potmotr
Jul 28 2009, 11:54
This just been posted on the Autosport photo gallery for British F3 at Spa.
Apparently from the cockpit of a chap named Esteban Gutierrez.
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Jul 27 2009, 20:09)

Was Karthikeyan a Hindu when in F1? Not sure about the holy days in Hindu.
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NO such days exist. Hindu's worship continually and do not rest from work. Hindu's may go everyday or never. Thus it is not a requirement.
Compare to the given commandment of GOD in the holy bible where Sunday (christians) saturday (Jewish) are commanded not to work and to come together as one for lifting each other in prayer and spirit by worshipping Lord Jesus Christ.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_day_of_the...e_Hindu_Sabbath
Alfisti
Jul 28 2009, 15:11
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jul 28 2009, 13:54)

This just been posted on the Autosport photo gallery for British F3 at Spa.
Apparently from the cockpit of a chap named Esteban Gutierrez.

Surely he should have St Joseph in the car if anything? Hang on is it Joseph or Christopher that protects one from harm?
rolf123
Jul 28 2009, 15:22
Even if the British drivers may have been christened when young, have occasionally attended church in childhood, very few British people are religious. Compared to the grip of Catholicism in Latin America, Christianity barely gets a look-in these days in the UK.
I would be very surprised to hear if Jenson Button or Lewis Hamilton prays, for example.
Slackbladder
Jul 28 2009, 15:33
QUOTE (rolf123 @ Jul 28 2009, 16:22)

Even if the British drivers may have been christened when young, have occasionally attended church in childhood, very few British people are religious. Compared to the grip of Catholicism in Latin America, Christianity barely gets a look-in these days in the UK.
I would be very surprised to hear if Jenson Button or Lewis Hamilton prays, for example.
I'm pretty sure that Lewis is a Catholic...exactly how religous I'm not sure though.
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For every race Lewis wears a gold crucifix and recently commissioned a diamond-encrusted version. Few realise how much strength Lewis draws from his religion.
He explains: "My faith is important to me, I am a true believer, and I truly believe that I have been blessed. I always feel quite safe.
I always wear my cross. It was a gift from my mum and I like to wear it.
"I'm not into lucky charms or voodoo routines before a race. I just talk to my family and get into the dressing room, focus and get out there.
However looking at that, he is fairly religious.
From
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2...15875-20024022/
Phucaigh
Jul 28 2009, 17:14
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Hamilton said his religious beliefs had helped spur him to victory this season, claiming he prayed the night before every grand prix and then again a few minutes before the starting flag.
That was at the end of the 20o8 season for the record.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/dec/0...-lewis-hamilton
Where do you ground that Buemi is a Muslim? Alguersuari is Catalan, and therefore propably catholic. I don't think anyone of them is a Muslim.
scheivlak
Jul 28 2009, 22:44
QUOTE (jeze @ Jul 28 2009, 19:31)

Where do you ground that Buemi is a Muslim?
Could be that this rumour is based on the fact that he's a Bahrain resident:
http://www.auto123.com/en/racing-news/othe...in?artid=104353
shaggy
Jul 28 2009, 23:25
Nascar and CART have (had, in the latter) special programs that would allow religious drivers to have a Sunday service at the track (or close by) because it was difficult for the drivers to go to a specific Church on race day.
I think F1, being European, may have never thought of doing something like that.
shaggy
Senna was a devout Catholic, and so is Hamilton. Schumacher and Brundle are likely Catholics as well (I've seem them wear crosses). Frank Williams was given last rites after his near-fatal accident that left him paralyzed. Massa's mom is always holding Catholic beads when he's racing. Practically all Brazilians are Catholic. The Ferrari boys are all Catholic as well. From time to time they give Ferraris as gifts to the Pope for charity purposes.
Religiosity is quite high among professional athletes, probably more so than in the general population. If you follow boxing and MMA you'll notice that virtually all major fighters identify themselves as Christians of some sort. But that's getting off topic...
Dudley
Jul 29 2009, 08:00
They can't be proper catholics since they all work on Sundays.
Muz Bee
Jul 29 2009, 09:05
Indeed despite what people on the outer may think of F1 drivers, they tend not to be at the dimwit end of the human race.
There is plenty of evidence that many F1 drivers do indeed have a deep faith in a God, higher power, deity or whatever you would like to refer to faith as. The proximity to death tends to focus the mind about the unseen and the meaning to life. When drivers come together in solemn moments like we sometimes see there is a very healthy respect for each others views on things like an afterlife. Which is of course how the human race should behave all the time.
Phucaigh
Aug 3 2009, 12:25
Felipe Massa
Q. Do you want to thank anyone?
FM: "First of all I want to thank God. Then I want to thank the doctors at the race track and at Budapest's AEK hospital, who have done a lot for me, and Dino Altmann, who came with my family from Brazil and who was extraordinary over the last days. But I also want to thank everybody who prayed and who wrote to me via my own and Ferrari's website, hoping that everything went well.
"So many people wrote to me, also many who aren't interested in Formula 1, but had heard about what happened to me: thank you so much and I want to tell them that I'm praying also for them. I would have done the same if an accident had happened to another driver: I would have prayed for him that everything went well."
So for the original question in this topic, I guess they do have mass, service or whatever to cater for various religious needs of the drivers and team members but we hear nothing about it. It is clearly very important to a number of drivers.
Bouncing Pink Ball
Aug 3 2009, 12:49
I don't much care what the drivers worship, if anything. It's none of my business and I don't think it should be up to F1 organizers to cater specifically to any participant's faith other than to respect their right to have (or not have) one and allow them the time and space they need to observe whatever rituals they want (or don't want).
QUOTE (NSX-R @ Jul 29 2009, 01:26)

Schumacher and Brundle are likely catholics as well
I can confirm that Schumacher and Alesi are catholics. They visited the Pope back in 2000, and both kissed his hand.
scheivlak
Aug 3 2009, 20:30
QUOTE (Phil.J @ Jul 29 2009, 10:03)

I rather think that after last week's events most drivers would do well to pray to the Roman God Vulcan, the God of metal-workers!
His catholic 'counterpart' is Saint Eloy
http://www.magnificat.ca/cal/engl/12-01.htm
Snap Matt
Aug 4 2009, 08:48
QUOTE (jeze @ Aug 3 2009, 21:12)

I can confirm that Schumacher and Alesi are catholics. They visited the Pope back in 2000, and both kissed his hand.
They may well be, but could a Ferrari driver get away with not kissing the Pope's hand?
But seriously, religious beliefs of F1 drivers, interesting - hadn't considered it. I would have thought that to be a successful driver you would want to place your faith, such as it is, in the mechanics and engineers rather than some unworldly entity. I am not exactly au fait with non-western religions, but I don't think that turning the other cheek is a strategy that is going to get you much success on the track. It's a competitive environment where some will do whatever it takes to win. I also find it hard to reconcile someone not bearing false witness with Monaco 2006, Hungary 2007, and Australia 2009.
Phucaigh
Aug 4 2009, 11:17
QUOTE (Snap Matt @ Aug 4 2009, 09:48)

They may well be, but could a Ferrari driver get away with not kissing the Pope's hand?
It is the fisherman's ring they kiss, the ring is one of the two official seals of the papacy. If you meet he Pope and he offers you his hand, you shake hands if you are not a Catholic, if Catholic you kiss the ring in respect and recognition that he is the successor to St Peter.
Gilles4Ever
Aug 4 2009, 11:42
Keep the thread on topic.
Snap Matt
Aug 4 2009, 11:49
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Aug 4 2009, 12:17)

It is the fisherman's ring they kiss, the ring is one of the two official seals of the papacy. If you meet he Pope and he offers you his hand, you shake hands if you are not a Catholic, if Catholic you kiss the ring in respect and recognition that he is the successor to St Peter.
Ahhh, I didn't know there were different rules... I would have just copied whatever the person before had done and hoped they weren't a close personal friend...
Phucaigh
Aug 4 2009, 12:04
Ferrari have good contacts if they need a clergyman to say mass, Luca di Montezemolo's cousin is a cardinal based in St Paul's Basilica outside the walls in Rome, where St Paul is buried.
Lotusseven
Oct 30 2009, 22:43
Does anybody knows what symbol di Grassi got on his helmet. It looks like the star of David and an eagle, but what does it mean ?
Religion ?
postajegenye
Oct 30 2009, 22:48
QUOTE (Lotusseven @ Oct 30 2009, 23:43)

Does anybody knows what symbol di Grassi got on his helmet. It looks like the star of David and an eagle, but what does it mean ?
Religion ?

Once I read somewhere that Di Grassi was not religious. I remember because it was unusual, given that most other Brazilian drivers were believers.
Lotusseven
Oct 30 2009, 23:08
QUOTE (postajegenye @ Oct 30 2009, 23:48)

Once I read somewhere that Di Grassi was not religious. I remember because it was unusual, given that most other Brazilian drivers were believers.
Ok,thanks for the answer. I don“t think he got that symbol on his helmet any longer.
So you can be right.
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Jul 28 2009, 18:14)

I seem to remember Lewis also feeling sorry and apologizing for a transscript from a in car radio communications (or something) a few years ago. I'm not sure if he was apologizing/sorry because he had been misquoted as saying the F word, and wanted to let people now he felt bad about him being misquoted. Or if he had said the F word and apologized for saying it. This indicates a strong religious view (as swearing is generally not accepted in Christianity).
Galko877
Nov 2 2009, 10:15
QUOTE (MinT @ Jul 26 2009, 12:32)

If they were that religious they surely wouldnt be racing on a Sunday.....
Depends on what's their religion is. And the Bible doesn't say you have to rest on Sunday.
Galko877
Nov 2 2009, 10:19
QUOTE (NSX-R @ Jul 29 2009, 01:26)

Schumacher and Brundle are likely Catholics as well (I've seem them wear crosses).
Schumacher is christianed as a Chatolic but he said he doesn't go to Chrurch. He believes in God but "not in the way the (Catholic) church says". He also prays. That's what he said about his beliefs.
ArDeeEmm
Nov 2 2009, 10:22
QUOTE (Phucaigh @ Jul 26 2009, 08:55)

It is times like this when a driver has an accident that we sometimes see the religious side in F1, I mean some of the drivers are religious and from what I read the Massa family are a religious family.
At least half the drivers are Catholic, I just wonder how are the needs of the drivers catered for on a race weekend?
Do the religious people in teams attend local churches or is mass/service or whatever religious ceremony performed at the track to cater for them?
Another example of the religious side in F1 would be when Cristiano da Matta had his accident and some of the drivers and others gathered at the Toyota motorhome to pray for him.
This is an area we don't hear much about but a fair few of the drivers are religious, so what is the current situation when it comes to serving their religious needs?
The insidiousness of religion is bad enough as it is - thinking it has a right to stick it's nose in everywhere.
If individual drivers want to believe in a sky-daddy, that's their business, but it is certainly not the role of the FIA or any body to spunk their money on adults who still believe in faries.
Re. Catholicism - It is such a corrupt organisation that it claims anybody who has been "baptised" a catholic - with or without their consent - as one of their own. I know I was baptised as a kid (not catholic - methodist I think), but I certainly am not a member of their illogical belief system and don't believe in their "god". If I had been baptised a catholic they would list me as one of them, regardless of whether you renounce their silly induction procedure if not.
"Religion - Shit it", as Stephen Fry once said.
Captain Tightpants
Nov 2 2009, 10:33
QUOTE (potmotr @ Jul 28 2009, 22:54)

Apparently from the cockpit of a chap named Esteban Gutierrez.
Sounds like that Argentinian guy who drove for Minardi about a decade ago, Truero. He's so religious that he refuses to race with the numbers thirteen or seventeen because of their religious significance. I wonder if any Italian has driven car number seventeen before; seventeen in Latin is XVII, which is an anagram for VIXI, which translates as "I have seen" or "I have died". Seveteen is the Italian equivalent of the number thirteen; buildings in Italy often skip the seventeenth floor, Alitalia flights don't have a seat seventeen, and the Renault 17 was sold as the Renault 117.
True story.
QUOTE (Lotusseven @ Oct 31 2009, 09:43)

Does anybody knows what symbol di Grassi got on his helmet. It looks like the star of David and an eagle, but what does it mean ?
Religion ?
It could be anything. Sebastian Vettel has the crest of his home town on the front of his helmet, right in front of his mouth. Di Grassi's symbol actually looks like it could be a college or school or something.
QUOTE (ArDeeEmm @ Nov 2 2009, 11:22)

The insidiousness of religion is bad enough as it is - thinking it has a right to stick it's nose in everywhere.
If individual drivers want to believe in a sky-daddy, that's their business, but it is certainly not the role of the FIA or any body to spunk their money on adults who still believe in faries.
Re. Catholicism - It is such a corrupt organisation that it claims anybody who has been "baptised" a catholic - with or without their consent - as one of their own. I know I was baptised as a kid (not catholic - methodist I think), but I certainly am not a member of their illogical belief system and don't believe in their "god". If I had been baptised a catholic they would list me as one of them, regardless of whether you renounce their silly induction procedure if not.
"Religion - Shit it", as Stephen Fry once said.
Please keep on topic. There have been a couple of warnings from the admins allready. This post does not ask what your views on religion is.
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