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azarion
hi i have just finished making a 1/10 scale car out of wood . and i am after comments about how it looks . ( aerodynamics etc )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQjwah9ZIA . it took me 2 months to build in my garage , ive bean researching racecras since 92 , this is my first attempt at a full car model .
zac510
Looks good - i'm not too mad on the curvy wing though..
Powersteer
I don't like it.

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desmo
Doesn't really look like there's any room for the suspension to work, which would surely suck for a roadcar.

I don't really get most "supercars" which seem to have all the downsides of racing cars for the street with none of the engineering cachet of a car developed in a highly competitive environment like a real racing car. If it's trying to be a quasi-racing car the bodywork should perhaps be solely developed in a wind tunnel or at least CFD, if that's all the budget allows with no concessions whatever to style. That'd frankly be more in the spirit of the exercise and closer to "authentic" I'd think. Or more likely I'm missing the point.
Greg Locock
QUOTE (desmo @ Aug 11 2009, 08:41) *
Doesn't really look like there's any room for the suspension to work, which would surely suck for a roadcar.

I don't really get most "supercars" which seem to have all the downsides of racing cars for the street with none of the engineering cachet of a car developed in a highly competitive environment like a real racing car. If it's trying to be a quasi-racing car the bodywork should perhaps be solely developed in a wind tunnel or at least CFD, if that's all the budget allows with no concessions whatever to style. That'd frankly be more in the spirit of the exercise and closer to "authentic" I'd think. Or more likely I'm missing the point.

Supercars and clubmans are the easiest cars to design, the trouble with supercars is that all the pretty bodywork is supposed to actually do something.
gruntguru
Nice tunnel.

Does/will it work?
azarion
QUOTE (zac510 @ Aug 10 2009, 21:19) *
Looks good - i'm not too mad on the curvy wing though..

hi thanks for the reply , ive started my next one , the wing is made so it does not create drag , its low and shaped so its a highspeed stabillity wing , its curved so it sits down in to that carved out area where a high presure area is less drag , more effective downforce.
Supercar
The top of the front fender in the video at the 1:10 point is slanted in the wrong direction. To minimize the fender height it should lean the other way, towards the inside of the car.
http://supergt.net/supergt/2009/09gallery/...ry.htm?0901012#

And that rounded rear fender at 1:05 without a definite edge of flow separation would create a massive drag.
azarion
QUOTE (Supercar @ Aug 24 2009, 18:43) *
The top of the front fender in the video at the 1:10 point is slanted in the wrong direction. To minimize the fender height it should lean the other way, towards the inside of the car.
http://supergt.net/supergt/2009/09gallery/...ry.htm?0901012#

And that rounded rear fender at 1:05 without a definite edge of flow separation would create a massive drag.


hi thanks for the reply , the idea i had for the front fenders , was to similate the old school canam cars , witch had verticle fences on the out side of the car body , containing the air flow with in the car (just like end plates on a std wing ) the fender is all so shaped like a ventury , the high walls contain the air , and the shape compresses inbetween the fenders , then expands at a greater rate ounce past the fenders , assisting the flow rate around the cockpit area , the same idea was put into the rear fenders as well , the whole idea for the rear of the car was to have all areas of the air flow hook up to reduce drag , you can see the top of the car matches the bottom of the car - just like the end of a wing section , the rear bumper profile ,was intending to pull the airflow from the sides to meet up with middle airsteam of the car , if you look carfully at the new LM1 lemans cars , they have a similer shape , it is a road car , and not a LM1 prototype , but no one has put this technology from these cars into a supercar , this technology is better suted then F1 tech , so that was my aim for the design , i cant thank you enogh for your comments , ive had a few like yours that have made me think , cheers
azarion
QUOTE (Powersteer @ Aug 11 2009, 07:38) *
I don't like it.

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thats all good anychance of a comment about why you dont ?
cheapracer
Because his Dad wouldn't buy him a puppy when he was a kid.

I don't like it because it's boring, theres 50 others like it and it smells of that Mitsubishi speed 24 hour record car from about 20 - 30 years ago (thats how fresh this design isn't). I have never liked skirted cars, especially behind the rear wheels.

If it makes you happy thats great.
azarion
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Aug 24 2009, 22:17) *
Because his Dad wouldn't buy him a puppy when he was a kid.

I don't like it because it's boring, theres 50 others like it and it smells of that Mitsubishi speed 24 hour record car from about 20 - 30 years ago (thats how fresh this design isn't). I have never liked skirted cars, especially behind the rear wheels.

If it makes you happy thats great.

what is your problem ? ( dad-puppy-kid ) , any way , what car are you talking about ? mitsubishi speed ? do you have a picture , i have not heard of a mitsubishi supercar from the 1970 's ?
Slowinfastout
First thing I thought is that it looked a bit 'generic', like a Noble... after confirmation it kinda didn't, but still..

robroy
Nice work.
I really really like the front view including the way those front arches curve. Quite an original looking front view and well proportioned although the upper lip above the intake looks a little thick to me and I don't like the 'bump' in the middle.
From the side, I'd say the scoop could do with being longer and lower. The bodywork could be lower here and I think the wheelbase looks a little long (but then I think that with all supercars). Also the height of bodywork above the wheels has to be wafer thin for me - so I'd say not too bad on the front but could be much thinner on the rear.
The rear I'm not too hot with. I'd like to see the rear arches taper off into a thin vertical strip with the diffuser widened and the rear 'opening' to be much narrower with the bodywork brought down. Quite like the central strip down the car.
Good luck!
azarion
QUOTE (Slowinfastout @ Aug 25 2009, 08:23) *
First thing I thought is that it looked a bit 'generic', like a Noble... after confirmation it kinda didn't, but still..


cheers for that . i do see what you mean about the noble , (the cockpit , maybe the nose) , the whole car has a aero aspec to it , if you put anycar through a similer aspec they will look similer , i was lokking for a lemans inspiered road car , everyone is focused on F1 , leamns style is where it should be , for supercars , thanks again
azarion
QUOTE (robroy @ Aug 25 2009, 09:32) *
Nice work.
I really really like the front view including the way those front arches curve. Quite an original looking front view and well proportioned although the upper lip above the intake looks a little thick to me and I don't like the 'bump' in the middle.
From the side, I'd say the scoop could do with being longer and lower. The bodywork could be lower here and I think the wheelbase looks a little long (but then I think that with all supercars). Also the height of bodywork above the wheels has to be wafer thin for me - so I'd say not too bad on the front but could be much thinner on the rear.
The rear I'm not too hot with. I'd like to see the rear arches taper off into a thin vertical strip with the diffuser widened and the rear 'opening' to be much narrower with the bodywork brought down. Quite like the central strip down the car.
Good luck!

your comments are realy good , ive started another one , this time its going to have no restrictions , i held back a lot on the azarion car , i dont like artsy fartsy styling cars , like the enzo , but i like the FXX enzo , every part has to have a reseaon if not its not on the car , and the shape has to work for the car , not just look good , cheers
Canuck
Probably the most dedicated, all-purpose supercar (or disguised race car) that I'm aware of is the Gumpert. People say it's hideous (for a supercar) but I've always kinda liked it. Then again, maybe it's not ugly because of function over form - maybe it's the designer biggrin.gif
http://www.gumpert.de/eng/index_html.html
azarion
QUOTE (Canuck @ Aug 25 2009, 15:34) *
Probably the most dedicated, all-purpose supercar (or disguised race car) that I'm aware of is the Gumpert. People say it's hideous (for a supercar) but I've always kinda liked it. Then again, maybe it's not ugly because of function over form - maybe it's the designer biggrin.gif
http://www.gumpert.de/eng/index_html.html

yes i do like the gumpert , form and function , that would be a car that i would be in compition with , and the zonda f as well , wait till you see my next one ,
cheapracer
QUOTE (azarion @ Aug 25 2009, 03:56) *
what is your problem ? ( dad-puppy-kid ) , any way , what car are you talking about ? mitsubishi speed ? do you have a picture , i have not heard of a mitsubishi supercar from the 1970 's ?


I don't have any problems matey, you asked for opinions you get them - if your a sensitive type don't ask.

I said 20 - 30 years ago which goes from about 1990 to 1980 if my math teacher was right.

Not a supercar per say, it was a Mitsubishi endurance record breaking car (24 hours on a banked track etc), may have been a non petrol car too possibly - can't remember. It has the awful skirts all the way around the car similar to the ones at the rear of yours.


cheapracer
You may enjoy this site.

http://www.diseno-art.com/
azarion
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Aug 25 2009, 19:26) *
You may enjoy this site.

http://www.diseno-art.com/

sweet as mate that site looks good ,
cheapracer
QUOTE (azarion @ Aug 25 2009, 17:24) *
sweet as mate that site looks good ,


You can spend hours there and you would like here as well but you need to register (simple email process) -

http://www.productdesignforums.com/

You don't have to look far to find cars, probably 20% of the designs.

Enjoy wave.gif
Powersteer
QUOTE (azarion @ Aug 23 2009, 23:32) *
thats all good anychance of a comment about why you dont ?

It seems like just another racecar for the road although the menacing headlight is cool but the round bit off the nose is a no no.

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azarion
QUOTE (Powersteer @ Aug 26 2009, 06:41) *
It seems like just another racecar for the road although the menacing headlight is cool but the round bit off the nose is a no no.

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cheers for that , haha that small bump at the front was a small mistake , the internal shaping i did came ford to far , if i sanded it out i would of made the leading profile of the internal shape, to square , opps , cheers for your comment ,
saudoso
First of all congratulations on finishing it. I can't tell how many times I started such endeavours and got lost redesigning stuff to the point of giving up. Never got even a nice 3D model done right.

I have two comments:

I don't like the F40 front. IE, the cut out, leaning outside fender line. I took some time to figure out what was bothering me, and that's it.

And the hole on the door does not make much sense. You can add some kind of naca duct or cutout like that to either remove air from the front wheel fairing (hole close to the wheel front wheel, getting shallow backwards) or to feed the engine ( hole somewhere mid way between the door and the hear wheel opening, getting shallow forward). I can't tell what you have there. But I don't think what you have there would work either way.
azarion
QUOTE (saudoso @ Aug 26 2009, 11:14) *
First of all congratulations on finishing it. I can't tell how many times I started such endeavours and got lost redesigning stuff to the point of giving up. Never got even a nice 3D model done right.

I have two comments:

I don't like the F40 front. IE, the cut out, leaning outside fender line. I took some time to figure out what was bothering me, and that's it.

And the hole on the door does not make much sense. You can add some kind of naca duct or cutout like that to either remove air from the front wheel fairing (hole close to the wheel front wheel, getting shallow backwards) or to feed the engine ( hole somewhere mid way between the door and the hear wheel opening, getting shallow forward). I can't tell what you have there. But I don't think what you have there would work either way.

cheers for that , the car follows LM1 cars , i crafted it like i was drawing the car , it took 168 hours to make , long nights , and a frustrated girlfrend , its my first attemt , know im on to my next car , this time no restritions , stoned.gif
cheapracer
Again another site you should spend hours pouring through....

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/

oh and for others, not just cars - ships, planes, military, weapons etc.
azarion
QUOTE (cheapracer @ Aug 26 2009, 17:39) *
Again another site you should spend hours pouring through....

http://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints/cars/

oh and for others, not just cars - ships, planes, military, weapons etc.

that was good , im getting a lot of research for my next model . cheers
saudoso


Here is what I meant about the door openings, you either extract air from the front wheel box or feed the engine.
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