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Slartibartfast
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Aug 23 2009, 16:29) *
Yay he bit clap.gif



Yes, but is the line strong enough to land this monster?
fnz
QUOTE (pRy @ Aug 24 2009, 11:58) *
Perhaps thats how Whitmarsh knows for sure that Alonso is going to Ferrari, maybe they tried to re-sign him for 2010.


hehe might just be like that roflmao.gif
Tomerell
QUOTE (pRy @ Aug 24 2009, 12:58) *
Perhaps thats how Whitmarsh knows for sure that Alonso is going to Ferrari, maybe they tried to re-sign him for 2010.


Or maybe he is just dreaming that Alonso would go there to mess things up for 2010 tongue.gif
kryziuotis
QUOTE (Rinehart @ Aug 24 2009, 14:46) *
The big difference remains that Lewis wanted equal treatment, whereas Alonso wanted preferential treatment. That says it all in my book.


Yeah right, we can clearly see what kind of "equal" treatment Lewis wants looking at him vs Heiki this and last year.
Arion
QUOTE (kryziuotis @ Aug 27 2009, 08:49) *
Yeah right, we can clearly see what kind of "equal" treatment Lewis wants looking at him vs Heiki this and last year.


we can also clear see what kind of "equal" treatment Fred wants by looking at him vs Piquet at Renault tongue.gif

as65p
QUOTE (Arion @ Aug 27 2009, 11:19) *
we can also clear see what kind of "equal" treatment Fred wants by looking at him vs Piquet at Renault tongue.gif


Both at McLaren and Renault the team hierarchy in the last two years has been kind of self-regulating and neither LH nor FA seem to have a problem with that. What a surprise... drunk.gif

I'd really like both of them to be forced into a truly competitive environment once again. If Alonso goes to Ferrari there's some chance of that happening - as long as Hamilton stays at McLaren, no way.
Orin
Funnily enough, Whitmarsh admitting regret over Alonso's loss scuppers the notion that McLaren saw Lewis' performances and switched focus from the Spaniard. Oops.
Arion
QUOTE (as65p @ Aug 27 2009, 09:34) *
Both at McLaren and Renault the team hierarchy in the last two years has been kind of self-regulating and neither LH nor FA seem to have a problem with that. What a surprise... drunk.gif

I'd really like both of them to be forced into a truly competitive environment once again. If Alonso goes to Ferrari there's some chance of that happening - as long as Hamilton stays at McLaren, no way.


I'd love to see that too. But it won't happen, let's say McLaren has a slump and Hamilton wants to move to Ferrari, either Alonso would block him or Ferrari would think it's too risky, too much drama. People think it's all about management, but I disagree. You will never find a management style or create an environment both Alonso and Hamilton find "fair".

as65p
QUOTE (Orin @ Aug 27 2009, 11:46) *
Funnily enough, Whitmarsh admitting regret over Alonso's loss scuppers the notion that McLaren saw Lewis' performances and switched focus from the Spaniard. Oops.


Another exercise in creative thinking (to use a positive term). tongue.gif

I can do that too, you know. How about Whitmarshs words indicating that they made a mistake in switching focus to Lewis?

Funny indeed...
Orin
QUOTE (as65p @ Aug 27 2009, 10:51) *
Another exercise in creative thinking (to use a positive term). tongue.gif

I can do that too, you know. How about Whitmarshs words indicating that they made a mistake in switching focus to Lewis?

Funny indeed...


Hmm... but we know that McLaren is very happy with Hamilton. Whereas, amongst certain sections of Alonso's fanbase, there was the belief that McLaren lost interest in Alonso once Hamilton had proved his worth... well, it appears not. Nice to know that Whitmarsh doesn't hold being beaten by a rookie against him, though. smoking.gif
as65p
QUOTE (Arion @ Aug 27 2009, 11:50) *
I'd love to see that too. But it won't happen, let's say McLaren has a slump and Hamilton wants to move to Ferrari, either Alonso would block him or Ferrari would think it's too risky, too much drama. People think it's all about management, but I disagree. You will never find a management style or create an environment both Alonso and Hamilton find "fair".


That's probably true, but one can still dream...wink.gif
as65p
QUOTE (Orin @ Aug 27 2009, 11:55) *
Hmm... but we know that McLaren is very happy with Hamilton. Whereas, amongst certain sections of Alonso's fanbase, there was the belief that McLaren lost interest in Alonso once Hamilton had proved his worth... well, it appears not. Nice to know that Whitmarsh doesn't hold being beaten by a rookie against him, though. smoking.gif


Oh that last one is easy to explain... I guess MW has a more realistic definition of "beating" than Lewis' fans biggrin.gif

Of course McLaren creates the impression to be more than happy with Lewis. Makes you wonder even more why Whitmarsh felt the need to make his statements, doesn't it?
Arion
QUOTE (as65p @ Aug 27 2009, 10:00) *
Oh that last one is easy to explain... I guess MW has a more realistic definition of "beating" than Lewis' fans biggrin.gif

Of course McLaren creates the impression to be more than happy with Lewis. Makes you wonder even more why Whitmarsh felt the need to make his statements, doesn't it?


McLaren is more happy with Lewis because Lewis is more happy with the team than Alonso was. Whitmarsh is saying quite a lot of things he really doesn't need to say.
Anyway, LH and FA are now considered the top 2, it's not that surprising for a TP to muse over the scenario of having them both in the team (Ron had them in the same team, not Whitmarsh, I think that's why he's saying it.)
MaxFan1
With Ron gone, I don't think McLaren will ever have to super star drivers in the same team. McLaren has had a rich history of two fast drivers, but it has cost them.
Orin
QUOTE (as65p @ Aug 27 2009, 11:00) *
Oh that last one is easy to explain... I guess MW has a more realistic definition of "beating" than Lewis' fans biggrin.gif


Higher in the table is all that matters. wink.gif

QUOTE (as65p @ Aug 27 2009, 11:00) *
Of course McLaren creates the impression to be more than happy with Lewis. Makes you wonder even more why Whitmarsh felt the need to make his statements, doesn't it?


He made them in Valencia on Saturday. There was less booing this year on the Sunday, something tells me that such palliative statements will be made before the Spanish GP for several more years. wave.gif
ItisI
QUOTE (as65p @ Aug 27 2009, 09:34) *
Both at McLaren and Renault the team hierarchy in the last two years has been kind of self-regulating and neither LH nor FA seem to have a problem with that. What a surprise... drunk.gif

I'd really like both of them to be forced into a truly competitive environment once again. If Alonso goes to Ferrari there's some chance of that happening - as long as Hamilton stays at McLaren, no way.


With this kind of utterances its quit obvious you dont follow F1 that long, McLaren always gives its drivers all oppertunities as off the start off a new season, thats never been different. And to the 2 teams you mention as 'forced into a truly competitive environment'? You can Ferrari too to these 2, heck, you can even add Ferrari as the master and McLaren and Renault as his students.
ItisI
QUOTE (as65p @ Aug 27 2009, 10:00) *
Oh that last one is easy to explain... I guess MW has a more realistic definition of "beating" than Lewis' fans biggrin.gif

Of course McLaren creates the impression to be more than happy with Lewis. Makes you wonder even more why Whitmarsh felt the need to make his statements, doesn't it?


Can i remind you;
Lewis as a rookie driver ended with as much points as someone, Alonso in this case, who had 6 years off experience with 2 WDC's ... Makes me wonder indeed why MW would say such thing smile.gif
Orin
It's not that I disbelieve Whitmarsh, quite the contrary - I just think there's a perfectly sound reason for 'baring his soul' regarding Alonso on the run up to the GP in *Valencia*.

And now, as we're both on the same page (believing Whitmarsh) I hope we can further agree that McLaren didn't seek to compromise Alonso in 2007, they just couldn't accede to his demands (#1 status). The demons in the Spaniard's head took care of the rest.
Arion
QUOTE (MaxFan1 @ Aug 27 2009, 10:17) *
With Ron gone, I don't think McLaren will ever have to super star drivers in the same team. McLaren has had a rich history of two fast drivers, but it has cost them.


The super star teammate rivalries are considered to be part of Ron's legacy. The funny thing is, in both cases of AS vs AP and LH vs FA, he didn't intentionally create some greatly entertaining intra team rivalry, they sort of just happened to Ron. He never expected either pair to be so closely matched.

MichaelPM
QUOTE (Orin @ Aug 27 2009, 11:43) *
It's not that I disbelieve Whitmarsh, quite the contrary - I just think there's a perfectly sound reason for 'baring his soul' regarding Alonso on the run up to the GP in *Valencia*.

And now, as we're both on the same page (believing Whitmarsh) I hope we can further agree that McLaren didn't seek to compromise Alonso in 2007, they just couldn't accede to his demands (#1 status). The demons in the Spaniard's head took care of the rest.

So now we are on the same page that McLaren staff will lie about Alonso being a massive lose just because of the upcoming Valencia GP, we can also agree that they are then capable of saying he demanded #1 status when he was just trying to stop them from compromising his season for their more markitable and national driver.
Orin
QUOTE (MichaelPM @ Aug 27 2009, 12:19) *
So now we are on the same page that McLaren staff will lie about Alonso being a massive lose just because of the upcoming Valencia GP...


Tell me you did that on purpose... rolleyes.gif
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