My ow my ow my ow my ow my ... Massa, you must have an angel on your shoulder, i cant stop thinking about it if that piece of trash was a little bit lower.

Hope you recover soon!

Well, anyway Massa's season is now certainly done.

Its currently going off on he Sky News ticker on TV.

I remember Mika Hakkinen beeing warned after is 2001 australia accident, that another crush like that would probabily kill him. That was one of the reason that made him quit in the end of the year.

Sorry, just saw the other posts, I just want to add, the whole 'serious and life threatening but stable' always worries me. That is always something that is said when someone is in very real danger and they are unsure of whether they are going to pull through it. I don't want it to be true, but its clear they are holding back otherwise they'd not send such mixed signals.

The lack of talk from Ferrari and the FIA just makes me feel worse about what may be happening.

I can't take this anymore...

For those who speak french.

http://www.la-croix.com/afp.static/pages/0...43.zeyqclfe.htm


And for those who don't it says that he was put onto a "respirateur artificiel" (the machine that help one breathe) after the surgery, that his condition is serious but stable. He under anesthesia and will be woken up on sunday morning.

I wouldnt jump the gun until an official statement from the hopsital, Ferrari, Felipe's management/friends are released.
Im sticking by what Autosport's site is saying as that's definite and true news. No point getting too worried till we hear more.
I trust Autosport more than Sky Sports News

http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/racing/f1/ne...tory?id=4355374

Just posted on ESPN...

James Allen's tweet says to ingore the AP and Sky News reports..

In hindsight it´s easy to be smart

The fact is there are lots of potential problems that can lead to freak accidents. Open cockpit mean the driver can get hit by tyre, debris, another car (we´ve had several close calls during recent years) or safety barrier (see Viso/GP2).

What lots of people forget is majority of dangerous crashes - the ones that caused death or injury - have been caused by mechanical failures. Tyres...brakes...suspension...wings, you name it. Heck, Rubens losing suspension part was one. That is direct result of technological competition, leading to cars being built "on the edge", in terms of reliability.

Think about it. Mika Häkkinen/Adelaide, Michael Schumacher/Silverstone, Heikki Kovalainen/Hungaroring, Ralph Firman/Hungaroring, Ralf Schumacher/Indianapolis. Not to forget black weekend in 1994...

Let´s not start the hypocrite game again; you know, "we must never compromise safety", etc. It´s BS. We all do that. I don´t see anybody demanding closed cockpits, 500m run-off areas or speed limiters.

The fact is, without changing F1 completely, fatal accident will happen sooner or later.

Let´s be happy it didn´t happen today.

Thanks for that Sergino, it's good to hear some info from the horse's mouth so to speak.

It will be a strange GP tomorrow if there are still clouds over Felipe's situation.

It's already been quoted by Associated Press (AP). So consider it true.

it called the Ventilator
usually when this is used its really serious cos the brain cannot make the lungs work,
but it is also used in conditions after some Major operations.....cos the anesthesia would have shut down the respiratory centres in the brain
i hope its the second one....in that case he will recover

Let's pray for that.

who cares about the season. May he be next year, or if it's not possible may he live happy and many years. He can drive sports cars, rally, DTM, or became a commentator, Ferrari embassador, whatever. As long as he gets well.

Have you ever been hit in the head? Or knocked out from an accident? Your mind tries to perform what is called, First Recovery, if it is active. Hitting the brakes would have been the first thing he may have thought to do. Plus he also may have been trying to then save the car. I have seen many F1 accidents where the driver doesn't let go of the wheel.

Sky Sports News, Sky News and BBC News are running it as Breaking News.

"life threatening, but stable" condition.

I think if this would be the case they would certainly use the word 'critical'...

i assume this is what the doctor said ...

"Medical director Peter Bazso said at a news conference that "Massa's condition is serious, life-threatening but stable." Bazso and chief surgeon Lajos Zsiros said they expect Massa to be awoken on Sunday." ...

we have heard 'stable' before ... thats what he says too .

I will certainly pray for him.

Think about it like this. If he was completely knocked out, he may not be with us anymore because the impact may have caused more damage.

Have to agree with Rubens. I've been watching racing long enough to know that things tend to happen in waves for some reason, as if someone is sending a message. You knew it would take a serious moment in F1 to get people thinking about this. Let's hope this is the last message.

I just got home and i hear that Felipe is serious condition I thought it wasnt this serious and i really hope he pulls through.Im an atheist,but tonight i pray for Felipe.

I joked because I thought it was no worse than getting hit by a hockey puck and having your orbital bone broken along with a concussion like maybe the tough guy hit you with his bare fist on the eye socket but it is worse because of the hit into the tires at 160mph. I'm a bit worried for Massa now and I think his year is done.

The problem is, like some people will know, brain injuries and skull fractures can seem ok one minute and bad the next. It can change rapidly, even when it seems like the operation and treatment has been a success. I don't know what to think.

I know James said not to believe what we are reading, but does he know for sure what is going on? Surely the only people who would know would be the doctors, Felipe's family and maybe the Ferrari team.

Disturbing reports right now.

Hoping he makes a full-recovery. But it's looking more and more serious right now.

Allen certainly seems to have more connections, and he's probably following proceedings at the track.

I wouldn't bet against Sky sports making sh*t up, it's happened plenty times before

I want to get something from my back, i really cant believe what im reading ... some people find it more important who is going to drive in Massa's car / place rather then asking the question how Massa is doing? That is just nasty, just plain nasty ...

Yes, god forbid they make the racing safer . The first thing the insurance companies are going to do is give Max a ring and say, "hey, why the sudden rash of incidents like this, the premiums will have to be raised unless it can be mitigated" and they will act. Simple solution is the canopy that is used in F1 boats.

Have any of you actually seen the video with sound,? he didnt brake at all... His is slumped and he was a passenger.

BUDAPEST, Hungary -- Hospital officials said Formula One driver Felipe Massa is in "life-threatening" condition after undergoing surgery for a fractured skull from a high-speed crash at Hungarian Grand Prix qualifying.

Officials at the AEK military hospital said Saturday that Massa will be kept sedated on a respirator in an intensive care unit.

Medical director Peter Bazso said at a news conference that "Massa's condition is serious, life-threatening but stable."

Bazso and chief surgeon Lajos Zsiros say they expect Massa to be awoken Sunday.

The 28-year-old Brazilian had surgery one hour after arriving at the hospital, the doctors said.

The crash occurred Saturday after a spring had fallen off another car and flew up and struck Massa in the helmet. An apparently dazed Massa continued driving over a curb and across the track. He went through the gravel area alongside the Formula One circuit before striking a tire-lined barrier.

The impact of the rear suspension part -- a standard component that Brawn GP team principal Ross Brawn believed was made of steel -- damaged the left side of Massa's helmet, ripping out the visor and leaving a long dent on its side. Blood was seen above Massa's left eye.

I can recommend a Hungarian news site, here is the latest report:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev...te0=&swap=1

It wouldn't be Sky, it would be AP.

True, but they are not the only news source running it. Most are now running the story.

Again, I know Allen has sources, but if he knew for sure that Massa was ok and out of real danger, in terms of it being fatal, surely the hospital doctors would have been more reassuring and not said what they had said?

No offense to Allen, but I'll believe news sources, who are generally careful on things like this, over one person.

The important thing this weekend in F1 is that Felipe Massa recovers to full health. The F1 championship, the fight between the Brawn and Red Bull drivers along with tomorrow's race is very insignificant right now.
I had to do work this evening and I just couldn't get Felipe from my mind even though the news then wasn't as bad as now, just want the news to be good for him and his family and friends.
Too much sadness in motorsports recently, we don't need more.

Presuming that's a desireable solution (which I don't think it is) it is not a simple soution...and creates a whole set of other dangerous problems (i.e. drivers being trapped in an overturned car. The canopy becoming dislodged or torqued in impact an wreaking havoc to the driver area.

doctors are always over-cautious in making statements

as previously pointed out by others, it takes a considerable amount of time to determine the extent and seriousness of a head injury

Where did the break marks come from then? I have never driven a F1 car but from what I understand you don't just make them by leaning your foot against the break pedal, you have to put some force behind it.

/Viktor

As Massa was floating on the edge of Conciousness his legs relaxed and fortunately pressed on the brake as opposed tothe throttle.

What a strange and amazing crash. I'm happy Massa's alive and will return, unlike the unfortunate Surtees Jr. You just can't predict
the weird accidents and strange twists of our sport.
I'd like to understand if the spring penetrated the visor and impacted his skull or if it was a helmet bounce off. Man,
everything from basal skull fractures (think Earnhardt Sr.) to "he'll be back tomorrow."
I wonder if there's a movement to "de-safety" helmets in the name of lightness? A bouncing spring
is very different from the fence pole that killed Mark Donohue.
I suspect he might be out a good number of races and possibly even the rest of the year.
I reckon they'd better call Mikey. He's no doubt ready and able. Willing is another question.

The minute I saw the track marshall cross his arms (requesting a stretcher) you knew it was not good. I was a little surprised to hear he was fine after seeing the image that was posted here. Best wishes to the Massa family, not much good that will do of course but he's a young man and hopefully pulls through.

Everything reminds me of last weekend's Surtees incident. The news are getting worse all the time.

News now is that his condition is "life-threatening but stable."

just popping up everywhere now life threatening condition on associated press news.

hope massa makes a full recovery.

He clearly does break to some extent otherwise why would the tyres lay down rubber? If you listen he clearly lifts from full throttle and is applying some (but not full) pressure to both pedals hence the revs once he's stopped. Brundle thought he had down shifted but I think that's just the change in RPM as the wheels bounce over the curbs. He's defiantly knocked out or very dazed, his hands come off the wheel like a rag doll, normally in this sort of crash you can see the drivers pushing against the G forces as they move their hands off the wheel.

I really hope he's ok and the reports we're hearing are just the result of his doctors being extra cautious.

Pull through Felipe! Jesus, this can't be happening...

I think AP are quite correctly stating that the operation was a success but during recovery its a life threatening but stable situation - as would be expected after any major surgery.

Obviously with a head injury there is the chance for complications so we shouldn't be complacent and hope for the best. But Sky News appear to be sensationalizing it with their 'fighting for his life' wording.

I'm shocked at how long it appeared to take the marshals to react and medical assistance to arrive at the scene. Hey Bernie, Silverstone might not be the hospitality heaven you crave - but at least the staff no what they're doing!

Seconded, you knew the crossed arms meant bad news, but hopefully he'll recover fully as soon as possible.