be impossible anyway given that they'd have no time to set the car up.
VicR
QUOTE (evo.x @ Jul 25 2009, 16:37) *
respect and sorry for Felipe.
but who's gonna drive tomorrow? Badoer?


I guess, if it's allowed (force majeure and up to the FiA), it would be logical to use Luca or Marc. I guess one of them would have to start from the pitlane.
Max!
The accident:
hobbes
QUOTE (TheManAlive @ Jul 25 2009, 15:39) *
Kimis car in France, last year with the exhaust hanging off should have been black flagged, for sure as he was circulating with a very dangerous car. In this case though, I dont think they should issue a penalty. All these cars are prototypes and now very much untested, there are going to be failures. If Rubens had kept running and ignored the fact bits were falling off, that would be a different matter.


Well that makes sense and i agree that Kimi's situation was very dangerous. I bet that if it had happened tomorrow, he wouldn't be allowed to continue his race after what happened this past week. Well the important thing is that Massa should be okay, but it is still very unfair. It almost killed him and less importantly, it ruined his race
BRK
That's not a coil,is it? How can you lose a spring and stay on track?
vashlin
There was speculation on Speed that what hit Massa was a spring from the rear of Barrichello's car. Possibly the heavy duty "heave" spring. Can anyone confirm this?

That would be fairly heavy and would bounce obviously. Such a freak thing!
kosmos
QUOTE
how did it even get in and hit his forehead??


I'm curious too, I wonder if we will have the chance to see a closer pic of the helmet.
Flexa
dutra
you guys remember that on board camera from alesi's car that fell off and hitted front suspension of berger's car at monza in 1995? pretty similar...
SpeedRacer`
QUOTE (hobbes @ Jul 25 2009, 15:36) *
Feel really sorry for Massa, i hope he gets well soon. Even though this was very unlikely to happen, shouldn't teams get penalised when parts come off their cars? I know it happens often and usually nothing happens and i know that it's not really Rubens fault but look what happened to Massa.

Umm... what? I was saying Ferrari shouldn't run with one car at the following race like Williams did in 94 because it's not the same circumstance.

And also, I did not say Massa should be in the car ohwell.gif

Please learn to read posts correctly before criticising them.
Fudce
Is that two seperate items hitting him? I saw the big one on the TV, but the smaller one I didn't see. It could explain the injury if it's two items in quick succession.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (HP @ Jul 25 2009, 10:37) *
Seems the visor is stronger than the part just above.

The thing is it doesn't state the size and mass of the projectiles. It could be a sand blaster for all we know.
dutra
QUOTE (Fudce @ Jul 25 2009, 11:39) *
Nobody. Felipe Massa qualifed, but will not be taking the start. They can't change drivers, plus it'd be impossible anyway given that they'd have no time to set the car up.


Belmondo still DNQ for imola in 1994 even with roland's crash.
onegearbroken
QUOTE (Flexa @ Jul 25 2009, 10:43) *


Massa was already off the throttle, amazing reaction time considering, nothing but respect for him.Feel sorry for him too, hope he recovers fast, his family was there at the GP too, they must've been really freaked.
bogi
Massa injuries looks same as Senna 1994
Insane111
QUOTE (Crazy Ninja @ Jul 25 2009, 15:35) *
That pic is crazy. Its obviously scared the hell outta him.
Hopefully there isnt much damage and he's back racing soon.


Someone mentioned he might be unconscious in that pic, and it certainly looks as if he's not all there, and he's being carried as well.
OfficeLinebacker
QUOTE (Fudce @ Jul 25 2009, 10:46) *
Is that two seperate items hitting him? I saw the big one on the TV, but the smaller one I didn't see. It could explain the injury if it's two items in quick succession.


No it's two frames from the video feed showing it approaching his face.
hobbes
QUOTE (SpeedRacer` @ Jul 25 2009, 15:46) *
Umm... what? I was saying Ferrari shouldn't run with one car at the following race like Williams did in 94 because it's not the same circumstance.

And also, I did not say Massa should be in the car ohwell.gif

Please learn to read posts correctly before criticising them.



SpeedRacer, i have no idea what you posted and i had no intention of replying to you! If what i said wasn't clear enough then forgive me, but i have no idea what you are talking about smile.gif
evo.x
QUOTE (onegearbroken @ Jul 25 2009, 09:38) *
i agree...


BS.
they have the right to submit TWO cars to the race. who will be driving the second one?
gindan
In light of what we have seen the last 2 weekends, someone seems to be trying tell us something. Maybe it's time for a canopy like the F1 boats.
Victor_RO
QUOTE (evo.x @ Jul 25 2009, 17:51) *
BS.
they have the right to submit TWO cars to the race. who will be driving the second one?


The last time a Ferrari driver was injured but recovered quickly, Ferrari fielded one car for the race in-between.

I'm talking about Berger's crash in Imola in '89. He missed only Monaco, and Ferrari ran only one car there.
TinyJim
QUOTE (gindan @ Jul 25 2009, 15:52) *
In light of what we have seen the last 2 weekends, someone seems to be trying tell us something. Maybe it's time for a canopy like the F1 boats.


F1 boats don't catch fire tho!
christoff
QUOTE (engel @ Jul 25 2009, 13:32) *
neither did Simtek


Something we forget so easily
RSNS
This was an appalling accident. When I saw the car into the wall I saw that the helmet was not moving and realized Massa was unconscious. It did bring horrible memories to me. Then I saw the first on board replay I thought Massa might have had a heart attack or something: he seemed unconscious. I was horrified.

I would have felt that with any other driver, but in fact I very deeply respect Felipe Massa. He matured well, he has pushed himself into one of the fastest drivers on the grid, but foremost he is gracious in defeat and in victory. He seems a thoroughly nice guy.

Both Alonso and Vettel mentioned Massa when they spoke in their own languages. I liked that. Webber didn't, probably because he was answering a direct question (but I think Webber is a nice bloke).

I really hope all will be well with Felipe Massa and wish to send my deepest sympathy to him and his family.
VicR
In reality it's all up to the FiA and Ferrari if they put someone in that car tomorrow. If they agree, it will probably be done. Bernie certainly wants it.

Marc Gene was doing the straight line test at Vairano.
umapathypon
I hope he gets better soon. It must have been really hard for his pregnant wife.
Victor_RO
QUOTE (evo.x @ Jul 25 2009, 17:56) *
will there be only one ferrari tomorow? or two - if so - who will drive it?


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