barteks
Aug 22 2009, 12:40
What do you think?
lokiman
Aug 22 2009, 12:41
Yes, he's not quick, but I see no evidence of him being unsafe.
Kop Alonso
Aug 22 2009, 12:45
There is no reason why they should take his licence away ...
potmotr
Aug 22 2009, 12:47
Ridiculous thread.
Of course they should.
Jean-Denis Deletraz was so slow in qualifying for the 1995 Portuguese Grand Prix that he would have qualified near the back of the F3000 support race.
Stewards did nothing then.
barteks
Aug 22 2009, 12:50
He will be lapped after 15 laps of the race.
Dragonfly
Aug 22 2009, 12:51
Better question is should Ferrari allow him to race. They could call an young guy like Grosjean.
potmotr
Aug 22 2009, 12:51
QUOTE (barteks @ Aug 22 2009, 13:50)

He will be lapped after 15 laps of the race.
So what?
It was only a decade ago that cars were regularly lapped four or five times a race.
Big deal.
Captain Tightpants
Aug 22 2009, 12:56
QUOTE (Dragonfly @ Aug 22 2009, 22:51)

Better question is should Ferrari allow him to race. They could call an young guy like Grosjean.
Except that he drives for Renault and if a driver doesn't qualify a car, he cannot race it. That's why no-one filled in for Massa in Hungary.
Dragonfly
Aug 22 2009, 13:07
QUOTE (Captain Tightpants @ Aug 22 2009, 15:56)

Except that he drives for Renault and if a driver doesn't qualify a car, he cannot race it. That's why no-one filled in for Massa in Hungary.
Did you really read what I wrote?
He's within 3 % of the pace, and back in 1998 they often let drivers balancing on 7% of the pace to race. Due to his KERS, he'll be a mobile chicane at the back of the grid tomorrow, though...
QUOTE (Dragonfly @ Aug 22 2009, 13:51)

Better question is should Ferrari allow him to race. They could call an young guy like Grosjean.
come on do you understand F1 at all?
Once a driver starts Q1 no driver can replace that driver in that race.
He was within the 107% rule and therefore is allowed to race.
The rest is BS we know he is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
but lets see what he does in the race.
Far too many people seam to want to write of people BEFORE they have even raced.
Granted if i was Ferrari i would be very worried as if they replace him then they are locked into only being able to use the drivers they have already used due to the 4 different drivers per season rule.
Schumacher Forever
Aug 22 2009, 13:21
Order Ferrari to replace him with Schumacher to stop this travesty.
stevvy1986
Aug 22 2009, 13:23
QUOTE (Demo. @ Aug 22 2009, 14:20)

He was within the 107% rule and therefore is allowed to race.
The 107% rule hasn't been in F1 for donkeys years, ever since they moved from the '1 hour 12 laps' session
Francesc
Aug 22 2009, 13:25
Yes, they should allow him to race, but just for some fun for the fans watching him go so slowly
primer
Aug 22 2009, 13:25
QUOTE (Schumacher Forever @ Aug 22 2009, 18:51)

Order Ferrari to replace him with Schumacher to stop this travesty.
It doesn't have to be Schumacher. Any GP2 level driver should make a good candidate, and Ferrari would get an opportunity to test a future talent, unlike people like Badoer and Schumacher who are slow, retired oldies.
wewantourdarbyback
Aug 22 2009, 13:28
QUOTE (Schumacher Forever @ Aug 22 2009, 14:21)

Order Ferrari to replace him with Schumacher to stop this travesty.
Order them to replace him with Schumi?
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My feelings say he will create a colliosion or crash tomorrow.
derstatic
Aug 22 2009, 13:51
Think 107% rule has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. It's no more for one thing, but also, drivers who were balancing on the line were doing so largely because of a bad car. Sure Yoong was a disaster, but this is a guy who's 2.5 seconds off his own teammate. It's not the same thing. This was a terrible performance by any standard.
Andy35
Aug 22 2009, 13:53
I'm sorry but I am jumping off this bash Badoer bandwagon now.
This poll is, quite frankly, stupid.
Regards
Andy
Seanspeed
Aug 22 2009, 13:55
Typical knee-jerk overreaction.
I wonder what the 13 small minded people will be saying if a miracle happens and he ends up ahead of Kimi tomorrow?
stevvy1986
Aug 22 2009, 14:03
I think you (and everyone else) knows that'll only happen if Kimi either retires, or has some sort of major problem (eg being hit and having to pit for repairs). The chances of Badoer being ahead of Kimi in normal circumstances tomorrow (ie no lucky safety car eg Piquet in Germany last year, no problems for Kimi, etc) are basically slim to nil at best.
billm99uk
Aug 22 2009, 14:08
QUOTE (Demo. @ Aug 22 2009, 15:01)

I wonder what the 13 small minded people will be saying if a miracle happens and he ends up ahead of Kimi tomorrow?
"There is a God, and he is Italian"
QUOTE (stevvy1986 @ Aug 22 2009, 15:03)

I think you (and everyone else) knows that'll only happen if Kimi either retires, or has some sort of major problem (eg being hit and having to pit for repairs). The chances of Badoer being ahead of Kimi in normal circumstances tomorrow (ie no lucky safety car eg Piquet in Germany last year, no problems for Kimi, etc) are basically slim to nil at best.
hence the reason i said miracle but i notice you dont add the option of kimi hitting anyone (read that as Force India yet again) or the pit crew screwing up or kimi hitting the wall etc etc etc could you be slightly biased?
stevvy1986
Aug 22 2009, 14:23
QUOTE (Demo. @ Aug 22 2009, 15:12)

hence the reason i said miracle but i notice you dont add the option of kimi hitting anyone (read that as Force India yet again) or the pit crew screwing up or kimi hitting the wall etc etc etc could you be slightly biased?
I mentioned him retiring or having some sort of major problem. I wasn't going to go through all the possible options, because they're endless
giacomo
Aug 22 2009, 14:54
QUOTE (Demo. @ Aug 22 2009, 16:01)

I wonder what the 13 small minded people will be saying if a miracle happens and he ends up ahead of Kimi tomorrow?
That's easy to predict.
Remember, Schumacher is at the Valencia pitwall...
Atreiu
Aug 22 2009, 14:59
QUOTE (lokiman @ Aug 22 2009, 09:41)

Yes, he's not quick, but I see no evidence of him being unsafe.
klover
Aug 22 2009, 15:10
QUOTE (Schumacher Forever @ Aug 22 2009, 14:21)

Order Ferrari to replace him with Schumacher to stop this travesty.
I think MS realised he would be just as slow and wisely pulled out.
giacomo
Aug 22 2009, 15:28
QUOTE (Schumacher Forever @ Aug 22 2009, 15:21)

Order Ferrari to replace him with Schumacher to stop this travesty.
Do you understand the meaning of the term 'unfit'?
After all we know, Schumacher in his current state might have been even less competitive than Badoer.
Dragonfly
Aug 22 2009, 17:17
QUOTE (Demo. @ Aug 22 2009, 16:20)

QUOTE (Dragonfly @ Aug 22 2009, 15:51)

Better question is should Ferrari allow him to race. They could call an young guy like Grosjean.
come on do you understand F1 at all?
Once a driver starts Q1 no driver can replace that driver in that race.
He was within the 107% rule and therefore is allowed to race.
The rest is BS we know he is sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooow.
but lets see what he does in the race.
Far too many people seam to want to write of people BEFORE they have even raced.
Granted if i was Ferrari i would be very worried as if they replace him then they are locked into only being able to use the drivers they have already used due to the 4 different drivers per season rule.
No I don't understand F1. I don't even have internet
But for sure you and the man with the tight pants do not like reading while at the same time are suffering from logorhea.
wewantourdarbyback
Aug 22 2009, 17:18
Ahem... what 107% rule exactly?
stevvy1986
Aug 22 2009, 17:28
QUOTE (wewantourdarbyback @ Aug 22 2009, 18:18)

Ahem... what 107% rule exactly?
Exactly, from memory that rule went out of the window when they moved from the 1 hour 12 laps session. It's not been in the rulebook for over 5 years.
MegaManson
Aug 22 2009, 17:43
He is not a threat to safety but is a severe threat to Ferrari's image
He should be allowed to race as a one off
Schumacher Forever
Aug 22 2009, 18:49
QUOTE (giacomo @ Aug 22 2009, 08:28)

Do you understand the meaning of the term 'unfit'?
Sorry, but I have a recent picture of Schumi shirtless as my wallpaper and the man in that picture is not 'unfit'.
F1 Tor.
Aug 22 2009, 23:44
to answer the question, I see no reason why he shouldn't race. we'll see how the race goes and how he conducts himself but so far he hasn't been reckless, just slow. Ferrari made their choice within the 'family', now they must live with it, be it for one race or whatever. could be a very long day indeed.
stevewf1
Aug 23 2009, 00:25
QUOTE (Schumacher Forever @ Aug 22 2009, 14:49)

Sorry, but I have a recent picture of Schumi shirtless as my wallpaper and the man in that picture is not 'unfit'.
From what I understand, Shumacher has still some cracks in vertebra in his neck and a slight
basal skull fracture. That could be very serious if he should get a hard bump like hitting a tire wall sideways. So, he may not be "unfit", but he is certainly not fit to risk any more injuries.
barteks
Aug 23 2009, 14:49
OK, it's official. Ferrari's choice was a joke!
Badoer should lose his superlicence ASAP...
wewantourdarbyback
Aug 23 2009, 14:50
QUOTE (Schumacher Forever @ Aug 22 2009, 19:49)

Sorry, but I have a recent picture of Schumi shirtless as my wallpaper and the man in that picture is not 'unfit'.

Knew it all along.
rileyl
Aug 23 2009, 14:54
In fact, Badoer looks so amature during the race! Ferrari should replace him!
Anomnader
Aug 23 2009, 14:56
I don't think its good for F1, Ferrari and other drivers to have someone like him trundling around especially when there is better options available, there is 2 ex-F1 drivers from this season, several ex-drivers from last year, and some good GP2 drivers, they need to change him now.
F1 Tor.
Aug 23 2009, 15:18
QUOTE (Anomnader @ Aug 23 2009, 14:56)

I don't think its good for F1, Ferrari and other drivers to have someone like him trundling around especially when there is better options available, there is 2 ex-F1 drivers from this season, several ex-drivers from last year, and some good GP2 drivers, they need to change him now.
I would have to agree. He just doesn't have the pace and there are numerous choices that would be better. As Brundle pointed out, give a young guy a chance to possibly find a future star.
Tolyngee
Aug 23 2009, 15:25
QUOTE (F1 Tor. @ Aug 23 2009, 16:18)

I would have to agree. He just doesn't have the pace and there are numerous choices that would be better. As Brundle pointed out, give a young guy a chance to possibly find a future star.
Not that it helped Badoer at all, but because of the testing bans, isn't he the only one besides Kimi and Massa that actually have any experience in the 2009 Ferrari?
Although I admit Grosjean had a better day, so maybe there's no excuse for Badoer...
Kooper
Aug 23 2009, 15:28
QUOTE (Tolyngee @ Aug 23 2009, 10:25)

Not that it helped Badoer at all, but because of the testing bans, isn't he the only one besides Kimi and Massa that actually have any experience in the 2009 Ferrari?
Although I admit Grosjean had a better day, so maybe there's no excuse for Badoer...
Luca hasn't actually driven the F60 in 10 months. What really hurt his performance was the fact he hasn't raced in 10 years.
Tolyngee
Aug 23 2009, 15:33
QUOTE (Kooper @ Aug 23 2009, 16:28)

Luca hasn't actually driven the F60 in 10 months. What really hurt his performance was the fact he hasn't raced in 10 years.
But you'd think that's better than what some have suggested: get a driver with zero experience in F1 and zero experience even of the car a shot?
Although the teams can only blame themselves, but this absolute testing ban obviously never took into account a driver injury... Not sure why, it's certainly not an unheard of situation...
JarnoA
Aug 23 2009, 17:19
QUOTE (Kooper @ Aug 23 2009, 16:28)

Luca hasn't actually driven the F60 in 10 months. What really hurt his performance was the fact he hasn't raced in 10 years.
In Friday TEST, the TEST driver was 3 seconds off the pace. Back when test drivers used to do Friday testing, wurz and pedro used to do pretty well.
Badoer is just basically bad in test, quali and race.
I feel sorry for him, and Ferrari are in a scrap for 3rd place with Toyota, Williams, McLaren and Renault.
Luca will ensure they finish below all of the above.
Piquet, Gene, Bourdais, anyone will help their 3rd place a target. Hell, I reckon I could go as fast as badoer.
Badoer needs to be replaced ASAP.
Muz Bee
Aug 24 2009, 00:19
Is this thread going to be renamed ".........Spa" ? From Ferrari's point of view they are being challenged by McLaren now for 3rd in WCC. If position in WCC counts for anything then they should get Bourdais or Piquet ASAP. Also they need a number 2 driver to help provide useful data for Kimi. This isn't likely if your pace is so slow the tyres are capable of lasting twice as long....
From an official point of view Badoer should be prevented from racing next week because he is so slow and clearly lacks confidence which is dangerous in a race.
barteks
Aug 24 2009, 08:27
Well, crashing the car in parc ferme should automatically mean "no superlicence" and I will stick to such opinion.
Henrik B
Aug 24 2009, 13:18
His slowness aside, since this thread atleast to the name deals with FIA:s stance, he:
- Broke speed limit four times in practice
- Spun twice (that I saw) in the race
- weaved in pitlane
- crossed the white exit line
- hit Sutil in parc ferme
Did I miss anything? I don't think that's a good record, and if the superlicense wasn't a formality these days such behaviour should call for an investigation. I think Ide did less to deserve his forced holiday. He's making potentially dangerous decisions on track (and in pitlane!).
Zarathustra
Aug 24 2009, 13:27
QUOTE (barteks @ Aug 24 2009, 09:27)

Well, crashing the car in parc ferme should automatically mean "no superlicence" and I will stick to such opinion.
Without having seen the incident first hand, I think it shows that the guy isn't fully in control of the car and is as such a danger to himself and others.
CONOSUR
Aug 24 2009, 15:03
QUOTE
Should stewards allow Badoer to race?
What a silly question. The stewards have no say regarding a team's drivers.
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